Whittles

[hartshill busman 724210]

192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The  connecta  tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.

[sonic84]

It's disappointing the link to stourport is being lost as that was very useful.

If diamond had any sense they would extend the 192 back into birmingham as it was use particular well during peaks and for the people of hayley green provided the only direct link to the city centre.

I do believe there is also scope for the 125 to be extended to Merry Hill.  I am award it hasn't worked in the past, but as Whittles have built up to Stourbridge to Kidderminster section it forms perfect grounding to build on it further.

[Cedric]

PD1021409/73 - CEN GROUP LIMITED, UNIT 14A, TAMEBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, ALDRIDGE ROAD, PERRY BARR, BIRMINGHAM, B42 2TX

Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Stourbridge Bus Station
Finish Point: Bridgnorth
Via: Kidderminster, Bewdley, Highley
Service Number: 125
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 05-JAN-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday, excluding public holidays

[PM]

192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The  connecta  tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.

Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.

[Cedric]

there are various types on conecta ticket rather than list them all  and how they area valid
the main  one Is valid on all services within Worcestershire and any operator
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/info/20021/buses/836/about_the_connecta_scheme

[PM]

there are various types on conecta ticket rather than list them all  and how they area valid
the main  one Is valid on all services within Worcestershire and any operator
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/info/20021/buses/836/about_the_connecta_scheme

But not on connecting services which enter the WM. So, Halesowen bus station to Bromsgrove to Redditch could be done on a Diamond Network ticket. But, if you wanted to catch the 147 you would need a single to the border and then a Connecta which would be far more costly. Using the Kidderminster services as an example. Currently, to use a Diamond network to go from Halesowen to Kidderminster, you have to catch the 202 and X3. But, fairly soon it'll be possible on just the 192 which is more passenger friendly. Such journeys may be rare but integrated transport seems to be a political buzz-word and this is what networks offer.

[hartshill busman 724210]

192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The  connecta  tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.

Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.

Missed my point diamond dart.
A supporting authority doesn't want people on a route their supporting going out of area ,they want the support that they give to benefit town centres/ communities inside their areas which is why with the exception of the north east multi area tickets are not supported.

[PM]

192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The  connecta  tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.

Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.

Missed my point diamond dart.
A supporting authority doesn't want people on a route their supporting going out of area ,they want the support that they give to benefit town centres/ communities inside their areas which is why with the exception of the north east multi area tickets are not supported.

They are though! There's a Sussex explorer as well, plus Ride Cornwall.

I'm not disagreeing with what you say above ie county councils wanting to priortise their own areas. My point is, Connecta is all well and good for journeys WITHIN Worcestershire. Where it falls down is routes like the 192/202 where people either have to buy singles on top, a one operator ticket which limits them to their services or an nbus for services to the Worcestershire border. Surely I'm not the only one to find it easier to get one ticket than several?!

[Tony]

192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The  connecta  tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.

Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.

Missed my point diamond dart.
A supporting authority doesn't want people on a route their supporting going out of area ,they want the support that they give to benefit town centres/ communities inside their areas which is why with the exception of the north east multi area tickets are not supported.

There is always the problem of where do you draw the line to stop validity. However large the area becomes there will always be someone wanting to use it on the bus to the next town down the road, That's before the complications of splitting the revenue up between all participating operators becomes so expensive there is actually no money left to split up!

[Reece]

Whittles Kidderminster School services 831 & 833 have gone to Diamond Bus. :)

http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4719/bus_service_changes_24-12-2014#page8

[Cedric]

Whittles Kidderminster School services 831 & 833 have gone to Diamond Bus. :)

http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4719/bus_service_changes_24-12-2014#page8

the  new 833 is  to a  new route  Blakebrook - stourport rd-worcester road-spennels- offmore- wolverley school
the chadsley section is now  a school contract  not advertised

[Cedric]

well today see's the start of last week of whittles bus services
19.53 is the last bus back in to Kidderminster a 125 from bridgnorth
does not finish at bus station finish at   swan centre

[James4368]

YX07HJJ made an appearance on NX409 (Duplicate) today

[Cedric]

I know when it was thought diamond where taking over (before it fell through) the whittles name was just going to be a brand name , not a company. What is the situation  with Johnson take over will whittles be a brand name or a company within in the Johnson group ?
are the whittles buses all going back  to hull , or have/will some of them be sold , I know Coniston where trying to buy some from them or else where  as there coaches will be no good for the  15 or there own service  213 when the DDA act comes in

[StourportSam]

I know when it was thought diamond where taking over (before it fell through) the whittles name was just going to be a brand name , not a company. What is the situation  with Johnson take over will whittles be a brand name or a company within in the Johnson group ?
are the whittles buses all going back  to hull , or have/will some of them be sold , I know Coniston where trying to buy some from them or else where  as there coaches will be no good for the  15 or there own service  213 when the DDA act comes in

I suspect if Coniston do buy some buses from EYMS 167, 168 and 169 would be likely candidates. EYMS seem to have little requirement for them, especially as former Whittle 165 and 166 were sold after returning to EY.

Apart from 163 and possibly 173-176, all other Whittle buses seem to have a lot of life left in them. 164 and 170 never seem all that healthy though.