London Midland Trains

[Kevin]

Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable  ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned. Give me a Sprinter any day.  They didn't need to electrify the line really....  maximum 3 carriage trains after electrification then...sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride

Are you for real?
Worse legroom on a 323 that the 150s?
I'm 6ft 4, I have never had problems on the 323s, but if I was ever on the LM 150s I wouldn't even bother attempting sitting down cannot physically fold myself into them seats

[Cheese]

Are you for real?
Worse legroom on a 323 that the 150s?
I'm 6ft 4, I have never had problems on the 323s, but if I was ever on the LM 150s I wouldn't even bother attempting sitting down cannot physically fold myself into them seats

Well said, the 150s were terrible for legroom but having used 323s most days for the past 10 years they are perfectly fine. And not uncomfortable, even on a long trip having done 50 or so mins on one back from Lichfield City to Bournville on Tuesday night.

[Bob]

I had no problems whatsoever on the 150 the 323 have crap legroom. 150 was a little tight but not as bad as 153s. My knees are up the back of the seat in front on a 323

[Bob]

And the seats on 323s are absolutely rock hard there's barely any padding left on em!

[uniquicity]

If you want rock hard seats try the Metro. 323s are heaven in comparison.

[tank90]

"Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable  ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned" "sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride"

Well, I much prefer a 323 to a voyagers vestibule floor near the disabled toilet on a journey from New Street to Temple Meads and a 323 is also more comfortable than the vestibule of a MK3 with wet carpet from Temple Meads to New Street. The only thing good about a packed DB XC HST MK3 carriage is the window you can open.

If I am being honest anything can be cramped uncomfortable but it's all down to what you want from the journey. if its comfort then I would suggest you find a short man and get a Rolls Royce because that will give comfort.

And as for your comment "it'll be an uncomfortable ride" I think that 323's aren't bad I have travelled on worse on the National Network.

[598]

Well, I much prefer a 323 to a voyagers vestibule floor near the disabled toilet on a journey from New Street to Temple Meads and a 323 is also more comfortable than the vestibule of a MK3 with wet carpet from Temple Meads to New Street. The only thing good about a packed DB XC HST MK3 carriage is the window you can open.

Not for much longer......  :D

[Kevin]

I had no problems whatsoever on the 150 the 323 have crap legroom. 150 was a little tight but not as bad as 153s. My knees are up the back of the seat in front on a 323

Nah
Not buying it
For your knees to be right up the back of the seat in front you'd have to be similar height to me
Would be literally impossible for you to fit into the seats on 150s and sit facing forward

[Sh4318]

Yep so we're getting 323s which are old uncomfortable  ( worse legroom than 150s) and not air conditioned. Give me a Sprinter any day.  They didn't need to electrify the line really....  maximum 3 carriage trains after electrification then...sure there'll be more seats but it'll be an uncomfortable ride

Worse legroom than the 150s? Are you sure about that ???

There's absolutely nothing uncomfortable about the 323s

[BK63 YWP]

Don't forget the table seats on the 170s !!!

[Trident 4194]

Don't forget the table seats on the 170s !!!

170s are the most comfortable trains I've ever travelled on

[BK63 YWP]

Try getting into the table seat!!

[Trident 4194]

Try getting into the table seat!!

Is it meant to be difficult?  I can sit down at the table seats with ease

[BK63 YWP]

You are probably as thin as a rake! For some people that has a big bootee it can be a little tight!

[Trident 4194]

You are probably as thin as a rake! For some people that has a big bootee it can be a little tight!

Oh ok haha.