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Title: Another fire victim
Post by: BU07 LGO on December 07, 2013, 02:59:54 PM
Just seen this picture someone uploaded on Facebook, not sure where it is but ill try to find out

Its definitely a Perry Barr Gemini

(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1316.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft615%2Fgotmaxpower1enviro000000%2Fgem_zps9322dea2.jpg&hash=95b19fc11788ec79d7ba4d513f9c7ebeba2150a7) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/gotmaxpower1enviro000000/media/gem_zps9322dea2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: BU07 LGO on December 07, 2013, 03:04:25 PM
Id have said either Witton Lodge road area (7/65 route)
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Rob H on December 07, 2013, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 07, 2013, 03:04:25 PM
Id have said either Witton Lodge road area (7/65 route)

Same here :) looks like it was on the 7
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: John on December 07, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
Its at the Crossways, junction of College Road/Hawthorn Road. Will have been on the 7 (It will turn left at the road behind the railings, the 28 continues down Short Heath Road in front of the bus)

That one is more than likely arson
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: BU07 LGO on December 07, 2013, 03:35:29 PM
Yeah I think your right john, shame as it had just been refurbished whichever one it is.

Not far from where the b7 alx lost its roof either
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: winston on December 07, 2013, 03:37:48 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 07, 2013, 03:35:29 PM
Yeah I think your right john, shame as it had just been refurbished whichever one it is.

Not far from where the b7 alx lost its roof either

It looks distinctly more like an arson attack, with the fire started on the rear top deck. The engine compartment looks to be unaffected
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Ex BC driver on December 07, 2013, 03:49:47 PM
There's a picture on the Birmingham Updates Facebook page, looks like it's 4502 on the 7
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: notepanel on December 07, 2013, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 07, 2013, 03:49:47 PM
There's a picture on the Birmingham Updates Facebook page, looks like it's 4502 on the 7

Also on Twitter from Perry Barr Fire Station https://twitter.com/ade6593/status/409336209358352385

Additionally, it is confirmed as being treated as Arson on the BBC Birmingham 'local live' feed.
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: John on December 07, 2013, 05:39:33 PM
Its also lucky that Perry Barr Fire Station is right over the road from this location (behind the photographer), or it might have been a whole lot worse.

4777 is also off the road, looks like it has a small engine fire, dumped at the back of the garage earlier this week
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: CL on December 07, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
Would it be likely for 4502 to return to service? Or even if it might be repaired?
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Kevin on December 07, 2013, 08:34:38 PM
Quote from: John on December 07, 2013, 05:39:33 PM
Its also lucky that Perry Barr Fire Station is right over the road from this location (behind the photographer), or it might have been a whole lot worse.

Very lucky indeed, did wonder that when I saw the photo, bet it caused some interesting chaos closing that junction (or did they just close Perry Common road?)
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: lynx1103 on December 07, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
It is 4502 I think it be repaired
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: nx4737 on December 08, 2013, 12:59:00 AM
I'm no expert, but that's clearly Arson...

Sc*m.
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: The Real 4778 on December 08, 2013, 11:30:28 AM
Absolutely - in fact scum is putting it very mildly indeed.
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: winston on December 08, 2013, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 08, 2013, 11:30:28 AM
Absolutely - in fact scum is putting it very mildly indeed.

Fingers cross that they've been caught on camera & get prosecuted/have to pay the repair bill
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Tony on December 08, 2013, 01:38:40 PM
I only photographed that last week
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4502.html
looks a bit better there
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: BU07 LGO on December 08, 2013, 03:59:16 PM
I know its a shame, I bet they will have been on camera so shouldn't be too hard to get them, especially when they most likely live near to the stop

I always wonder what the driver does and if anyone watches where they go, or is it a case of tehm been long gone before the fire takes hold?
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on December 08, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on December 07, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
It is 4502 I think it be repaired

I'm not so sure, obvious extensive fire & smoke damage upstairs, depends i suppose if there is any damage downstairs.
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: nx4737 on December 09, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
If this was a PN or WN bus, this thread would be about 6 pages long by now  ;D
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Trident 4609 on December 09, 2013, 07:58:23 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 09, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
If this was a PN or WN bus, this thread would be about 6 pages long by now  ;D

WN bus? Why would this be a significance but I can see what you mean by a PN bus ;)
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on December 09, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 09, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
If this was a PN or WN bus, this thread would be about 6 pages long by now  ;D

As if people on the PE thread make a fuss over a bus fire, good god, we are used to them, very used to them.
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Jack2001 on December 09, 2013, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 09, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 09, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
If this was a PN or WN bus, this thread would be about 6 pages long by now  ;D

As if people on the PE thread make a fuss over a bus fire, good god, we are used to them, very used to them.

Very true ;D
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: nitromatt1 on December 09, 2013, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Jack2001 on December 09, 2013, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 09, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 09, 2013, 06:16:19 PM
If this was a PN or WN bus, this thread would be about 6 pages long by now  ;D

As if people on the PE thread make a fuss over a bus fire, good god, we are used to them, very used to them.

Very true ;D

We use spare Mercs as catherine wheels
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: 4006 on December 10, 2013, 10:53:39 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2013, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 08, 2013, 11:30:28 AM
Absolutely - in fact scum is putting it very mildly indeed.

