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Thank you for that information. Are there any online sources of fleet information for 1987/88/89 and 90?

Was there any particular reason (non standard type etc) for why the N reg MCW bodied VRs were all taken out of service before 1986 and therefore not passing to WMT as I have seen many photos of these with other operators into the 1990s so they must have still been mechanically sound?

I suppose there was also a reduced requirement for buses in general upon deregulation, so older buses were targeted for withdrawal (buses up to around 1975). That 1974 batch of Leyland Nationals (1467-1526) did carry on though, perhaps single decks, over double, were a more precious commodity in 1986.

45xx and 46xx Fleetlines ran for TWM, although not for long. Several 6300 KONxxxP ones did too. The earliest Fleetline I recall being painted into the silver and blue red stripe TWM livery was 6443 NOC443R, although I'm sure someone more knowledgable than me can correct me on that.

Picture of 4590 running for TWM:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/8295511026/

Seems a few 46xx Fleetlines ran as late as 1988. I think 6443 was the lowest numbered repaint [open-top 4069 excluded] but there were some slightly older 1976-delivery 66xx Fleetlines which were painted as well.

Coventry is 'by2025'

Probably around 30-35 new buses each year, quite a lot then.

Will Coventry get all this years new buses moving the diesel fleet out? How many buses does NXC have?

Current NXC fleet:

10 E400EV (E020-29)
16 E200 (831-33/37-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
17 Trident (4370/99/4403/6-14; 4450-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
17 B7/Gemini (4660-75/78)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
20 E400MMC (6951-67; 7539-41)
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Would the (potential) all electric fleet have the same single/double deck split.

Re. the NXC list above - yes the return journeys are broadly the same. I think some of the inbound non-cross-city routes just display 'Coventry' - buses on the 12X certainly do. I don't get to see the school services too often, not sure if 'via' displays are even shown.

There are also the JLR contract services - but I'm not sure if these are running currently.

NXC routes with the 'via' information - just from my own observations/pictures posted on Facebook etc. Not sure if the few shorter 5 journey's to Holbrook Lane display 'Radford' and the 18A displays any via information at all? But generally speaking, cross-city services just display 'via Coventry' currently:

1 Chapelfields – (City, Earl Street) – Walsgrave "via Coventry"
3 Arena Park – (City, Burges) – Binley or University Hospital "via Coventry"
3S Blue Coat CofE School – City, Burges [am & pm]
5 Arena Park or Radford – City, Pool Meadow "via Coundon"
6 Little Heath – (City, Pool Meadow) - Tanyard Farm "via Coventry"
6A Victoria Farm or Little Heath – (City, Pool Meadow) - Tanyard Farm "via Coventry"
6S West Coventry Academy – City, Pool Meadow [pm only]
7 City, Pool Meadow - Brownshill Green or Lyons Park Amazon "via Coundon" / "via Coundon & Allesley"
8 Allesley Park – (City, Pool Meadow) - Walsgrave Triangle "via Coventry"
8A Allesley Park – (City, Pool Meadow) – Wood End "via Coventry"
8S Cardinal Wiseman School - City, Pool Meadow [am & pm]
9 Green Lane – (City, Pool Meadow) - University Hospital "via Coventry"
9A Green Lane – (City, Pool Meadow) - University Hospital "via Coventry"
9S Bishop Ullathorne School - City, Pool Meadow [pm only]
10 Bell Green – (City, Pool Meadow) – Hearsall Common or Tile Hill "via Coventry"
10A Bell Green – (City, Pool Meadow) - Westwood Business Park "via Coventry"
10B Cardinal Wiseman School – City, Pool Meadow [am & pm]
10S The Westwood Academy – City, Pool Meadow [pm only]
11 Coventry (Pool Meadow) – Leamington Spa "via University of Warwick"
12X Coventry (Pool Meadow) "Direct" - University of Warwick "Direct" or Canley "via University of Warwick"
13 Whitmore Park – (City, Burges) - Willenhall "via Coventry"
13A Whitmore Park – (City, Burges) - Willenhall "via Coventry"
14 City (Pool Meadow) – Eastern Green or Tile Hill or University of Warwick "via Eastern Green"
14A City (Pool Meadow) – Eastern Green or University of Warwick "via Eastern Green"
16 City (Burges) - Keresley Village "via Radford Road"
17 University Hospital – (City, Pool Meadow) – Fenside "via Coventry"
17A University Hospital – (City, Pool Meadow) – Fenside "via Coventry"
18 City (Pool Meadow) – Tile Hill "via Canley"
18A City (Pool Meadow) – Westwood Business Park "via Hearsall Common"
20 Coventry (Trinity Street) – Old Church Road or Bedworth or Nuneaton "via Foleshill Road"
20A City (Trinity Street) – University Hospital or Bell Green "via Foleshill Road"
20B City (Trinity Street) – Longford (Novotel) or Exhall (Bayton Road) "via Foleshill Road"
20C City (Trinity Street) – University Hospital "via Foleshill Road"
21 Wood End – (City, Hales Street/Trinity Street) - Willenhall "via Coventry"
21A Wood End – (City, Hales Street/Trinity Street) - Middlemarch Business Park "via Coventry"
21S Cardinal Wiseman School – (City, Hales Street/Trinity Street) - Willenhall "via Coventry" [am & pm]
52 Coventry (Blue Coat CofE School) – Bedworth [am & pm / pm to Ash Green via Bedworth]
57 West Coventry Academy – City, Pool Meadow or Allesley Park [pm only]
58 City, Trinity Street - West Coventry Academy [am & pm / pm to Hales Street]
58A Morrisons or Allesley Park - West Coventry Academy [am only]
58A West Coventry Academy – Radford [pm only]
59 Eastern Green - West Coventry Academy [am & pm]
85 Coventry (Pool Meadow) – Rugby
85A Coventry (Pool Meadow) – Rugby
85B Coventry (Pool Meadow) – Rugby
85S Coventry (Pool Meadow) - Rugby Schools [Rugby Harris School, Rugby High School, am & pm]
539 Coventry (Pool Meadow) - Kenilworth "via Baginton" [route variations]
580 Coventry (Pool Meadow) - Rugby "via Stretton & Dunchurch" [route variations]
585S Coventry (Pool Meadow) – Rugby Schools [Rugby Ashlawn School, am & pm]
A50 Amazon Rugby Gateway – Coventry Amazon
X30 Ansty Park – Coventry – Ansty Park "via Coventry Station" / "via Ansty Road"

They are fantastic! Love them all. A shame there's no proper WH example, but I'll settle for the excellent looking 7000!

I'm not much of an expert on bus models - but modelling the standard PTE Fleetline must be quite tricky, with its curves and angles.

NX are slightly incorrect in saying Ironmonger Row as BS6 is the first stop on Cross Cheaping/The Burges which at least has some shop frontage canopy for waiting passengers despite the obnoxious location and BS5 will get more busy with it's increased swathe of routes for the Allesley & Coundon directions - agreed Ironmonger Row TS5 is much in need of a cantilever shelter.

Yes, you are correct, BS6 is actually the Cross Cheaping/Burges stop - and it is a grim location!

I'm sure there used to be 6 cantilever shelters in that area; Adshel 0602 0133-0137/0145 (old stops C2 to C7). Stop C3 being removed after being damaged somehow and a pole inserted instead. I assume all the rest went when the area was 'refurbished'. This using older pics of the Burges area.

The route has to loop Trinity Street / The Burges anyway. This change in stand will reduce the walk to the centre of the City. Passengers for Pool Meadow can still alight / board at Sprinkles.

I wonder if TfWM will put up a shelter on Ironmonger Row, as its more than just a 'set down' stop. I presume Hales St has become too busy and congested. There was a perfectly good shelter on the old set-up (the centre island) - but the council saw fit to build that rather barren Ironmonger Square instead.

Probably just renumbering the 585 because most journeys also have a suffix and those long route numbers don't fit too well on side/rear displays of a E200.  Of course a '585S' will remain but isn't that a shiny double decker?

