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Title: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on January 17, 2014, 01:17:42 PM
Just had the following come through on one of my other groups,

"Wrightbus, ADL and Optare are sharing £70m in orders from First for 425 buses, to be delivered in the 2014/5 financial year.

Significantly, it includes 274 Wrightbus StreetLite Micro Hybrids - a new product which saves around 10% of fuel costs, but at a premium of only £6,000-9,000 per bus, compared with around a typical 40% premium for a 'full' hybrid.

It is the first order that Wrightbus has won for its Micro Hybrid.

"Investment in our bus division continues apace," says Giles Fearnley, Managing Director of First UK Bus. "This order underlines our commitment to growing our business and encouraging more people to use our services, and use them more often."

Wrightbus' order is for 301 StreetLites (including 27 conventional diesel versions); ADL has won an order for 97 vehicles; Optare will deliver 21 and Volvo will supply six Plaxton-bodied coaches.
All buses will be Euro 5 with Wi-Fi and E-Leather seats. The rest of the order comprises: ADL (Enviro200 x 37; Enviro400 x 60) and Optare (Solo x 15; Versa x 6)."

Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on January 17, 2014, 03:17:36 PM
What is interesting, it that all the First Group orders are Euro 5 and Wright & Optare are still offering Euro 5 models. But the article below does suggest that all new vehicles will need to be delivered before the end of 2014

http://www.busandcoach.com/newspage.aspx?id=8221&categoryid=0

The Streetlite Micro Hybrid concept is also interesting and saves a further 10% on fuel over a standard diesel equivalent

This suggests that NX could still buy more B7RLE/Wright for 2014 at least.

Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: BN on January 17, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
No B7's on order for 2014/15
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on January 17, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: BN on January 17, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
No B7's on order for 2014/15

BN,

Are they switching to B8RLE then? or no new Volvo single deckers planned full stop?
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: BN on January 18, 2014, 07:57:49 AM
No Volvos full stop.
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Trident 4609 on January 18, 2014, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: BN on January 17, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
No B7's on order for 2014/15

BN,

Are they switching to B8RLE then? or no new Volvo single deckers planned full stop?

It appears some garages are getting rid of their older buses such as Mercs and B6's via cascades. For instance Park Lane are planning to get rid of all of the mercs via cascades double deckers (Tridents)
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on January 18, 2014, 10:36:31 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 18, 2014, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: BN on January 17, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
No B7's on order for 2014/15

BN,

Are they switching to B8RLE then? or no new Volvo single deckers planned full stop?

It appears some garages are getting rid of their older buses such as Mercs and B6's via cascades. For instance Park Lane are planning to get rid of all of the mercs via cascades double deckers (Tridents)

Sounds as though the order will comprise of E400's (to release Tridents) & E200's (to withdrawn B6LE & B10L) then
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: CRP2012 on January 19, 2014, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2014, 03:17:36 PM
What is interesting, it that all the First Group orders are Euro 5 and Wright & Optare are still offering Euro 5 models. But the article below does suggest that all new vehicles will need to be delivered before the end of 2014

http://www.busandcoach.com/newspage.aspx?id=8221&categoryid=0

The Streetlite Micro Hybrid concept is also interesting and saves a further 10% on fuel over a standard diesel equivalent

This suggests that NX could still buy more B7RLE/Wright for 2014 at least.

Volvo have stopped taking orders for Euro 5 Buses,its only Optare,ADL & Wright that are currently taking orders this year for euro 5 - If NX order volvo it will have to be the B8RLE
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on January 19, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: CRP2012 on January 19, 2014, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2014, 03:17:36 PM
What is interesting, it that all the First Group orders are Euro 5 and Wright & Optare are still offering Euro 5 models. But the article below does suggest that all new vehicles will need to be delivered before the end of 2014

http://www.busandcoach.com/newspage.aspx?id=8221&categoryid=0

The Streetlite Micro Hybrid concept is also interesting and saves a further 10% on fuel over a standard diesel equivalent

This suggests that NX could still buy more B7RLE/Wright for 2014 at least.

