There's a few De Courcey service changes on Vosa today... but I have a feeling the two cancellations could be an error and are meant to be amended timetable?
(such errors have happened before on De Courcey registrations).
Quote
PD0000116/125
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Coventry and Rugby given service number 585 effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/163
Variation Accepted: Operating between NUNEATON BUS STATION and COVENTRY, BROADGATE given service number 74 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000116/177
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 360A effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/178
Variation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY ARENA RETAIL PARK and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 703 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
Whole load of changes today, including 85/585 on a different licence. Doesn't seem to be any mention OF 360
Summary of some of these changes, (courtesy Warwickshire website (http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/?alert=1025965)):
74:
Some minor timetable revisions to most journeys.
585:
Some minor timetable revisions to most journeys on Mondays to Fridays.
On Saturdays the frequency is reduced to hourly. Sundays unchanged.
778:
Service renumbered 78 with Collycroft only being served by peak journeys numbered 78A.
768:
Service renumbered 79 and revised to operate via Collycroft.
Quote from: JPC on December 05, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
There's a few De Courcey service changes on Vosa today... but I have a feeling the two cancellations could be an error and are meant to be amended timetable?
(such errors have happened before on De Courcey registrations).
Quote
PD0000116/125
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Coventry and Rugby given service number 585 effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/163
Variation Accepted: Operating between NUNEATON BUS STATION and COVENTRY, BROADGATE given service number 74 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000116/177
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 360A effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/178
Variation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY ARENA RETAIL PARK and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 703 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
Sadly, I think that's correct. http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26January2014.aspx
Quote from: :D on December 24, 2013, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: JPC on December 05, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
There's a few De Courcey service changes on Vosa today... but I have a feeling the two cancellations could be an error and are meant to be amended timetable?
(such errors have happened before on De Courcey registrations).
Quote
PD0000116/125
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Coventry and Rugby given service number 585 effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/163
Variation Accepted: Operating between NUNEATON BUS STATION and COVENTRY, BROADGATE given service number 74 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000116/177
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 360A effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/178
Variation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY ARENA RETAIL PARK and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 703 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
Sadly, I think that's correct. http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26January2014.aspx
So the 11A/11C becomes the longest 'urban' bus route again!
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2013, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: :D on December 24, 2013, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: JPC on December 05, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
There's a few De Courcey service changes on Vosa today... but I have a feeling the two cancellations could be an error and are meant to be amended timetable?
(such errors have happened before on De Courcey registrations).
Quote
PD0000116/125
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Coventry and Rugby given service number 585 effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/163
Variation Accepted: Operating between NUNEATON BUS STATION and COVENTRY, BROADGATE given service number 74 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000116/177
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 360A effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/178
Variation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY ARENA RETAIL PARK and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 703 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
Sadly, I think that's correct. http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26January2014.aspx
So the 11A/11C becomes the longest 'urban' bus route again!
Must say I am a bit surprised, well not so much about the service being withdrawn but the quickness of it, it only started in June and within six months it's
notice was handed in. Another disaster for Centro to mop up, but I hope the replacement services, regardless of operator, will have simpler route numbers. Also hoping their remaining three digit service numbers will renumber into the 51 to 99 range very soon.
Quote from: JPC on December 24, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2013, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: :D on December 24, 2013, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: JPC on December 05, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
There's a few De Courcey service changes on Vosa today... but I have a feeling the two cancellations could be an error and are meant to be amended timetable?
(such errors have happened before on De Courcey registrations).
Quote
PD0000116/125
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Coventry and Rugby given service number 585 effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/163
Variation Accepted: Operating between NUNEATON BUS STATION and COVENTRY, BROADGATE given service number 74 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000116/177
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 360A effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0000116/178
Variation Accepted: Operating between COVENTRY ARENA RETAIL PARK and COVENTRY, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL given service number 703 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
Sadly, I think that's correct. http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26January2014.aspx
So the 11A/11C becomes the longest 'urban' bus route again!