Looks a bit tidier just as 85, 85A etc - I suppose there's no real need for them to be in the 5xx series, most of Coventry's services are between 1-100. I do recall Midland Red (South, later-on) running lots of 5/6/7xx services though.

It's been missed off the transfer lists but 4568 & 4569 are back at Yardley Wood from Walsall @paulb1973

Yes, noted, I'll update my list. I've tried to avoid loans as Tony updates us on those on a separate thread.

Main site says 7515 - 7517 are going back to BC.
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html

Yes, they do indeed; so 146 total at AG and a mere 226 at BC (93 MMC's there!).

i do believe 1925 is also going to YW too just missed of the list

I have 1925 at PB. I also have StreetLites 431/3/5 at PB (not PN) with 432/4 still at Dundee.

With all those transfers occurring/occurred - is now a good time to post my garage totals (by vehicle type) list?! Does this look right - I've excluded trainers, preserved buses and the NX coaches and obviously all the withdrawn vehicles:

Acocks Green
19 Scania (1788-90/92-1807)
31 E200MMC (2201-31)
17 B7/ALX (4276-86/88-91/95/301)
35 B7/Gemini (4525-34; 4635-59)
47 E400MMC (6115-48; 6701-10; 7515-17)
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Birmingham Central
3 E200MMC (765/67-68)
62 Trident (4441-9/55-74; 4570-77; 4608-23/25-28/30-34)
50 E400 (4871-80/95-921/37-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
90 E400MMC (6825-92; 6945-50; 7518-33)
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Coventry
10 E400EV (E020-29)
16 E200 (831-33/37-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
17 Trident (4370/99/4403/6-14; 4450-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
17 B7/Gemini (4660-75/78)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
20 E400MMC (6951-67; 7539-41)
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Pensnett
34 Dart/E200 (729-34/54/56-57/801-4/21-30/34-36/63-70)
18 B7RLE (2094-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
10 Trident (4323-25/27/31-33/59-60/63)
9 E400 (4753-59/61-62)
40 E400MMC (6101-3/5-7/9-14; 6915-42)
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Perry Barr
3 Wright StreetLite (431/3/5)
66 Scania (1808-33; 1863-77; 1899-907/25; 7019-33)
31 B7/Gemini (4475-96/98-4505/7)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
41 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-53)
51 E400MMC (6796-6824; 6994-7000/7500-14)
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Walsall
12 E200 (805-8/55-62)
50 Scania (1834-62/78-98)
44 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19/24-35)
31 Trident (4125; 4306/34/40/42/44/46/48-49/51-52/54/58/65/67; 4568-69/94-4607)
22 E400 (4733-37; 4854-70)
48 E400MMC (6711-58)
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West Bromwich
20 E200 (755/58-64; 809-20)
21 Scania (1918/34-53)
7 E200MMC (2232-38)
13 B7/ALX (4237/39-41/44-45/53-54/66/70-73)
28 B7/Gemini (4506/8-19/21-24; 4679/87-96)
49 E400 (4738-52/60; 4950-82)
28 E400MMC (6104/8; 6968-93)
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Wolverhampton
13 E200 (751-53; 845-54)
75 B7RLE (2001-29/59-93; 2120-23/36-42)
41 Trident (4310-12/14/17-18; 4425-40; 4535-42/53/55-64)
10 E400 (4927-36)
30 E400H (5401-21; 5422-30)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
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Yardley Wood
19 E400EV (E001-19)
23 Scania (1909-17/19-24/26-33)
40 Trident (4321/82-90/92-94; 4544-52/65-67/78-92)
20 E400 (4718-32; 4922-26)
29 E400MMC (6893-914/43-44; 7534-38)
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Total 1572

The revised service 3 (Arena Park - City - Binley/UHCW) is that looping around Trinity St, Ironmonger Row, Burges, Hales St in both directions? I assume it is. So on journeys to Binley, the 3 uses White St, Hales St, looping past Primark then waits outside the Transport Museum as per the 23 to Binley previously?

I might grab a picture of those Electric buses at Brentwood Ave in Finham 'out in the sticks' - 34 mins past the hour to UHCW/46 past the hour to Leasowes Ave, according to the timetable.