Volvo have stopped taking orders for Euro 5 Buses,its only Optare,ADL & Wright that are currently taking orders this year for euro 5 - If NX order volvo it will have to be the B8RLE

It appears the only Euro 5 buses still being sold during 2014 are Midibuses & smaller
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: sconehead85 on January 25, 2014, 12:04:07 AM
Yet despite previous orders, First still hang on to 20+ y.o double deckers.  The only step entry double decks should be Volvo Olympians by now.

sconehead85
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on January 25, 2014, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: sconehead85 on January 25, 2014, 12:04:07 AM
Yet despite previous orders, First still hang on to 20+ y.o double deckers.  The only step entry double decks should be Volvo Olympians by now.

sconehead85

Even with 425 new buses ordered for this year & potentially every other year, based on a UK fleet strength of 6430, that is still implying a vehicle life of 15 years is required by First Group, which isn't that great.

Also to consider, will the lighter weight buses last that long?
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: PM on January 25, 2014, 12:16:54 AM
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2014, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: sconehead85 on January 25, 2014, 12:04:07 AM
Yet despite previous orders, First still hang on to 20+ y.o double deckers.  The only step entry double decks should be Volvo Olympians by now.

sconehead85

Even with 425 new buses ordered for this year & potentially every other year, based on a UK fleet strength of 6430, that is still implying a vehicle life of 15 years is required by First Group, which isn't that great.

Also to consider, will the lighter weight buses last that long?

Streetlites are certainly built for it and to be fair, with bodies by wrightbus the bodywork will outlive the chassis eg b6/crusaders with corroded chassis and yet bodywork that has ages well and looks very modern.
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Tony on February 04, 2014, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 25, 2014, 12:16:54 AM
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2014, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: sconehead85 on January 25, 2014, 12:04:07 AM
Yet despite previous orders, First still hang on to 20+ y.o double deckers.  The only step entry double decks should be Volvo Olympians by now.

sconehead85

Even with 425 new buses ordered for this year & potentially every other year, based on a UK fleet strength of 6430, that is still implying a vehicle life of 15 years is required by First Group, which isn't that great.

Also to consider, will the lighter weight buses last that long?

Streetlites are certainly built for it and to be fair, with bodies by wrightbus the bodywork will outlive the chassis eg b6/crusaders with corroded chassis and yet bodywork that has ages well and looks very modern.

One member on here is in for a massive shock! Worcester are expecting some brand new buses this year!
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on February 04, 2014, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 04, 2014, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 25, 2014, 12:16:54 AM
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2014, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: sconehead85 on January 25, 2014, 12:04:07 AM
Yet despite previous orders, First still hang on to 20+ y.o double deckers.  The only step entry double decks should be Volvo Olympians by now.

sconehead85

Even with 425 new buses ordered for this year & potentially every other year, based on a UK fleet strength of 6430, that is still implying a vehicle life of 15 years is required by First Group, which isn't that great.

Also to consider, will the lighter weight buses last that long?

Streetlites are certainly built for it and to be fair, with bodies by wrightbus the bodywork will outlive the chassis eg b6/crusaders with corroded chassis and yet bodywork that has ages well and looks very modern.

One member on here is in for a massive shock! Worcester are expecting some brand new buses this year!

I wasn't expecting that this year, I would have thought it may be DF MAX Streetlites that are the most likely due for WR from the list of orders placed. Possibly to upgrade the 44 or 144?
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: DD12 on February 05, 2014, 12:58:37 AM


Also to consider, will the lighter weight buses last that long?
[/quote]

Streetlites are certainly built for it and to be fair, with bodies by wrightbus the bodywork will outlive the chassis eg b6/crusaders with corroded chassis and yet bodywork that has ages well and looks very modern.
[/quote]

It has, in my opinion,  always been a trade-off between lightweight advances and durable strong+tough+reliable  (+heavy?) - engineering !
A lot of lightweight BMMO vehicles got scrapped when they were around 11 years old, despite any aspirations of designers who may have  been influenced  by advances in World War 2 engineering.

I believe that I read that some early Streetlites had a problem linked to corrosion/ a reaction between dissimilar metals.
Forgive Me if that's wrong Wrightbus!
(I believe that the people at Wrightbus are working incredibly hard and clever, to serve the people at the companies which are trying to advance the provision of buses and therefore profit!)
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on February 05, 2014, 01:18:22 AM
Quote from: DD12 on February 05, 2014, 12:58:37 AM
Also to consider, will the lighter weight buses last that long?