Fingers cross that they've been caught on camera & get prosecuted/have to pay the repair bill
Probably some drug pushing layabout chav on the dole so won't pay a penny. They probably do the same thing to another bus in a few weeks....or mug a granny, Burgle a school, in fact they are probably smoking weed in Dudley bus station about now!
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: the trainbasher on December 10, 2013, 11:48:31 AM
Quote from: 4006 on December 10, 2013, 10:53:39 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2013, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 08, 2013, 11:30:28 AM
Absolutely - in fact scum is putting it very mildly indeed.

Fingers cross that they've been caught on camera & get prosecuted/have to pay the repair bill
Probably some drug pushing layabout chav on the dole so won't pay a penny. They probably do the same thing to another bus in a few weeks....or mug a granny, Burgle a school, in fact they are probably smoking weed in Dudley bus station about now!

We need to be tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: John on December 13, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
4502 is dumped in a corner of the garage, we went over to have a better look at the fire damage. Quite severe, the rearmost 2 windows are where the fire had chance to spread before it was put out, completely gutted, plus it looks like the fire had broke through the roof as well
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Tony on February 19, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 08, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on December 07, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
It is 4502 I think it be repaired

I'm not so sure, obvious extensive fire & smoke damage upstairs, depends i suppose if there is any damage downstairs.

Carlyle are repairing 4502, the top deck seats are now at Miller Street.
It was Wilts & Dorset's turn today they lost a Spectra (1679) lots of photos on here
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11021320.Double_decker_bus_catches_fire_on_the_A338_Spur_Road/?ref=mmsp
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: andy on February 19, 2014, 07:20:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 08, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on December 07, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
It is 4502 I think it be repaired

I'm not so sure, obvious extensive fire & smoke damage upstairs, depends i suppose if there is any damage downstairs.

Carlyle are repairing 4502, the top deck seats are now at Miller Street.
It was Wilts & Dorset's turn today they lost a Spectra (1679) lots of photos on here
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11021320.Double_decker_bus_catches_fire_on_the_A338_Spur_Road/?ref=mmsp

I'm pretty sure they won't be seeing that one at Carlyle..
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: PM on February 19, 2014, 07:30:22 PM
Dare I say though that spectras and daf's are some of the most awful buses ever built with the exception of the sb120
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: DOC37V on February 20, 2014, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: andy on February 19, 2014, 07:20:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 08, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on December 07, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
It is 4502 I think it be repaired

I'm not so sure, obvious extensive fire & smoke damage upstairs, depends i suppose if there is any damage downstairs.

Carlyle are repairing 4502, the top deck seats are now at Miller Street.
It was Wilts & Dorset's turn today they lost a Spectra (1679) lots of photos on here
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11021320.Double_decker_bus_catches_fire_on_the_A338_Spur_Road/?ref=mmsp

I'm pretty sure they won't be seeing that one at Carlyle..

lol. Some fire that!
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Ronnoc on October 01, 2014, 05:44:19 PM
Which ALX400 lost it's roof in the Witton area?
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Sayeed on October 01, 2014, 06:56:08 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 01, 2014, 05:44:19 PM
Which ALX400 lost it's roof in the Witton area?
4234 (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4234.html)
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: 2900 on January 17, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
One of west brom garage ALX400 B7TL suffered a small fire in blackheath a few days a go , from what I,ve heard a fire brigade truck just happened to be following behind rather fortunate , has any one else heard or seen any thing.
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Michael Bevan on January 17, 2016, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
One of west brom garage ALX400 B7TL suffered a small fire in blackheath a few days a go , from what I,ve heard a fire brigade truck just happened to be following behind rather fortunate , has any one else heard or seen any thing.

Which ALX400?
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: karl724223 on January 17, 2016, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
One of west brom garage ALX400 B7TL suffered a small fire in blackheath a few days a go , from what I,ve heard a fire brigade truck just happened to be following behind rather fortunate , has any one else heard or seen any thing.
locals smoking weed at a guess
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: WB on January 19, 2016, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 17, 2016, 12:48:32 PM
locals smoking weed at a guess

It was 4299. Was on the 89 route when a passenger shouted to the driver that his bus was on fire. Fire engine was passing and it turned out to be an electrical fault towards the rear of the bus
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Jack6101 on January 19, 2016, 01:38:29 PM
@WB do u mean 4269 because 4299 at Walsall
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: WB on January 19, 2016, 01:47:13 PM
Not sure. I was told 4299 which i did think was at walsall but wasnt sure if we had it on loan
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: Tony on January 19, 2016, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: WB on January 19, 2016, 01:47:13 PM
Not sure. I was told 4299 which i did think was at walsall but wasnt sure if we had it on loan

It must have been very minor. Yesterday every WB B7/ALX was in service yesterday except 4225 and that was out Friday on the 45.

4299 has not been on loan aand is also in service
Title: Re: Another fire victim
Post by: WB on January 19, 2016, 04:46:50 PM
Not sure which number it was then but i know the vehicle was in the work bay inside the garage set to one side and the driver was taken into the managers office to find out what had happnened. Apparently the fire service had to rip the rear seat up and the smoke was very thick and smelt very bad so doubt it would be back in service so fast??