Must say I am a bit surprised, well not so much about the service being withdrawn but the quickness of it, it only started in June and within six months it's notice was handed in. Another disaster for Centro to mop up, but I hope the replacement services, regardless of operator, will have simpler route numbers. Also hoping their remaining three digit service numbers will renumber into the 51 to 99 range very soon.
The entire route is being 'handed back'?! Oh dear, what a mess. So much for all that fanfare in the summer - will Centro patch-up the gaps with replacement services? Presumably it was too much to handle; staff, fuel & maintenance costs etc against revenue.
Glad I rode it when it lasted then!
I suppose that's the negative with routes of such length.
Probably would've found it easier if it started out as a couple of shorter runs either way.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 26, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
I suppose that's the negative with routes of such length.
Probably would've found it easier if it started out as a couple of shorter runs either way.
It was basically that prior to the formation of the 360A/360C - essentially the joining together of the lengthy routes 701 and 801 (plus according to my own notes the 704 and Schools service 95) all from 9th June 2013. So a life of just seven and a half months.
Centro have tendered a 63 week contract, for 8/9/10 bus variations of the current 360 service
Simon
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 26, 2013, 11:33:01 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 26, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
I suppose that's the negative with routes of such length.
Probably would've found it easier if it started out as a couple of shorter runs either way.
It was basically that prior to the formation of the 360A/360C - essentially the joining together of the lengthy routes 701 and 801 (plus according to my own notes the 704 and Schools service 95) all from 9th June 2013. So a life of just seven and a half months.
Cheers. It seems the proverb "Combine routes in haste repent at leisure!" Springs to mind.
Quote from: Simon Dunn on December 26, 2013, 01:03:36 PM
Centro have tendered a 63 week contract, for 8/9/10 bus variations of the current 360 service
Simon
That is a big requirement for a tendered bus route isn't it? Could DeCourcey win it back under tender as other than NXC or Diamond I cannot see any other company being able to run it?
Stagecoach??
I suspect another operator falling into the trap of "a bus service to the hospital is essential" survey results, when in reality almost everyone attending a hospital either gets a lift off a friend or rings for a taxi and is useless to staff because it doesn't cover three shift working so staff still need a car and parking permit.
Quote from: mikestone on December 27, 2013, 10:59:22 PM
I suspect another operator falling into the trap of "a bus service to the hospital is essential" survey results, when in reality almost everyone attending a hospital either gets a lift off a friend or rings for a taxi and is useless to staff because it doesn't cover three shift working so staff still need a car and parking permit.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/new-coventry-bus-route-longest-4045809 (http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/new-coventry-bus-route-longest-4045809)
Our old friends Centro and their "Network Reviews" again. Though you do have to wonder why the Coventry Outer Circle has failed, when the previous routes 701, 801 and 704
were commercial. Is it a case of respondents in the review saying they would use an Outer Circle bus, but in reality travelling into Pool Meadow, changing buses there and travelling back out again, particularly those with NX Coventry passes?
To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if the 801 returned and either the 701/704 were merged or the original 703, 704 and 701 were restored.
It's probably the Tile Hill area that was the 360's Achilles heel, and the bringing back of the 43, assumedly tendered, may show that.
(Maybe other services in the area will need to be brought back for Westwood Business Park -- I'm thinking particularly of something like the 81w, which could maybe be called 5w).
The evening and Sunday loadings can't have helped the 360: I remember when the 801 used to begin at something like 1pm on a Sunday which, while not great from passengers' point of view, will have meant fewer journeys carrying fresh air around.
When 360 was introduced there was complaint backed by councillors in Evening Telegraph that it didn't serve Allesley Park terminus. This would have seemingly taken the route over 50 kilometres and required two registrations!
Hmm, I've looked a bit further into this, because the comment I made about the 43 above doesn't seem to make sense.
The most natural explanation would be that the 43 referred to on http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26January2014.aspx is the 'wrong one' and that they are really talking about an amendment to de Courcey's current school service 43, which looks like it operates from Ullathorne School to Broad Lane.
If it's not already been mentioned on here, the 360 service is going to be run by Diamond. That's what I've been told by the driver I know on the x30 service, with a depot opening in Coventry as well.
Very interesting news! Didn't see that one coming!