Streetlites are certainly built for it and to be fair, with bodies by wrightbus the bodywork will outlive the chassis eg b6/crusaders with corroded chassis and yet bodywork that has ages well and looks very modern.
[/quote]

It has, in my opinion,  always been a trade-off between lightweight advances and durable strong+tough+reliable  (+heavy?) - engineering !
A lot of lightweight BMMO vehicles got scrapped when they were around 11 years old, despite any aspirations of designers who may have  been influenced  by advances in World War 2 engineering.

I believe that I read that some early Streetlites had a problem linked to corrosion/ a reaction between dissimilar metals.
Forgive Me if that's wrong Wrightbus!
(I believe that the people at Wrightbus are working incredibly hard and clever, to serve the people at the companies which are trying to advance the provision of buses and therefore profit!)
[/quote]

That type of problem is easily remedied by putting a rubber isolator/barrier between the two metals to stop them touching. Exactly the same as you'd do to separate glass & metal.

Wrightbus certainly seem to be doing well, with winning the Borismaster contract / the have regained the lion's share of First group orders with the Streetlite etc. There is also the Streetdeck still to come
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: DD12 on February 05, 2014, 01:54:36 AM


One member on here is in for a massive shock! Worcester are expecting some brand new buses this year!
[/quote]

I haven't quite died from a heart attack at this news!
Although the age profile at Worcester  is probably already in-line with First's policies, the new MD  may have a new initiative in-mind  that will also improve average fleet-age! 
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: j789 on February 05, 2014, 06:59:47 PM
Did not see that coming. Any idea what particular vehicles are on their way?
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Tony on February 05, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: j789 on February 05, 2014, 06:59:47 PM
Did not see that coming. Any idea what particular vehicles are on their way?

I have actually received the full list of allocations, but have been asked not to put any specific information on the internet untul the vehicles are delivered
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: j789 on February 05, 2014, 07:50:49 PM
Fair enough, any major surprises or general like for like replacements. I will ask at work tomorrow.
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on February 06, 2014, 04:46:03 AM
Will the Potteries ever receive any new buses? The age profile there must be shocking
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Ashley on February 11, 2014, 11:28:04 PM
From an enthusiasts view. If Potteries suddenly became a mk1 B7RLE dumping ground I'd be happy with that. Talking in terms of investment. I personally think a batch of Streetlites would wipe out their oldest Darts and Solos which are definitely not in the best condition
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: the trainbasher on March 24, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
Off First group Fans yahoo group

Quote33831 – 33857            Enviro 400                              for Manchester .

33858 – 33872            Enviro 400                              for Olive Grove.

33873 – 33890            Enviro 400                              for Bramley.

44600 – 44636            Enviro 200                              for Ravenhill.

47466 – 47481            Streetlite DF                           for Tameside.

47482 – 47492            Streetlite DF                           for Doncaster .

47493 – 47500            Streetlite DF                           for Huddersfield .

47501 – 47506            Streetlite DF                           for Great Yarmouth .

47507 – 47512            Streetlite DF                           for Norwich .

47513 – 47518            Streetlite DF                           for Worcester .

47519 – 47528            Streelite DF                            for Hadleigh.

47529 – 47534            Streetlite DF                           for Scotland East.

47544 – 47558            Streetlite DF                           for Bath .

47559 – 47571            Streetlite DF                           for Hengrove.

47573 – 47594            Streetlite DF                           for Hoeford.

47595 – 47612            Streetlite DF                           for Southampton .

47613 – 47617            Streetlite DF                           for Scotland East.

47618 – 47628            Streetlite DF                           for Parkhead.

49901 – 49912            Optare Versa V1100 EV         for York .

53501 – 53509            Optare Solo M880 SR            for Hoeford.

53510 – 53515            Optare Solo M880 SR            for Weymouth .         

63119 – 63145            Streetlite Max DF                   for Olive Grove.

63145 – 63156            Streetlite Max DF                   for Manchester .

63157 – 63160            Streetlite Max DF                   for Scotland East.

63161 – 63170            Streetlite Max DF                   for Hadleigh.

63171 – 63180            Streetlite Max DF                   for Leicester .

63181 – 63189            Streetlite Max DF                   for Weymouth .

