11A/11C

[Trident 4194]

This route is beyond a joke. How the flaming hell you get so many E workings at 12:00 is ridiculous. I understand peak times traffic may be crap, but during the day it's stupid. Always seems to be 3 running together and I often end up waiting 20 minutes+ for a rammed e400mmc to arrive. I witnessed 2 E workings today and they were both at 11:40 heading in the same direction. One to harborne and one to bearwood. If you can't run the route split the stupid route. Unfortunately them tatty blue buses don't run no where near frequently enough to be of any use to me.

[MW]

That's the beauty of the 11 pal. It's always been like that lol

[Stu]

This route is beyond a joke. How the flaming hell you get so many E workings at 12:00 is ridiculous. I understand peak times traffic may be crap, but during the day it's stupid. Always seems to be 3 running together and I often end up waiting 20 minutes+ for a rammed e400mmc to arrive. I witnessed 2 E workings today and they were both at 11:40 heading in the same direction. One to harborne and one to bearwood. If you can't run the route split the stupid route. Unfortunately them tatty blue buses don't run no where near frequently enough to be of any use to me.

You do understand the route this service runs?

If the service is encountering delays, what would you expect AVL to do? Do nothing and let the service grind to a halt? Or adjust journeys (short -E workings) to get buses back elsewhere on the route to fill the gaps?

[Trident 4194]

You do understand the route this service runs?

If the service is encountering delays, what would you expect AVL to do? Do nothing and let the service grind to a halt? Or adjust journeys (short -E workings) to get buses back elsewhere on the route to fill the gaps?

These E workings never seem to fill the 20 minute + gaps I end up enduring on a daily basis. I used to see 11 turning left from the hagley road to the Lordswood road to fill in delays, nowadays there seems no such thing. I dread to think what the % ontime performance is for the service.

[Stuharris 6360]

so @Trident 4194 what would be your solution to the problem?

[Trident 4194]

so @Trident 4194 what would be your solution to the problem?

Split the route in two is solution A. Improve the timetable is solution B - even if it meant buses would run every 10 minutes but a lot more reliably, similar to what they did on the PN9. Solution C would be to have short runnings or shuttle services between key places, e.g. between Dudley road and cotteridge.

[mesub]

Unfortunately them tatty blue buses don't run no where near frequently enough to be of any use to me.

You mean social travel? They always seem to run at random times.

[Stu]

These E workings never seem to fill the 20 minute + gaps I end up enduring on a daily basis. I used to see 11 turning left from the hagley road to the Lordswood road to fill in delays, nowadays there seems no such thing. I dread to think what the % ontime performance is for the service.

You endure 20+ min gaps on your side of the city, I used to have to endure such gaps on my side of the city - when I lived in South Yardley.

Perhaps you don't see 'fill-in' buses coming down the Hagley Road to turn left onto Lordswood Road because those buses don't go that way because of congestion at Five Ways and along Hagley Road?

Do you know which garage runs the 11A/11C service and thus from where the buses have to travel?


Don't get me wrong, I do have to use the Outer Circle myself on occasion, and I know that its not perfect.

But I do accept that it is a 26 mile long route, that travels through all of Birmingham's outer suburbs, and crosses practically every main trunk route in and out of the city centre.

so @Trident 4194 what would be your solution to the problem?

The solution is probably to break up the Outer Circle into shorter, more manageable routes, but I too would like to hear their thoughts on how this should be done.

[MasterPlan]

You mean social travel? They always seem to run at random times.

I saw one of those in Selly Oak today going to the Dudley Road but I could've sworn they spelt Dudley wrong on the display.

[Sh4318]

These E workings never seem to fill the 20 minute + gaps I end up enduring on a daily basis. I used to see 11 turning left from the hagley road to the Lordswood road to fill in delays, nowadays there seems no such thing. I dread to think what the % ontime performance is for the service.

It's a 2 and a half hour route - on a good day, with a very high PVR and serves several roads that are either heavily congested or are having work done. I couldn't even begin to suggest a solution or an alternative

[Trident 4194]

I saw one of those in Selly Oak today going to the Dudley Road but I could've sworn they spelt Dudley wrong on the display.

Yes they spell it dudely I believe 😂😂

[Trident 4194]

It's a 2 and a half hour route - on a good day, with a very high PVR and serves several roads that are either heavily congested or are having work done. I couldn't even begin to suggest a solution or an alternative

Exactly and it simply is not viable route. I'm surprised they haven't had any regulators on there case about the terrible reliability

[Gareth]

Solution C would be to have short runnings

Your solution seems to be the reason for your original post about short running?

[Trident 4194]

Your solution seems to be the reason for your original post about short running?

I meant like a shuttle service between places which were timetabled.

[Jack]

I meant like a shuttle service between places which were timetabled.

What good would that do? That will just get stuck!