Preliminary road works have started at the top and bottom of Lower Bull Street for the Eastside extension.
Quote from: Stevo on December 05, 2020, 08:16:56 PM
Preliminary road works have started at the top and bottom of Lower Bull Street for the Eastside extension.
Will the buses have to move from Lower Bull Street when the Metro comes down to Eastside like they did with Corporation Street?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 05, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
Will the buses have to move from Lower Bull Street when the Metro comes down to Eastside like they did with Corporation Street?
It's possible they may have to move temporarily while works are in progress, but the CGI images suggest that buses will still be able to use Lower Bull Street once completed.
(https://metroalliance.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/eastsideblue.png)
Quote from: Stu on December 05, 2020, 08:45:58 PM
It's possible they may have to move temporarily while works are in progress, but the CGI images suggest that buses will still be able to use Lower Bull Street once completed.
(https://metroalliance.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/eastsideblue.png)
This is a bad idea in my opinion. Unless some buses get rerouted, High Street and Carrs Lane are gonna be blocked up.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 05, 2020, 09:38:21 PM
This is a bad idea in my opinion. Unless some buses get rerouted, High Street and Carrs Lane are gonna be blocked up.
Have you been to Edinburgh where trams and buses happily share the same road? One tram every 10 minutes isn't going to cause chaos
Quote from: Tony on December 05, 2020, 09:54:38 PM
Have you been to Edinburgh where trams and buses happily share the same road? One tram every 10 minutes isn't going to cause chaos
The proposed frequency is actually 6 minutes at peaks and every 15 at off-peaks.
Surely they don't want a repeat of what happens in Wolverhampton every time there is an incident on the roundabout?
I know it's infrequent before you say, but it does cause chaos every time.
If I'm reading this right they propose 15 min off peak & 6 peak from Eastside so with the library it will be 3 min Birmingham - wolverhampton & about about every 6 off peak is there enough passengers to warrant this & how many more trams are they having
Quote from: Solo1 on December 06, 2020, 09:40:49 AM
If I'm reading this right they propose 15 min off peak & 6 peak from Eastside so with the library it will be 3 min Birmingham - wolverhampton & about about every 6 off peak is there enough passengers to warrant this & how many more trams are they having
In 2019, WMCA signed a deal with CAF (the manufacturers of the trams) to order 21 more trans with an option to order 29 more (presumably for the Wednesbury- Brierley Hill and possibly Line 3).
Quoted from Wikipedia.
Quote from: Tony on December 05, 2020, 09:54:38 PM
Have you been to Edinburgh where trams and buses happily share the same road? One tram every 10 minutes isn't going to cause chaos
Yes, but Princes Street is wide enough to allow buses to serve bus stops and let trams/other traffic pass without blocking up the whole road.
Quote from: Pat on December 06, 2020, 06:56:40 PM
Yes, but Princes Street is wide enough to allow buses to serve bus stops and let trams/other traffic pass without blocking up the whole road.
There's more than one road in Edinburgh
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
There's more than one road in Edinburgh
Which are all wide enough to accommodate both.
Quote from: Pat on December 06, 2020, 08:16:17 PM
Which are all wide enough to accommodate both.
Edinburgh Council has plans to restructure bus services creating hubs potentially removing buses from parts of Princes Street to accommodate the pedestrian/tourist who they deem more important like many cities that depend on hospitality.
Buses don't call at all stop groups in Princes Street nowadays and some major routes have been permanently diverted to avoid the junction where the tram creeps out from St. Andrews Street near Waverley.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 05, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
Will the buses have to move from Lower Bull Street when the Metro comes down to Eastside like they did with Corporation Street?
Most likely they'll be moved to the stops on Albert Street, like they was nearly 9 years ago. Its chaos as it is now it'll be worse when they all move again.
Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2020, 10:36:14 AM
Most likely they'll be moved to the stops on Albert Street, like they was nearly 9 years ago. Its chaos as it is now it'll be worse when they all move again.