63190 – 63192            Streetlite Max DF                   for Slough .

63193 – 63217            Streetlite Max DF                   for Aberdeen .

63219 – 63223            Streetlite Max DF                   for Scotland East.

63224 – 63240            Streetlite Max DF                   for Blantyre .

64994 – 64997            Van Hool A330 fuel cell           for Aberdeen .
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on March 25, 2014, 06:48:20 AM
Nothing for Potteries then as usual
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: s94 on March 25, 2014, 11:55:41 PM
Its much of Cornwall where there are barely any new buses!
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on March 26, 2014, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: s94 on March 25, 2014, 11:55:41 PM
Its much of Cornwall where there are barely any new buses!

Cornwall doesn't generate the revenues/profits to be able to support new buses, the only new buses that would be bought for Cornwall would be for any specific contract wins. Cornwall will most likely receive newer cascades only
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: stuartn on March 26, 2014, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: bob on March 25, 2014, 06:48:20 AM
Nothing for Potteries then as usual

Maybe Potteries could possibly get some of the buses the streetlites replace in Leicester?

I think Potteries are due some of our Volvo B7L's soon which are in good condition for their age.
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
Yes but its the age thats the problem lol isnt their newest 7 yrs old? Thats pants
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Tony on March 26, 2014, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 24, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
Off First group Fans yahoo group

Quote33831 – 33857            Enviro 400                              for Manchester .

33858 – 33872            Enviro 400                              for Olive Grove.

33873 – 33890            Enviro 400                              for Bramley.

44600 – 44636            Enviro 200                              for Ravenhill.

47466 – 47481            Streetlite DF                           for Tameside.

47482 – 47492            Streetlite DF                           for Doncaster .

47493 – 47500            Streetlite DF                           for Huddersfield .

47501 – 47506            Streetlite DF                           for Great Yarmouth .

47507 – 47512            Streetlite DF                           for Norwich .

47513 – 47518            Streetlite DF                           for Worcester .

47519 – 47528            Streelite DF                            for Hadleigh.

47529 – 47534            Streetlite DF                           for Scotland East.

47544 – 47558            Streetlite DF                           for Bath .

47559 – 47571            Streetlite DF                           for Hengrove.

47573 – 47594            Streetlite DF                           for Hoeford.

47595 – 47612            Streetlite DF                           for Southampton .

47613 – 47617            Streetlite DF                           for Scotland East.

47618 – 47628            Streetlite DF                           for Parkhead.

49901 – 49912            Optare Versa V1100 EV         for York .

53501 – 53509            Optare Solo M880 SR            for Hoeford.

53510 – 53515            Optare Solo M880 SR            for Weymouth .         

63119 – 63145            Streetlite Max DF                   for Olive Grove.

63145 – 63156            Streetlite Max DF                   for Manchester .

63157 – 63160            Streetlite Max DF                   for Scotland East.

63161 – 63170            Streetlite Max DF                   for Hadleigh.

63171 – 63180            Streetlite Max DF                   for Leicester .

63181 – 63189            Streetlite Max DF                   for Weymouth .

63190 – 63192            Streetlite Max DF                   for Slough .

63193 – 63217            Streetlite Max DF                   for Aberdeen .

63219 – 63223            Streetlite Max DF                   for Scotland East.

63224 – 63240            Streetlite Max DF                   for Blantyre .

64994 – 64997            Van Hool A330 fuel cell           for Aberdeen .
Quote

Amazed it has taken that long before someone posted this on the Internet.  A couple of members on here will know I, and several other people had this list a month ago but were asked not to post it.  What this list doesn't say is the E400s for Manchester are for the Fingland fleet.  Not the main fleet

Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on March 26, 2014, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2014, 06:51:13 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 24, 2014, 11:12:53 PM
Off First group Fans yahoo group

Quote33831 – 33857            Enviro 400                              for Manchester .

33858 – 33872            Enviro 400                              for Olive Grove.

33873 – 33890            Enviro 400                              for Bramley.

44600 – 44636            Enviro 200                              for Ravenhill.

47466 – 47481            Streetlite DF                           for Tameside.

47482 – 47492            Streetlite DF                           for Doncaster .

47493 – 47500            Streetlite DF                           for Huddersfield .