Quote from: sonic2009 on January 10, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
If it's not already been mentioned on here, the 360 service is going to be run by Diamond. That's what I've been told by the driver I know on the x30 service, with a depot opening in Coventry as well.
Erm.... Wow? Anyone know any more on this? Are Diamond doing taking over this and DeCourcey returning to their original routes? Have I got the wrong end of two very different sticks?
Quote from: Kevin on January 11, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: sonic2009 on January 10, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
If it's not already been mentioned on here, the 360 service is going to be run by Diamond. That's what I've been told by the driver I know on the x30 service, with a depot opening in Coventry as well.
Erm.... Wow? Anyone know any more on this? Are Diamond doing taking over this and DeCourcey returning to their original routes? Have I got the wrong end of two very different sticks?
Apparently the signature Citaros have the 360 programmed into the destination displays
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 11, 2014, 10:57:57 PM
Quote from: Kevin on January 11, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: sonic2009 on January 10, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
If it's not already been mentioned on here, the 360 service is going to be run by Diamond. That's what I've been told by the driver I know on the x30 service, with a depot opening in Coventry as well.
Erm.... Wow? Anyone know any more on this? Are Diamond doing taking over this and DeCourcey returning to their original routes? Have I got the wrong end of two very different sticks?
Apparently the signature Citaros have the 360 programmed into the destination displays
If Long Acre is sold/sub-let, I'd expect that the Signature work & vehicles may well move in to the new Coventry depot, plus the National Grid contracts
I heard that the new depot will be in Radford, and that some DeCourcey drivers are transferring to Diamond.
Regarding the National Grid contract I don't think that will move to Coventry as it is interworked with X30, the drivers are all the same on the service.
The early turn on the X30 involves working until 2pm on the service buses, and then taking the coach from Pool Meadow to Warwick to work the National Grid Contract.
The late turn on the X30 involves working the National Grid service in the morning, taking it to Pool Meadow, covering the early turn breaks on the X30, and then continuing in service on the X30 until end of service.
If Diamond are bidding for contracts in Coventry, are they going to try and compete with National Express I wonder?
Quote from: sonic2009 on January 12, 2014, 01:00:55 PM
If Diamond are bidding for contracts in Coventry, are they going to try and compete with National Express I wonder?
That's not a bad call, as certain contracts were ditched due to dead mileage which clearly would not now be a problem. I would expect the coaches and signature buses to move across there and Long Acre would keep everything else until it is closed/let and then presumably all WM services would go across to Tividale, dependent on capacity there and at Redditch.
One thing I was thinking, currently signature buses are used on 50/16 on sunday to give diamond's services a boost but if they were based at Coventry this would be far less likely and the buses wouldn't do much on a Sunday other than the S3. Maybe there is scope for winning some Coventry contracts on a sunday to improve vehicle utilisation?
Surely the X30 & the National Grid contracts would all go to the new Coventry depot as one, it would drastically cut the amount of dead mileage, which is what a new Coventry depot is designed to do!
Quote from: sonic2009 on January 12, 2014, 12:59:27 PM
I heard that the new depot will be in Radford, and that some DeCourcey drivers are transferring to Diamond.
Regarding the National Grid contract I don't think that will move to Coventry as it is interworked with X30, the drivers are all the same on the service.
The early turn on the X30 involves working until 2pm on the service buses, and then taking the coach from Pool Meadow to Warwick to work the National Grid Contract.
The late turn on the X30 involves working the National Grid service in the morning, taking it to Pool Meadow, covering the early turn breaks on the X30, and then continuing in service on the X30 until end of service.
I'd have thought an increased presence from Rotala/Diamond in Coventry may have more implications for DeCourcey rather than NXC, NX don't really get heavily involved in Centro contracts these days. DeCourcey have won quite a bit of work at the expense of Rotala owned Flights Hallmark, i.e. the NEC shuttle contracts (10 buses) & NX diagrams on 210 & 777 (14 Coaches)
Quote from: sonic2009 on January 12, 2014, 01:00:55 PM
If Diamond are bidding for contracts in Coventry, are they going to try and compete with National Express I wonder?