If Lower Bull Street closes at any point e.g. while work takes place, the Perry Barr/Sutton routes could also possibly be moved to Priory Queensway as well, as they can then turn right onto Corporation Street and go past Law Courts, etc at Old Square. Which would probably make sense.
And 14 and 55/94 could be put on Albert Street to make room for Perry Barr/Sutton routes on Priory Queensway, as they can go straight down Moor Street onto Jennens Road from there.
But from what's been said it sounds like other than any possible temporary move, the stops on Lower Bull Street will remain.
Quote from: 2206 on December 07, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
If Lower Bull Street closes at any point e.g. while work takes place, the Perry Barr/Sutton routes could also possibly be moved to Priory Queensway as well, as they can then turn right onto Corporation Street and go past Law Courts, etc at Old Square. Which would probably make sense.
And 14 and 55/94 could be put on Albert Street to make room for Perry Barr/Sutton routes on Priory Queensway, as they can go straight down Moor Street onto Jennens Road from there.
But from what's been said it sounds like other than any possible temporary move, the stops on Lower Bull Street will remain.
Shoving them onto Priory Queensway won't make it better and moving the 14/55/94 back to Albert Street either won't work. Theres even the 23/24 that will have to go along Priory Queensway as well if they are put that way.
The X16 could always load at the 74 stand by Old Square.
Move the X3/4/5 to the stands where Megabus used to load by the Children's Hospital (unload at the current stop by Sainsburys, head NIS to layover at the layover stop on St Chad's, then when its time go to stand use the stands on Colmore Circus) and then move the 14/55/94 to Albert Street and the Perry Barr/Harborne stuff to Priory?
Unrelated but I'd give the Cov Road some space by having the 17 move to Carrs Lane
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 07, 2020, 09:08:44 PM
The X16 could always load at the 74 stand by Old Square.
Move the X3/4/5 to the stands where Megabus used to load by the Children's Hospital (unload at the current stop by Sainsburys, head NIS to layover at the layover stop on St Chad's, then when its time go to stand use the stands on Colmore Circus) and then move the 14/55/94 to Albert Street and the Perry Barr/Harborne stuff to Priory?
Unrelated but I'd give the Cov Road some space by having the 17 move to Carrs Lane
Carrs Lane is as packed as it is...
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 07, 2020, 09:25:03 PM
Carrs Lane is as packed as it is...
I agree. But I think the 17 should stay outside Primark, its quite good because people can easily hop onto a 60 if they miss a 17 and vice versa.
But thinking about it, the Stratford Road services could swap with the 14/55/94 and have them on Carrs Lane with the 14 at the top and the 55/94 using the current 4/4A stand. I'd remove that stop on High Street its what causes Carrs Lane to be a standstill and it always has been.
Could possibly put the 65/66/67 onto Albert Street if the Suttons, A34 services, and Stratford Road buses went onto Priory Queensway...
Quote from: Jack on December 08, 2020, 12:02:34 AM
I agree. But I think the 17 should stay outside Primark, its quite good because people can easily hop onto a 60 if they miss a 17 and vice versa.
But thinking about it, the Stratford Road services could swap with the 14/55/94 and have them on Carrs Lane with the 14 at the top and the 55/94 using the current 4/4A stand. I'd remove that stop on High Street its what causes Carrs Lane to be a standstill and it always has been.
Could possibly put the 65/66/67 onto Albert Street if the Suttons, A34 services, and Stratford Road buses went onto Priory Queensway...
What about the X12 and the X70?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2020, 04:15:10 AM
What about the X12 and the X70?
Something less frequent like them could probably use the High Street stop as only 1 bus every 10 minutes?
Or could stay on Priory Queensway alternatively.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2020, 04:15:10 AM
What about the X12 and the X70?
They could move to the High Street stop as they aren't as frequent and its a bus every 10 minutes so it should be fine.
Quote from: Jack on December 08, 2020, 12:02:34 AM
I'd remove that stop on High Street its what causes Carrs Lane to be a standstill and it always has been.