47501 – 47506            Streetlite DF                           for Great Yarmouth .

47507 – 47512            Streetlite DF                           for Norwich .

47513 – 47518            Streetlite DF                           for Worcester .

47519 – 47528            Streelite DF                            for Hadleigh.

47529 – 47534            Streetlite DF                           for Scotland East.

47544 – 47558            Streetlite DF                           for Bath .

47559 – 47571            Streetlite DF                           for Hengrove.

47573 – 47594            Streetlite DF                           for Hoeford.

47595 – 47612            Streetlite DF                           for Southampton .

47613 – 47617            Streetlite DF                           for Scotland East.

47618 – 47628            Streetlite DF                           for Parkhead.

49901 – 49912            Optare Versa V1100 EV         for York .

53501 – 53509            Optare Solo M880 SR            for Hoeford.

53510 – 53515            Optare Solo M880 SR            for Weymouth .         

63119 – 63145            Streetlite Max DF                   for Olive Grove.

63145 – 63156            Streetlite Max DF                   for Manchester .

63157 – 63160            Streetlite Max DF                   for Scotland East.

63161 – 63170            Streetlite Max DF                   for Hadleigh.

63171 – 63180            Streetlite Max DF                   for Leicester .

63181 – 63189            Streetlite Max DF                   for Weymouth .

63190 – 63192            Streetlite Max DF                   for Slough .

63193 – 63217            Streetlite Max DF                   for Aberdeen .

63219 – 63223            Streetlite Max DF                   for Scotland East.

63224 – 63240            Streetlite Max DF                   for Blantyre .

64994 – 64997            Van Hool A330 fuel cell           for Aberdeen .
Quote

Amazed it has taken that long before someone posted this on the Internet.  A couple of members on here will know I, and several other people had this list a month ago but were asked not to post it.  What this list doesn't say is the E400s for Manchester are for the Fingland fleet.  Not the main fleet

Those DF Streetlites must be the first new buses Scotland East will of had for some years
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 08:47:30 PM
Arent streetlites supposed to be really rubbish?  Ive seen youtube vids of first sheffields ones they sound dreadful. I cant believe arriva are having some for cannock. ..then again I can lol
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: s94 on March 26, 2014, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 26, 2014, 10:26:24 AM
Quote from: s94 on March 25, 2014, 11:55:41 PM
Its much of Cornwall where there are barely any new buses!

Cornwall doesn't generate the revenues/profits to be able to support new buses, the only new buses that would be bought for Cornwall would be for any specific contract wins. Cornwall will most likely receive newer cascades only
True.

Having said that, much of its fleet actually still seems in good condition. Take a trip on any Falmouth routes and one would see. :)
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on March 26, 2014, 09:53:21 PM
Can we assume that its Potteries division probably doesn't make much money then? As great as it is to see vintage step entry deckers in use, G, L, M & P reg Olympians? Really?
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Ashley on March 28, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
The difference between First and Arriva is that alot of First territory such as Yorkshire is very hilly. Cannock to Walsall is essentially flat so there won't be as many problems. Potteries is hardly tanking but it could be down to some of their customer base. Their time will come, for goodness sake stop slating everybody off, it could be worse. So what if companies are still running Olympians, the reason is that they're extremely reliable and low maintenance. As Cornwall have found out along with every bus company, early low floor deckers haven't got the stamena to keep going without breaking. Or in WM speak, how often did you see a Metro on the back of a Mansfield, then ask yourself how often do you see a Trident on the back of a Mansfield
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: PM on March 28, 2014, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 28, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
The difference between First and Arriva is that alot of First territory such as Yorkshire is very hilly. Cannock to Walsall is essentially flat so there won't be as many problems. Potteries is hardly tanking but it could be down to some of their customer base. Their time will come, for goodness sake stop slating everybody off, it could be worse. So what if companies are still running Olympians, the reason is that they're extremely reliable and low maintenance. As Cornwall have found out along with every bus company, early low floor deckers haven't got the stamena to keep going without breaking. Or in WM speak, how often did you see a Metro on the back of a Mansfield, then ask yourself how often do you see a Trident on the back of a Mansfield

