How can we see new tenders?
Here are the TFWM lists
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/who-we-are/what-we-do/bus-services/bus-tenders/
I'm talking about what's out for tender, e.g the new 25 route how can we see these?
Quote from: Jack D on July 05, 2023, 06:40:30 PMI'm talking about what's out for tender, e.g the new 25 route how can we see these?
Don't think there made public only item iv ever found was the outcomes
Quote from: Jack D on July 05, 2023, 06:40:30 PMI'm talking about what's out for tender, e.g the new 25 route how can we see these?
You'll have to start up your own bus company and register with TfWM as an operator, then request invitations to bid on contracts.
Wonder when the results will be announced
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on July 12, 2023, 04:02:43 PMWonder when the results will be announced
Tenders are only being submitted by operators the end of this week.
As for results, probably only two weeks before like last time.
Any news on these October tenders?
Quote from: Jack D on September 02, 2023, 07:33:51 AMAny news on these October tenders?
Not yet
But the 96 has been awarded to national express
X21 going to merry hill via 002 route hourly on Sundays, I wonder if the Diamonds 002 will be renumbered to 21?
@Simon Dunn
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on September 02, 2023, 07:38:50 AMNot yet
But the 96 has been awarded to national express
Why would they want to go back on a service they withdrew last time? Are they going to make changes to it?
Quote from: Jack D on September 03, 2023, 05:13:39 PMWhy would they want to go back on a service they withdrew last time? Are they going to make changes to it?
It's tendered!
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on September 02, 2023, 07:38:50 AMNot yet
But the 96 has been awarded to national express
Are they running it to the airport
From what I think I understand it is just the daytime journeys Mon-Sat that Diamond took on an emergency tender earlier in the year. Diamond are still operating the evening/Sunday journeys to the Airport.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 02, 2023, 10:44:20 AMX21 going to merry hill via 002 route hourly on Sundays, I wonder if the Diamonds 002 will be renumbered to 21? @Simon Dunn
If anything, the X21 should be renumbered 21 and these Merry Hill runs numbered 21A.
Will the 96 Intake a new route then?
QuoteIf anything, the X21 should be renumbered 21 and these Merry Hill runs numbered 21A.
But does the x21 have a quicker running as it has X in front of it?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 04, 2023, 09:50:16 PMBut does the x21 have a quicker running as it has X in front of it?
Not really.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 04, 2023, 09:50:16 PMBut does the x21 have a quicker running as it has X in front of it?
The reason its called the X21 was because it went limited stop from University to Birmingham. but that got changed a month after the route became a thing.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on September 04, 2023, 11:42:34 PMThe reason its called the X21 was because it went limited stop from University to Birmingham. but that got changed a month after the route became a thing.
Would make sense to renumber the 002 to 21 so it fits in between Bartley Green and Merry Hill.
A U prefix could also make sense maybe U21/U22
Quote from: 2206 on September 04, 2023, 11:51:54 PMWould make sense to renumber the 002 to 21 so it fits in between Bartley Green and Merry Hill.
A U prefix could also make sense maybe U21/U22
A U is unnecessary. I doubt the 002 would ever be renumbered whilst Diamond operated, but if so there are other numbers that are available, 25, 26 etc.
The main reason for renumbering the X21 as X21A doesn't look right.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 04, 2023, 09:50:16 PMBut does the x21 have a quicker running as it has X in front of it?
It's an all-stops service other than missing one stop on Bath Row that the 80 serves. The X is mis-leading.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 05, 2023, 06:33:47 AMA U is unnecessary. I doubt the 002 would ever be renumbered whilst Diamond operated, but if so there are other numbers that are available, 25, 26 etc.
The main reason for renumbering the X21 as X21A doesn't look right.
Then there'd be 2 25's at Merry Hill.
U21/21 or X21/21 would make more sense than X21/002 I think. As other than the bit between Newman University and Weoley Castle they should be the same route.