I heard that the new depot will be in Radford, and that some DeCourcey drivers are transferring to Diamond.
The depot will be Oban rd so i was told
what buses will be used on 360
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
I heard that the new depot will be in Radford, and that some DeCourcey drivers are transferring to Diamond.
The depot will be Oban rd so i was told
what buses will be used on 360
signature buses maybe?
dont really expect darts on the 360 lol
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
I heard that the new depot will be in Radford, and that some DeCourcey drivers are transferring to Diamond.
The depot will be Oban rd so i was told
what buses will be used on 360
Hopefully MPDs and solos. What size buses are currently used on there and what are loadings like as I have never actually been on it? Just trying to work out if they would do as loadings cannot surely be that good if it is being surrendered?
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 12, 2014, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
I heard that the new depot will be in Radford, and that some DeCourcey drivers are transferring to Diamond.
The depot will be Oban rd so i was told
what buses will be used on 360
signature buses maybe?
dont really expect darts on the 360 lol
There aren't enough signature buses ie another 10 spare to run this with. I would have thought darts/solos/MPDs would be the most likely vehicles.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2014, 02:14:25 PM
I heard that the new depot will be in Radford, and that some DeCourcey drivers are transferring to Diamond.
The depot will be Oban rd so i was told
what buses will be used on 360
That's all happened quick, as Simon was only asking about the yard next To DeCourcey on the 3rd Jan in his own thread
I've had a look on Google Earth, and there appears to only be a large haulage yard off Oban Road which appears suitable for a bus depot, the other buildings don't look big enough
I've got a feeling it is those 10 buses that were required quickly by diamond that will be used on the 360
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 12, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
I've got a feeling it is those 10 buses that were required quickly by diamond that will be used on the 360
I'm hoping those 8 x B7RLE go in to Tividale, and Tividale loose MPD or larger Darts for the 360 A/C
I'm assuming DeCourcey used MAN/MCV on the route?
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 12, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
I've got a feeling it is those 10 buses that were required quickly by diamond that will be used on the 360
They are being used for a service upgrade suggesting a service already operated ie the 4 or another route like it. I somehow doubt rotala would waste b7rle's on a centro contract that clearly doesn't need big buses, otherwise it would not be being surrendered!!
Quote from: Winston on January 12, 2014, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 12, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
I've got a feeling it is those 10 buses that were required quickly by diamond that will be used on the 360
I'm hoping those 8 x B7RLE go in to Tividale, and Tividale loose MPD or larger Darts for the 360 A/C
I'm assuming DeCourcey used MAN/MCV on the route?
DeCourcey used anything on the route from MAN/MCV to Optare Versa
Quote from: sonic2009 on January 12, 2014, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 12, 2014, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 12, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
I've got a feeling it is those 10 buses that were required quickly by diamond that will be used on the 360
I'm hoping those 8 x B7RLE go in to Tividale, and Tividale loose MPD or larger Darts for the 360 A/C
I'm assuming DeCourcey used MAN/MCV on the route?
DeCourcey used anything on the route from MAN/MCV to Optare Versa
Midi buses would suffice then against the 8 x full size B7RLE that have been acquired from Ensign
I spotted Diamond bus at Coventry rail station few days ago, I'd guess they were trying their bus routes out. Quite disappointing seeing their bus drivers doesn't always have a good attitude.
Quote from: :D on January 12, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
I spotted Diamond bus at Coventry rail station few days ago, I'd guess they were trying their bus routes out. Quite disappointing seeing their bus drivers doesn't always have a good attitude.
The vehicle specification on the 360 tender spec was for a minimum 40 seats if I recall
Quote from: gac_uk on January 12, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
Quote from: :D on January 12, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
I spotted Diamond bus at Coventry rail station few days ago, I'd guess they were trying their bus routes out. Quite disappointing seeing their bus drivers doesn't always have a good attitude.
The vehicle specification on the 360 tender spec was for a minimum 40 seats if I recall
That's very interesting and didn't know that. I would guess then that b7rles will be used on it
Is the 360 a tendered service or are Diamond to operate it commercially?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 12, 2014, 09:01:04 PM
Is the 360 a tendered service or are Diamond to operate it commercially?