On the small number of occasions I've ventured into the city centre, the current arrangement with the Stratford Road services seems to work nicely from my observation. Arriving buses unload on Carrs Lane and then wait there, only moving round to the High Street stop to pick up when they're ready to depart. When all is running to schedule, it means there's only one bus at a time loading, which allows other buses to flow past easily.
The problems come when you have more than one bus trying to load there, and one or the other can't get into the bay to park correctly.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/busy-city-centre-street-close-20294743
Work due to start on the extension down Lower Bull Street later this Spring.
QuoteBuses serving Lower Bull Street will be diverted to proposed additional stops at Albert Street, Corporation Street, Dale End and Moor Street Queensway.
That's going to be fun, especially for the Sutton Lines
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 31, 2021, 08:40:24 PM
That's going to be fun, especially for the Sutton Lines
I'd send them up Snow Hill Queensway, and have them use the stops on Colmore Circus Queensway that are currently out of use.
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 31, 2021, 08:40:24 PM
That's going to be fun, especially for the Sutton Lines
Might kick start the plans for cross-city routes.
Quote from: bususer28 on April 01, 2021, 11:00:35 AM
Might kick start the plans for cross-city routes.
But how would it though?
Dreading what Carrs Lane, Dale End and Albert Street will be like once again. Hopefully those traffic lights at the Dale End/Albert Street junction will have their timings sorted otherwise it will be come very congested and tight round that section.
Hopefully the 23/24 are to stop on Moor Street Queensway and not on Albert Street, they cause enough mayhem blocking Corporation Street for the Suttons and the limited stop and 33/51 services.
Surprised nothing has been put onto Priory Queensway and swapped stops with services there.
Lower Bull Street to close on June 6th.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0000478/16
110 timetable says it will be departing from Priory Queensway BS12. Are they putting a new stop in as that suggests it will be where the 55/94's layover before they depart? Presumably X3/X4/X5/X14 would also use it?
Will the 55/94 be staying there or are they going to move the stop somewhere else?
Priory Queensway is chokka as it is. No room for anything else.
New stopping locations for NX services can be found on traveline WM.
What it seems to be saying is:
Stratford Road 2/3/5/6 stopping at the current Coventry Road stop outside Primark.
33/51/X51 are stopping at the High Street stop outside Boots.
907/934/935/936/937/997 will stop at Dale End.
60/X1/X2/17 using current 97 stop outside Moor Street Station.
97 stopping on Albert Street.
X3/X4/X5/X14 will stop on Priory Queensway (current 65/67 stop).
65/66/67 moving to the other side of the road (current 45/47 stop).
45/47 no longer serving Priory Queensway.
23/24 will also be stopping on the stop at the very bottom of Moor Street Queensway, which I don't think has beeen in use for some time.
Quote from: 2206 on May 27, 2021, 09:10:52 AM
New stopping locations for NX services can be found on traveline WM.
What it seems to be saying is:
Stratford Road 2/3/5/6 stopping at the current Coventry Road stop outside Primark.
33/51/X51 are stopping at the High Street stop outside Boots.
907/934/935/936/937/997 will stop at Dale End.
60/X1/X2/17 using current 97 stop outside Moor Street Station.
97 stopping on Albert Street.
X3/X4/X5/X14 will stop on Priory Queensway (current 65/67 stop).
65/66/67 moving to the other side of the road (current 45/47 stop).
45/47 no longer serving Priory Queensway.
23/24 will also be stopping on the stop at the very bottom of Moor Street Queensway, which I don't think has beeen in use for some time.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/birmingham-city-centre-bus-stop-changes-from-6th-june-2021
Quote from: Stu on May 27, 2021, 06:02:09 PM
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/birmingham-city-centre-bus-stop-changes-from-6th-june-2021
Would it not make sense just to have one stop for the Stratford Road services as well? Why do they need 2 stops directly opposite each other MS4 & MS16? I don't think the X1/X2 serve both?
Sounds like when they had the 98/99 serving stops on both sides of Priory Queensway oddly.
Quote from: 2206 on May 27, 2021, 06:47:58 PM
Would it not make sense just to have one stop for the Stratford Road services as well? Why do they need 2 stops directly opposite each other MS4 & MS16? I don't think the X1/X2 serve both?