Quote from: 2206 on September 05, 2023, 11:05:32 AMThen there'd be 2 25's at Merry Hill.
U21/21 or X21/21 would make more sense than X21/002 I think. As other than the bit between Newman University and Weoley Castle they should be the same route.
X21 and X22 should be 21 and 22 for what it's worth of those bothered them having an X in front of them. Could even remember the journeys to Merry Hill as an A or even 21M.
Quote from: 2206 on September 05, 2023, 11:05:32 AMThen there'd be 2 25's at Merry Hill.
U21/21 or X21/21 would make more sense than X21/002 I think. As other than the bit between Newman University and Weoley Castle they should be the same route.
Why wouldn't 002 make sense? It's been running for years, pretty sure it's well known where the 002 goes.
002 is fine.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 05, 2023, 01:48:16 PMWhy wouldn't 002 make sense? It's been running for years, pretty sure it's well known where the 002 goes.
002 is fine.
So is the X21 but apparently it needs renumbering...
Quote from: Jack on September 05, 2023, 02:12:44 PMSo is the X21 but apparently it needs renumbering...
Actually I said if either needs renumbering it would be the X21 in response to someone else's comment about renumbering the 002.
Yes people know where the X21 goes too but it is getting a variation whereas the 002 isn't. 21/21A would identify the two different routes on a Sunday better than both being called X21 similar to the 16/16A.
I never said it had to, it was a suggestion. There's no need to be snarky.
When will these be released? Still can't see anything
Quote from: Jack D on September 11, 2023, 07:42:18 PMWhen will these be released? Still can't see anything
Probably the last 2 weeks of September
Couple more tenders gone out this afternoon. 👀
20/21 (Bearwood)
71 (Sundays only)
Quote from: MW on September 12, 2023, 03:59:38 PMCouple more tenders gone out this afternoon. 👀
20/21 (Bearwood)
71 (Sundays only)
Stagecoach not chucking that one back already are they?
Quote from: Lukeee on September 12, 2023, 09:44:08 PMStagecoach not chucking that one back already are they?
Maybe it just expired.
Quote from: winston on September 12, 2023, 09:55:49 PMMaybe it just expired.
Could have, seems short for a contract though, they only had it back in January
Quote from: Lukeee on September 13, 2023, 11:10:15 AMCould have, seems short for a contract though, they only had it back in January
The tender that went out in January was for 43 weeks (till 28th October 2023).
Quote from: MW on September 13, 2023, 11:16:35 AMThe tender that went out in January was for 43 weeks (till 28th October 2023).
Ah OK makes sense, just assumed it would of been longer, 43 weeks seems a short time
Any new updates
Quote from: Jack D on September 17, 2023, 11:30:19 PMAny new updates
If there was an update, it would have been posted.
Before anybody moans, this is just hypothetical curiosity, but would it be possible for any of the stops between Bartley Green and Merry Hill on the 002 to be missed out by the X21 making it limited stop along that section?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 18, 2023, 05:07:14 PMBefore anybody moans, this is just hypothetical curiosity, but would it be possible for any of the stops between Bartley Green and Merry Hill on the 002 to be missed out by the X21 making it limited stop along that section?
Might be possible on the section shared with the 9. Spies Lane up to Colley Gate maybe?
Like how the X8/X10 miss out some 9 stops between City and Quinton.
Quote from: Jack D on September 17, 2023, 11:30:19 PMAny new updates
Service 45 has been retendered (early and late Mon - Sat journeys) and Sunday timetable following a commercial registration of the daytime service
Quote from: metrocity on September 18, 2023, 08:08:23 PMService 45 has been retendered (early and late Mon - Sat journeys) and Sunday timetable following a commercial registration of the daytime service
Probably old news but I've not come across it before, but TfWM are stating that adult fares must not exceed £2.70 and child fares must not exceed £1.50.
Is this the new fare structure from the end of October? (Unless any government funding gets extended).