Tendered I believe from what's been stated on here
DeCourcey literally have used everything on the 360 - MCVs through to deckers. When I went round the whole route some parts were well used (granted - others weren't) so I personally would hope Diamond don't put darts on
Quote from: Kevin on January 12, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
DeCourcey literally have used everything on the 360 - MCVs through to deckers. When I went round the whole route some parts were well used (granted - others weren't) so I personally would hope Diamond don't put darts on
If it's used sufficiently to warrant bigger buses than Darts, why's it a tendered route requiring subsidy?
I think that deckers were put on particular workings due to the volume of school pupils.
Because of the circular nature of the 360, these deckers would then stay on the route.
The double deckers appear on the journeys that go via Cardinal Wiseman school in Keresley on Monday to Friday. I'm not certain but think this replaced a school bus. Certainly the part between Eastern Green and Allesley Park in my experience has few passengers and previously only had a bus link on Sundays (23C).
The stops on the route say diamond with times 5 minutes earlier than the current DeCourcey times.
Also the 54 plate Citaro was on the anticlockwise 360 today (seen in Keresley at 1610ish)
Hi the trainbasher,
Is it definitely 5 minutes earlier all the way through?
The online timetable seems to suggest that they are/were trying to shorten the time the route takes by about 15 minutes so that the 360a go onto a 360c at University Hospital, and vice versa.
I bet Centro employees will be grumbling if they have to re-do all the stops if it really isn't Diamond that has it when the official announcement is made!
Either way though, it really is getting a bit close now, and I hope that more concrete details start emerging very soon.
To JoNi,
I agree that the Eastern Green section seems to be the 'weakest link', and had imagined before the current sketchy details were released that they would skip it, operate along the main road and run up to Allesley Park terminus instead with this set of changes.
Quote from: Valandil on January 19, 2014, 10:17:22 AM
Hi the trainbasher,
Is it definitely 5 minutes earlier all the way through?
The online timetable seems to suggest that they are/were trying to shorten the time the route takes by about 15 minutes so that the 360a go onto a 360c at University Hospital, and vice versa.
I bet Centro employees will be grumbling if they have to re-do all the stops if it really isn't Diamond that has it when the official announcement is made!
Either way though, it really is getting a bit close now, and I hope that more concrete details start emerging very soon.
To JoNi,
I agree that the Eastern Green section seems to be the 'weakest link', and had imagined before the current sketchy details were released that they would skip it, operate along the main road and run up to Allesley Park terminus instead with this set of changes.
All the way from keresley to Tesco comparing the NWM app to the stop Diamonds times show it as 5 minutes earlier than De courecey (eg the Wallace Hotel shows as xx01/xx31 on the current app times but diamond are xx25/xx55
So let's get this straight, DeC are scrapping the 360 and don't seem to be replacing the constituent parts, and Diamond are not taking it over despite them having a timetable for it and their buses have been seen on the route...
Eh?
Yes, this is sort of turning into a repeat of the A-Line Travel fiasco, I agree the western arc (west of the A45) is rather convoluted resulting in it's weakness. The 360 is apparently put out to tender yet again due to something being changed, perhaps we'll see an emergency tender for 11 weeks then something more concrete for the 52 weeks thereafter.
This is quite confusing due to lack of information... If Diamond and Decourcey isn't bidding for the tender, I'd guess NXC will be getting this tender.
Quote from: JPC on January 19, 2014, 01:00:51 PM
Yes, this is sort of turning into a repeat of the A-Line Travel fiasco, I agree the western arc (west of the A45) is rather convoluted resulting in it's weakness. The 360 is apparently put out to tender yet again due to something being changed, perhaps we'll see an emergency tender for 11 weeks then something more concrete for the 52 weeks thereafter.
What happened in the A-Line Travel fiasco?
A-Line got the 801, and tried* to run it for about two days, before NXC had to step back in and operate it.
They didn't have adequate vehicles and the reliability was dreadful: I don't think they seriously expected to get the route, so mustn't have made proper plans for operating it. It was a bit of an oversight of Centro's to hand it to them when they were unfit to do the work.