Couldn't agree more Ashley. Because of DDA deadlines coming close, people seem to assume that all fleets can suddenly pay for low floor deckers. Actually, I'd far rather have a first olympian than many low floor ex London deckers that are in bad condition. Cornwall will no doubt be upgraded in time but they have got 3 years to play with although admittedly there won't be any london vehicles able to replace Olympians as that secondhand source has dried up.
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Tony on March 28, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 28, 2014, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 28, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
The difference between First and Arriva is that alot of First territory such as Yorkshire is very hilly. Cannock to Walsall is essentially flat so there won't be as many problems. Potteries is hardly tanking but it could be down to some of their customer base. Their time will come, for goodness sake stop slating everybody off, it could be worse. So what if companies are still running Olympians, the reason is that they're extremely reliable and low maintenance. As Cornwall have found out along with every bus company, early low floor deckers haven't got the stamena to keep going without breaking. Or in WM speak, how often did you see a Metro on the back of a Mansfield, then ask yourself how often do you see a Trident on the back of a Mansfield

Couldn't agree more Ashley. Because of DDA deadlines coming close, people seem to assume that all fleets can suddenly pay for low floor deckers. Actually, I'd far rather have a first olympian than many low floor ex London deckers that are in bad condition. Cornwall will no doubt be upgraded in time but they have got 3 years to play with although admittedly there won't be any london vehicles able to replace Olympians as that secondhand source has dried up.

Most late Olympians are rotton underneath, they are certainly not low maintenance. That is why several First, Stagecoach & Arriva subsiduaries have disposed of the newer ones before some of the older ones
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: PM on March 28, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 28, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 28, 2014, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 28, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
The difference between First and Arriva is that alot of First territory such as Yorkshire is very hilly. Cannock to Walsall is essentially flat so there won't be as many problems. Potteries is hardly tanking but it could be down to some of their customer base. Their time will come, for goodness sake stop slating everybody off, it could be worse. So what if companies are still running Olympians, the reason is that they're extremely reliable and low maintenance. As Cornwall have found out along with every bus company, early low floor deckers haven't got the stamena to keep going without breaking. Or in WM speak, how often did you see a Metro on the back of a Mansfield, then ask yourself how often do you see a Trident on the back of a Mansfield

Couldn't agree more Ashley. Because of DDA deadlines coming close, people seem to assume that all fleets can suddenly pay for low floor deckers. Actually, I'd far rather have a first olympian than many low floor ex London deckers that are in bad condition. Cornwall will no doubt be upgraded in time but they have got 3 years to play with although admittedly there won't be any london vehicles able to replace Olympians as that secondhand source has dried up.

Most late Olympians are rotton underneath, they are certainly not low maintenance. That is why several First, Stagecoach & Arriva subsiduaries have disposed of the newer ones before some of the older ones

Really? Did the build quality drop off then in the later Olympian production runs?
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Tony on March 28, 2014, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 28, 2014, 07:39:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 28, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 28, 2014, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 28, 2014, 07:14:51 PM
The difference between First and Arriva is that alot of First territory such as Yorkshire is very hilly. Cannock to Walsall is essentially flat so there won't be as many problems. Potteries is hardly tanking but it could be down to some of their customer base. Their time will come, for goodness sake stop slating everybody off, it could be worse. So what if companies are still running Olympians, the reason is that they're extremely reliable and low maintenance. As Cornwall have found out along with every bus company, early low floor deckers haven't got the stamena to keep going without breaking. Or in WM speak, how often did you see a Metro on the back of a Mansfield, then ask yourself how often do you see a Trident on the back of a Mansfield

Couldn't agree more Ashley. Because of DDA deadlines coming close, people seem to assume that all fleets can suddenly pay for low floor deckers. Actually, I'd far rather have a first olympian than many low floor ex London deckers that are in bad condition. Cornwall will no doubt be upgraded in time but they have got 3 years to play with although admittedly there won't be any london vehicles able to replace Olympians as that secondhand source has dried up.

Most late Olympians are rotton underneath, they are certainly not low maintenance. That is why several First, Stagecoach & Arriva subsiduaries have disposed of the newer ones before some of the older ones

Really? Did the build quality drop off then in the later Olympian production runs?