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2023, 08:45:51 PMProbably old news but I've not come across it before, but TfWM are stating that adult fares must not exceed £2.70 and child fares must not exceed £1.50.
Is this the new fare structure from the end of October? (Unless any government funding gets extended).
Single or daysavers
QuoteSingle or daysavers
Obviously singles....
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 04, 2023, 06:14:56 PMIf anything, the X21 should be renumbered 21 and these Merry Hill runs numbered 21A.
No
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 02, 2023, 10:44:20 AMX21 going to merry hill via 002 route hourly on Sundays, I wonder if the Diamonds 002 will be renumbered to 21? @Simon Dunn
No
New X1 timetable on traveline are we nearer to finding out the changes
Will the Sunday X10 timetable be changed with the extended X21 (heading both to Birmingham)
Why?
Quote from: Owen on September 28, 2023, 07:08:20 PMWill the Sunday X10 timetable be changed with the extended X21 (heading both to Birmingham)
I cannot imagine there are many passengers in Birmingham who would travel on either service all the way to Merry Hill, they aren't exactly quick express routes.
Most people using transport from Birmingham would go on the train to Cradley Heath and change to a local bus for Merry Hill at the interchange.
Quote from: j789 on September 28, 2023, 07:20:10 PMI cannot imagine there are many passengers in Birmingham who would travel on either service all the way to Merry Hill, they aren't exactly quick express routes.
Most people using transport from Birmingham would go on the train to Cradley Heath and change to a local bus for Merry Hill at the interchange.
I meant the fact on their way from merry hill, they'll both serve Halesowen and (near Quinton on X21) before hitting Bartley green and Ridgacre.
Even though they'll take different routes, People don't want to be waiting around for a bus so people going from Halesowen and merry hill would probably appreciate the fact they can get on either nxbus at a reasonable timing.
Quote from: Owen on September 28, 2023, 07:08:20 PMWill the Sunday X10 timetable be changed with the extended X21 (heading both to Birmingham)
No.
The extended X21 is simply to replace the current contracted 002 service on Sunday between Weoley Castle and Merry Hill.
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2023, 08:45:51 PMProbably old news but I've not come across it before, but TfWM are stating that adult fares must not exceed £2.70 and child fares must not exceed £1.50.
Is this the new fare structure from the end of October? (Unless any government funding gets extended).
The £2.70 is government funded I think. I seem to recall that it was stated back in about June I think that the government funded fares would be increased to this amount in October.
I am curious as to why NX bid to win the 002 Sunday tender to be honest, is it just a temporary measure until a more permanent solution can be found with another operator? Otherwise, I'm not sure what NX gain from it.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on September 28, 2023, 08:07:31 PMThe £2.70 is government funded I think. I seem to recall that it was stated back in about June I think that the government funded fares would be increased to this amount in October.
The funded capped bus fare is going up to £2.50 from the 1st November 2023 and will last until 30 November 2024.
The £2.70 fare would have been the max single price had the fare cap not been in place.
Quote from: D10 on September 28, 2023, 08:23:02 PMThe funded capped bus fare is going up to £2.50 from the 1st November 2023 and will last until 30 November 2024.
The £2.70 fare would have been the max single price had the fare cap not been in place.
Have nx said there staying in the 2.50 fare cap yet?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 28, 2023, 08:22:52 PMI am curious as to why NX bid to win the 002 Sunday tender to be honest, is it just a temporary measure until a more permanent solution can be found with another operator? Otherwise, I'm not sure what NX gain from it.
Why wouldn't they bid?
What do you think they gain from it, If they have priced the tender properly they make money from it
Quote from: Rachvince53 on September 28, 2023, 08:07:31 PMThe £2.70 is government funded I think. I seem to recall that it was stated back in about June I think that the government funded fares would be increased to this amount in October.
Incorrect misinformation.
The maximum single fare stipulated by TfWM recently increased to £2.70.
Government funding as part of its Help For Households scheme keeps single journey bus fares capped at a maximum of £2.00 - the government is only funding the difference.