*I use the term loosely!
If it's a tendered service, does that mean the circle thing was actually Centro's doing in the first place? Or is it just because the various routes that made it up were tendered?
The impression given at the time was that the 360 was De Courceys idea after they won tenders for all the parts.
New Centro timetables for 26th January have appeared at bus stops on the 360/A stating Diamond is the operator.
Times are slightly different but what happens remains to be seen.
NXC may be able to source the required buses for the outer circle, but would they have the staff? I suspect looking at the timetables there are 18-20 duties worth of work weekdays!? Factoring in rest days etc probably 25-28 drivers would be required?
I suspect the existing operator may well be extended on a temporary basis?
I didn't seriously expect it to happen, but it seems that it's definitely not going to happen that "Timetables will be on this site
- Monday 20th January."
* http://www.traveldecourcey.com/service_updates/20/new_timetables
Network West Midlands have informed me that DeCourcey have been re-awarded the 360A/C contract, and will be operating it to the revised timetable that Diamond intended to run.
earlier today the other link to the other changes changes was scrolling at the top of the page, but the website has been updated and the new 360A/C has a link there now
;
http://www.traveldecourcey.com/_userfiles/pages/files/360%20latest%2026th%20Jan%20v1.pdf
Quote from: mikestone on January 21, 2014, 08:09:56 PM
earlier today the other link to the other changes changes was scrolling at the top of the page, but the website has been updated and the new 360A/C has a link there now
;
http://www.traveldecourcey.com/_userfiles/pages/files/360%20latest%2026th%20Jan%20v1.pdf
Good stuff!
The 585a/b arrangement looks interesting.
Quote from: mikestone on January 21, 2014, 08:09:56 PM
earlier today the other link to the other changes changes was scrolling at the top of the page, but the website has been updated and the new 360A/C has a link there now
;
http://www.traveldecourcey.com/_userfiles/pages/files/360%20latest%2026th%20Jan%20v1.pdf
I wonder if DeCourcey put in in a last minute superior bid to discourage Diamond from setting up a new depot in Coventry?
Mike de Courcey Travel will not be withdrawing the 360A and 360C City Circle bus service on January 26th. He has been asked to continue the service until a suitable tender has been appointed. One tender was accepted, but they backed out. It could be two or three months before before we know anymore.
Messages have appeared on Real Time Signs on the route saying De Courcey is to continue running the service. Seen at stops in Binley and Banner Lane.
Quote from: t.w.moore on January 22, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
Mike de Courcey Travel will not be withdrawing the 360A and 360C City Circle bus service on January 26th. He has been asked to continue the service until a suitable tender has been appointed. One tender was accepted, but they backed out. It could be two or three months before before we know anymore.
NWM confirm they apparantly running it until April 2015
A notice in the buses on this service state. Travel de Courcey has now been asked to continue running Circular service until further notice. However from this date these services will be running to a revised timetable with most journeys running at a different time. The late evening trips will be withdrawn due to a lack of useage. I believe the last bus will end at 8 o'clock
I did hear a driver telling another driver...when I did a complete trip on the route today..that a London Company is showing interest. I have no other details concerning this rumour.
The route today was all MAN/MCV Evolutions. There was one ex London Trident with the Evolutions on yesterday
This entry updates my entry above.
Quote from: t.w.moore on January 22, 2014, 05:17:59 PM
A notice in the buses on this service state. Travel de Courcey has now been asked to continue running Circular service until further notice. However from this date these services will be running to a revised timetable with most journeys running at a different time. The late evening trips will be withdrawn due to a lack of useage. I believe the last bus will end at 8 o'clock
I did hear a driver telling another driver...when I did a complete trip on the route today..that a London Company is showing interest. I have no other details concerning this rumour.
The route today was all MAN/MCV Evolutions. There was one ex London Trident with the Evolutions on yesterday
This entry updates my entry above.
Stagecoach??