It seems very much so, lower quality steel used
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on March 28, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
I dont slate everybody off. I just remarked about the age of the fleet and the fact the newest buses are 7yrs old, and they were cascades.  I dont slate nx or any other arriva garages like tamworth telford Leicester etc they are very good.  Its just cannock and wednesfield that are the absolute pits. Even tony has remarked on the poor state of cannocks fleet/breakdown levels before now
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Tony on March 28, 2014, 09:02:06 PM
Quote from: bob on March 28, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
I dont slate everybody off. I just remarked about the age of the fleet and the fact the newest buses are 7yrs old, and they were cascades.  I dont slate nx or any other arriva garages like tamworth telford Leicester etc they are very good.  Its just cannock and wednesfield that are the absolute pits. Even tony has remarked on the poor state of cannocks fleet/breakdown levels before now

The new buses on the 25/26 do seem to have made a big difference, doesn't seem to be any mass breakdowns lately, vehicle allocation is still rubbish, one of the wifi fitted 60/825 vehicles was being wasted on the 62 all day, but apart from FK52MML leaving a smoke trail in Hednesford I haven't seen anything to bad for the last month
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on March 28, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
There were four breakdowns on monday. The 20.25 number 2 was late on Saturday night according to the driver they couldn't find a suitable bus so presumably thered been a breakdown.  It was 20mins late lol.
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Bob on March 30, 2014, 12:02:46 PM
Oh and either the 836 or 837 broke down on Friday leaving loads of kids late for college I think it was the 837. I know that cos my workmates daughter was stuck on it
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: winston on April 17, 2014, 10:14:44 AM
Posted on another forum, the list below suggests that WR are now due 12 x DF Streetlites

First Bus orders & allocations for 2014

33831 – 33857 ADL / E400's for Rusholme
33858 – 33872 ADL / E400's for Sheffield
33873 – 33890 ADL / E400's for Bramley
44600 – 44636 ADL / E200's for Ravenhill
47466 – 47481 WB Streetlite's for Tameside
47482 – 47492 WB Streetlite's for Doncaster
47493 – 47500 WB Streetlite's for Huddersfield
47501 – 47506 WB Streetlite's for Gt. Yarmouth
47507 – 47518 WB Streetlite's for Worcester
47519 – 47528 WB Streetlite's for Hadleigh
47529 – 47534 WB Streetlite's for Scotland East
47535 – 47543 ? Not ordered ?
47544 – 47558 WB Streetlite's for Bath
47559 – 47571 WB Streetlite's for Hengrove
47572 ? Not ordered ?
47573 – 47594 WB Streetlite's for Hoeford
47595 – 47612 WB Streetlite's for Southampton
47613 – 47617 WB Streetlite's for Scotland East
47618 – 47628 WB Streetlite's for Parkhead
49901 – 49912 Optare Versa's for York
53501 – 53509 Optare Solo's for Hoeford
53510 – 53515 Optare Solo's for Weymouth
63119 – 63145 WB Streetlite's for Sheffield
63146 – 63156 WB Streetlite's for Rusholme
63157 – 63160 WB Streetlite's for Scotland East
63161 – 63170 WB Streetlite's for Hadleigh
63171 – 63180 WB Streetlite's for Leicester
63181 – 63189 WB Streetlite's for Weymouth
63190 – 63192 WB Streetlite's for Slough
63193 – 63218 WB Streetlite's for Aberdeen
63219 – 63223 WB Streetlite's for Scotland East
63224 – 63240 WB Streetlite's for Blantyre
64994 – 64997 Van-Hool A330's for Aberdeen
Title: Re: First places £70m Bus Order
Post by: Sayeed on July 21, 2014, 10:34:53 PM
Looking at First New Livery List (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lsyQ2uHRxWvGG1A6SB6uZnXcAMVD1glpScC0_JtVO-U/edit#gid=0), there are few changes;

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47501 – 47506 WB Streetlite's for Gt. Yarmouth
47507 – 47518 WB Streetlite's for Worcester
Worcester will get 6 Wright Streetlites just like posted on First group Fans yahoo group.

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47535 – 47543 ? Not ordered ?
So far 47535 - 47539 were ordered and delivered on 10/07 but with 61 & 63 reg plate and also, one of them is WF Streetlite: https://www.flickr.com/photos/benbeaver95/14440247530/

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47572 ? Not Ordered ?
On order for Bristol