From November 1st, the maximum cap allowance increases to £2.50. It is not yet known if TfWM or it's operators will continue to participate in this scheme after this date.
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2023, 08:35:15 PMWhy wouldn't they bid?
What do you think they gain from it, If they have priced the tender properly they make money from it
I don't know, I was just wondering to be honest. But if they can make it work then fair play.
25 & 600 being scrapped, but wasn't there a new route covering the 25?
Just looked on TFWM and the changes are there, there is a new 67A and 71A wander what these are
Quote from: Jack D on September 28, 2023, 09:52:56 PMJust looked on TFWM and the changes are there, there is a new 67A and 71A wander what these are
variations of the existing 67/71 that will serve the amazon warehouse in sutton see the "october changes" thread in the nxwm category
Quote from: Jack D on September 28, 2023, 09:52:56 PMJust looked on TFWM and the changes are there, there is a new 67A and 71A wander what these are
Serving the new Amazon distribution centre
Frequently or just a couple times a day?
Quote from: Jack D on September 28, 2023, 11:11:27 PMFrequently or just a couple times a day?
Would imagine be around shift change over times
There's a timetable on national express Twitter / X it's a couple of times a day
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/67a-birmingham-peddimore-minworth?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo
Quote from: samuel derrington on September 29, 2023, 12:00:59 PMThere's a timetable on national express Twitter / X it's a couple of times a day
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/67a-birmingham-peddimore-minworth?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo
Actually it's more than a couple times per day. It's 5 to 6 journeys during the morning/afternoon each day, ie 2 or 3 in the morning and three each way in the late afternoon
Rumours going around NX WB will be doing the 20/21/22 oldbury to bearwood routes, 7** with WB training office staff all on board knocking around pound rd
What's going to be covering the tendered parts of the 25 in bromford? E.g Collingbourne Ave... wasn't there the route that went out for tender which was Small Heath - castle vale via the fort?
Quote from: Jack D on October 10, 2023, 11:49:41 AMWhat's going to be covering the tendered parts of the 25 in bromford? E.g Collingbourne Ave... wasn't there the route that went out for tender which was Small Heath - castle vale via the fort?
It wasn't awarded
Quote from: Jack D on October 10, 2023, 11:49:41 AMWhat's going to be covering the tendered parts of the 25 in bromford? E.g Collingbourne Ave...
It's not being replaced. There were not enough passengers to justify the subsidy.
Quote from: Stu on October 10, 2023, 07:22:10 PMIt's not being replaced. There were not enough passengers to justify the subsidy.
Collingboure Avenue also still has the X12/X13 on Chipperfield Road at the end of the road.
Or if you are going to Erdington you can get the 28 from the Hunters Moon or 11A/11C from stops on Bromford Lane.
Quote from: Stu on October 10, 2023, 07:22:10 PMIt's not being replaced. There were not enough passengers to justify the subsidy.
to add, the reasons why the 25/600 ended up dying out was because the areas they run in are very saturated with high-frequency routes such as the sutton lines,28,X12/13/14 and the 65/67 so it only ever carried people who didnt want to walk the extra min or two which was very little.
New X21 timetable with the Merry Hill journeys from 29/10 on tfwm website.
https://legacy.wmnetwork.co.uk/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_33X21_B_H_y11_64-64
X21/X22 up to 7-8 mins between 4:35 and 5:05. With another slight increase around half 3.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 10, 2023, 10:21:46 PMNew X21 timetable with the Merry Hill journeys from 29/10 on tfwm website.
https://legacy.wmnetwork.co.uk/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_33X21_B_H_y11_64-64
X21/X22 up to 7-8 mins between 4:35 and 5:05. With another slight increase around half 3.
Looks like X21 will run Adams Hill, Romsley Road then as 002.