Quote from: Dylan4579 on January 23, 2014, 04:21:12 PM
Quote from: t.w.moore on January 22, 2014, 05:17:59 PM
A notice in the buses on this service state. Travel de Courcey has now been asked to continue running Circular service until further notice. However from this date these services will be running to a revised timetable with most journeys running at a different time. The late evening trips will be withdrawn due to a lack of useage. I believe the last bus will end at 8 o'clock
I did hear a driver telling another driver...when I did a complete trip on the route today..that a London Company is showing interest. I have no other details concerning this rumour.
The route today was all MAN/MCV Evolutions. There was one ex London Trident with the Evolutions on yesterday
This entry updates my entry above.
Stagecoach??
Stagecoach are Scottish....
Oh sorry I thought that it was any company that operates in London
Quote from: Dylan4579 on January 23, 2014, 06:35:38 PM
Oh sorry I thought that it was any company that operates in London
Stagecoach have a London subsidiary, but Stagecoach HQ is based in Perth, Scotland.
If it was Stagecoach that were expressing an interest, surely their local subsidiary 'Stagecoach in Warwickshire' would tender for it, rather than their London op?
Quote from: Winston on January 23, 2014, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on January 23, 2014, 06:35:38 PM
Oh sorry I thought that it was any company that operates in London
Stagecoach have a London subsidiary, but Stagecoach HQ is based in Perth, Scotland.
If it was Stagecoach that were expressing an interest, surely their local subsidiary 'Stagecoach in Warwickshire' would tender for it, rather than their London op?
Perhaps it was Rotala who bid for it who have a base at heathrow? :-)
Quote from: Tony on January 23, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 23, 2014, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on January 23, 2014, 06:35:38 PM
Oh sorry I thought that it was any company that operates in London
Stagecoach have a London subsidiary, but Stagecoach HQ is based in Perth, Scotland.
If it was Stagecoach that were expressing an interest, surely their local subsidiary 'Stagecoach in Warwickshire' would tender for it, rather than their London op?
Perhaps it was Rotala who bid for it who have a base at heathrow? :-)
At the risk of starting a rumour - was the overheard conversation about the London company showing an interest in the route or company!?
Quote from: notepanel on January 23, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 23, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 23, 2014, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on January 23, 2014, 06:35:38 PM
Oh sorry I thought that it was any company that operates in London
Stagecoach have a London subsidiary, but Stagecoach HQ is based in Perth, Scotland.
If it was Stagecoach that were expressing an interest, surely their local subsidiary 'Stagecoach in Warwickshire' would tender for it, rather than their London op?
Perhaps it was Rotala who bid for it who have a base at heathrow? :-)
At the risk of starting a rumour - was the overheard conversation about the London company showing an interest in the route or company!?
It's always possible the interest could be in the company, it would make an attractive acquisition. But who would fit the bill of a London company that is already owned by a larger bus group based elsewhere?
Metroline (ComfortDelgro)?
RAPT London?
Tower Transit?
CT Plus??
Quote from: gc802002 on January 23, 2014, 10:49:38 PM
Metroline (ComfortDelgro)?
RAPT London?
Tower Transit?
CT Plus??
Metroline & London United are both subsidiaries of larger groups not based in London, even Tower Transit falls in to that category.
CT Plus aren't know for takeovers, instead setting up new businesses through tender wins outside of London.
RAPT Dev could be the most likely suitor currently operating in London with its recent purchase of Selywns, Runcorn who operate a large fleet of coaches on NX work, similar to DeCourcey
Here's an article about the changes to the 360 from end of service:
http://www.centro.org.uk/about-us/news/2014/changes-to-360-timetable.aspx
Pity they didn't think to mention the early finish - seems rather odd they haven't announced something along the lines of "we've saved your bus service".
To celebrate the new timetable for the 360, it seems that de Courcey have a new display style:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2iuxq89.jpg
(NB It isn't just this vehicle which has the new style).
In my opinion the new display style looks more cluttered and less clear.
Not quite as bad as Versa 577, route number completely missing from front display, 585b on side and rear, but according to the new timetable should just be a 585, it was on the journey heading to Cov rail station arriving at 16:13.
I've seen both 585A and 585B which have the letter in lower case . Rugby display is in relatively small and saw one with via points which included "Town Center".