Please keep this thread on-topic and continue discussion of stop relocation in the existing topic:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5999.0
Quote from: Stu on May 27, 2021, 06:53:56 PM
Please keep this thread on-topic and continue discussion of stop relocation in the existing topic:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5999.0
But it was you who put the changes on this thread in the first place !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on May 29, 2021, 09:53:57 AM
But it was you who put the changes on this thread in the first place !
No, I responded to someone who had already posted about stop changes. When they tried to continue that discussion, that's when I asked for it to be continued in a more appropriate topic.
Lower Bull Street has now been tarmac'd over. So that will have to be dug up again at some point when the rails are ready to be laid.
I heard rumours from business owners in the Custard factory that the council have lost the funding for the Digbeth extension, not sure I believe it
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 06, 2022, 06:38:36 PMI heard rumours from business owners in the Custard factory that the council have lost the funding for the Digbeth extension, not sure I believe it
I don't believe it either, as I understand this is all being funded by the WMCA, not by Birmingham City Council.
QuoteI heard rumours from business owners in the Custard factory that the council have lost the funding for the Digbeth extension, not sure I believe it
So why are there lots of men in Hi-Vis Metro Alliance kit working on Digbeth?
Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2022, 07:49:04 PMSo why are there lots of men in Hi-Vis Metro Alliance kit working on Digbeth?
They were claiming the original plan has been curtailed and they are just tidying up the roads and pavements now.
The works are on pause during the games so they are making sure the pavements are clear and tidy and once games have finished work recommences
Quote from: Gareth on July 06, 2022, 06:29:05 PMLower Bull Street has now been tarmac'd over. So that will have to be dug up again at some point when the rails are ready to be laid.
dwhy didn't they just put the rails down & tarmac it or will they just sink the rails into the tarmac to save money on digging it up again
Remember how they did the temp tarmac at corporation street/new street to facilitate pride parade the other year.
MMA are doing the same for the commonwealth games so lower bull street can be opened up to the public for the duration of the games.
First tracks now down in Digbeth (https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/305436302_10160596321444365_9029716724297782041_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=1Dn6sDSScVcAX_TswzI&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AT9tMmpPx5eFrCfgjzUWrAG5EzHI8UN1Kcu8O5WQD_zW3A&oe=631AA08D)
Track now laid at the top of Lower Bull Street connecting with the existing triangle.
Quote from: Stevo on November 21, 2022, 05:40:44 PMTrack now laid at the top of Lower Bull Street connecting with the existing triangle.
That's actually been there since they relaid corporation street. It was covered up and tarmac'd over and now it's been uncovered again as they did up lower bull street for the umpteenth time. Looks like they're now getting ready maybe for laying some new track bed down. Unless they're waiting for Kings Parade to be demolished and flattened first.
All these roadworks in Digbeth are killing the local businesses, I know live there these days. When is it all due to be ready?
The website says landscaping and public realm works late 2022, tracklaying and completion late 2023. https://metroalliance.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/DHS-FAQs-_v3.pdf
2027 is the new opening date with the stop at Curzon opening two years later
Will the tram be going via, bull st, new meeting st.
Or dale end, Albert st.
Looks to be as if new meeting street. Now I've just looked on maps
Given they've yeeted the Kings Parade building out of existence (the one that had McDonalds and Madhouse in it), I'd thought they'd be going through that to New Meeting Street. Would seem weird to knock the building down and then take the metro around it.
https://metroalliance.co.uk/kings-parade-demolition-successfully-completed/
Quote from: ellspurs on September 23, 2023, 05:14:19 PMGiven they've yeeted the Kings Parade building out of existence (the one that had McDonalds and Madhouse in it), I'd thought they'd be going through that to New Meeting Street. Would seem weird to knock the building down and then take the metro around it.
https://metroalliance.co.uk/kings-parade-demolition-successfully-completed/
Yeah they had to knock them down for the turn, I just thought it could be making more of a straightforward approach or could be bending slight more towards dale end if that makes sense.
I think i sound dumb