Carmel Grove stop served by the X22 instead Which will run Jiggins Lane, Adams Hill, Wood Lane, Kitwell Lane, Balmoral Road, Scotlands Lane, Fields Lane. So passengers for the City will have to board on the other side of the road on that part of the X22.
Quote from: 2206 on October 10, 2023, 10:30:31 PMLooks like X21 will run Adams Hill, Romsley Road then as 002.
Carmel Grove stop served by the X22 instead Which will run Jiggins Lane, Adams Hill, Wood Lane, Kitwell Lane, Balmoral Road, Scotlands Lane, Fields Lane. So passengers for the City will have to board on the other side of the road on that part of the X22.
Didn't even spot that, I'm surprised at that. I thought it would carry on all the way up Adams Hill as it does now and just turn onto Woodgate Lane to do the 002 section from there.
Also I wonder if the X22 destination displays will be changed to say Bartley Green instead then.
Looks like the 002 will have a bit of competition. Maybe Diamond will put more Streetdecks back on it
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 11, 2023, 04:50:16 PMLooks like the 002 will have a bit of competition. Maybe Diamond will put more Streetdecks back on it
What are you on about?
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2023, 04:57:39 PMWhat are you on about?
He's on his spacedust I think
Does he know nx won sunday tender
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 11, 2023, 04:50:16 PMLooks like the 002 will have a bit of competition. Maybe Diamond will put more Streetdecks back on it
NX have won the tender for Sunday services which will see the X21 extended to Merry Hill REPLACING the Diamond 002 on that day only. The rest of the week Diamond will continue to run the 002 as now.
I didnt know my bad
So route 5 codsall to wolvo the evening and sunday journeys have apparently been put out for tender?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on October 12, 2023, 05:56:47 PMSo route 5 codsall to wolvo the evening and sunday journeys have apparently been put out for tender?
Nx to win the tender?
Quote from: Westy on October 12, 2023, 07:33:06 PMNx to win the tender?
Could be or Diamond in place of tenders lost elsewhere.
Anyone know when the new tenders will be announced and also the start dates of them
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on October 17, 2023, 01:23:23 PMAnyone know when the new tenders will be announced and also the start dates of them
Start dates are 29th October
Quote from: 2206 on October 10, 2023, 10:43:50 PMLooks like X21 will run Adams Hill, Romsley Road then as 002.
Carmel Grove stop served by the X22 instead Which will run Jiggins Lane, Adams Hill, Wood Lane, Kitwell Lane, Balmoral Road, Scotlands Lane, Fields Lane. So passengers for the City will have to board on the other side of the road on that part of the X22.
This seems to be the case. Posters are now on bus stops.
(Please excuse the less than ideal photo quality, the rain didn't make it easy!)
Just curious, are the Bartley Green changes to the X21 and X22 because of the tender award or would they have happened anyway?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on October 13, 2023, 08:44:07 PMCould be or Diamond in place of tenders lost elsewhere.
See Gavin Williamson is lending his support to the campaign to 'save' the service!
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 18, 2023, 04:37:43 PMJust curious, are the Bartley Green changes to the X21 and X22 because of the tender award or would they have happened anyway?
Since the withdrawal of the 22 and X64, the Barley Green routing of the x21, x22 and 23 seems quite complicated.
Quote from: Westy on October 18, 2023, 06:53:20 PMSee Gavin Williamson is lending his support to the campaign to 'save' the service!
Isn't there an election soon?!
Quote from: Rachvince53 on October 19, 2023, 05:28:18 PMIsn't there an election soon?!
There is, but he's standing in a revised area, but I can't remember if Codsall is part of the new constituncey he's standing in or not?
QuoteThere is, but he's standing in a revised area, but I can't remember if Codsall is part of the new constituncey he's standing in or not?
South Staffordshire constituency will now include Kingswinford...
Quote from: sonic84 on October 19, 2023, 04:53:16 PMSince the withdrawal of the 22 and X64, the Barley Green routing of the x21, x22 and 23 seems quite complicated.
It's just how the roads in the area are, unfortunately.
There needs to be a balance between the 'sub-areas' served and efficiency.
When part of the route is unavailable (e.g. Woodgate Lane on the 23), diversions can be long winded, so I do think the route planning team is doing a good job.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on October 12, 2023, 05:56:47 PMSo route 5 codsall to wolvo the evening and sunday journeys have apparently been put out for tender?
No evening or Sunday buses will operate on the 5 or 5A.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on October 22, 2023, 07:49:15 PMNo evening or Sunday buses will operate on the 5 or 5A.
according to bilbrook parish council they may be subsidising evening and sunday service, as there was a timetable albeit the 11.10 wolves to codsall and 11.42 codsallto wolves wasnt running
Quote from: mranon on October 22, 2023, 08:30:15 PMaccording to bilbrook parish council they may be subsidising evening and sunday service, as there was a timetable albeit the 11.10 wolves to codsall and 11.42 codsallto wolves wasnt running
The Bilbrook Facebook page seems to think a tender for evening and Sunday service has been won by Chaserider.
They have its on there website
Quote from: Jimboe89 on October 24, 2023, 05:13:43 PMThe Bilbrook Facebook page seems to think a tender for evening and Sunday service has been won by Chaserider.
My apologies, my information was based on the information on the TfWM website which stated that no evening or Sunday service would operate.
Chaserider will run on service 5 only to a similar timetable to the current NX timetable. However the last journey each way will not run (eg 11.10pm to Codsall).
Please note that as Chaserider don't start operating service 5 Wolverhampton to Codsall until tomorrow, there is no service on this route today (Sunday 5th November).
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 05, 2023, 09:45:33 AMPlease note that as Chaserider don't start operating service 5 Wolverhampton to Codsall until tomorrow, there is no service on this route today (Sunday 5th November).
Someone's fouled up then, if they've havent accounted for that!
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 05, 2023, 09:45:33 AMPlease note that as Chaserider don't start operating service 5 Wolverhampton to Codsall until tomorrow, there is no service on this route today (Sunday 5th November).
Actually they ARE running it from today, originally I'm led to believe that they had been told that it was from tomorrow however they received an email this week from TfWM confirming that they was starting operating from today 05/11/23 they hadn't been prepared because it wasn't programmed into the blinds and neither have the ticket machines been progarmmed with the route on so according to what I have been told there is a driver on it today driving but he cannot take fares because like I said it not being programmed into the ticket machine(s) and according to what I was told it is allegedly tracking as Rail Replacemnt but Chaserider unlike Diamond do not track on bus times as rail replacement but the bus is definitely out there somewhere it's either going to be 505 or 506.
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 05, 2023, 04:12:27 PMActually they ARE running it from today, originally I'm led to believe that they had been told that it was from tomorrow however they received an email this week from TfWM confirming that they was starting operating from today 05/11/23 they hadn't been prepared because it wasn't programmed into the blinds and neither have the ticket machines been progarmmed with the route on so according to what I have been told there is a driver on it today driving but he cannot take fares because like I said it not being programmed into the ticket machine(s) and according to what I was told it is allegedly tracking as Rail Replacemnt but Chaserider unlike Diamond do not track on bus times as rail replacement but the bus is definitely out there somewhere it's either going to be 505 or 506.
Thanks. I thought it odd that there was to be no Sunday service today on a subsidised service. Normally if a service has Sunday journeys, then that's the day changes take effect.
Changes to routes from 25/2/24.
X64 - New Service. Birmingham to Minworth Peddimore via Aston, Erdington, The Fort, Castle Vale.
64 - New Service Nechells to Minworth Peddimore via Erdington, The Fort, Bromford Road (Hodge Hill), Castle Vale, Asda.
Good to see more connections to the fort
n-ps-01-02-2024.pdf (tfwm.org.uk) (https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/krdblwvk/n-ps-01-02-2024.pdf)
Timetables and route maps are on TFWM website.