Ticket price changes 30th June 2024

[Stu]

In my opinion, the £2 fare cap should have been the catalyst to encourage more people to travel by bus, and more often.

'Tempt' people into 'trying' the bus with the 'cheap £2 fare', and then as they use buses more often, encourage them to take up weekly or monthly passes, which work out even better value for money.

People who use contactless cards to 'tap-and-go' have benefitted from daily and weekly fare caps of course, but I wonder how many people pay £2 cash on each bus they travel on, unaware that day/week/month tickets probably work out cheaper for them.

The fare cap wasn't supposed to last for this long after all.

It would be interesting to see data on how many £2 single fares have been issued in the last couple of years, and whether there has been any increase in the sales of weekly and monthly passes during the same period.

That's the only real way to see if this scheme has actually been a success or not.

There's still this 'perception' being floated about that "buses are expensive" which I don't believe is true.

[Lukeee]

In my opinion, the £2 fare cap should have been the catalyst to encourage more people to travel by bus, and more often.

'Tempt' people into 'trying' the bus with the 'cheap £2 fare', and then as they use buses more often, encourage them to take up weekly or monthly passes, which work out even better value for money.

People who use contactless cards to 'tap-and-go' have benefitted from daily and weekly fare caps of course, but I wonder how many people pay £2 cash on each bus they travel on, unaware that day/week/month tickets probably work out cheaper for them.

The fare cap wasn't supposed to last for this long after all.

It would be interesting to see data on how many £2 single fares have been issued in the last couple of years, and whether there has been any increase in the sales of weekly and monthly passes during the same period.

That's the only real way to see if this scheme has actually been a success or not.

There's still this 'perception' being floated about that "buses are expensive" which I don't believe is true.

Agree fully with this, passengers have had 2 years of £2 single tickets, at the end of the day bus companies are businesses and need to make money, but of course come January when fares will rise, no doubt in the eyes of the passenger it will be us drivers fault 

[LD713821]

The mayors response was just sucking up to Andy Burnham and talking about his franchising scheme (which in 3 years).

Since TFWM control most of bus fares now, isn't there a way for them to subside £2 Single for nBus Zone? Will it be worth it/affordable?

A £2.90/£3.00 single is way overpriced for a city region

[BlackCountryBusSpotter]

What he won't mention is that Manchester still has the same price cap and will do so you aren't controlling the fares Central government is. All it is doing is being exactly the same as Manchester. What the Mayor's should have done is encourage people to Try the bus if it is still not making money and they are having to keep using fares then take it over if NX as he seems to keep attacking them are mismanging money or running Double Deckers carrying 2 passengers, but they aren't doing this no Operator is. What no one has mentioned is before Covid Buses here were getting busier and services had actually been increased on some routes. Then Covid came along a lot of work was done from home, most people drove or caught cabs because they thought buses would be unhygienic. I remember seeing NX Double Deckers on the usually single Decker 34 and 37 because of the Social distancing.

The Last government also seemed to keep opening and then also closing things, when Colleges and Schools returned Buses became rammed and often said Bus Full meaning you would have wait, Driver shortages then came about due to illness, Stress, Better opportunities driving Trucks so NX struggled this combined with Buses being absolutely rammed probably put people off getting the bus as they still saw it as a covid hotspot and then the bus they were waiting for never turned up or was full. Things started to return to normal slowly, but then again what no one mentions is the fact the Trams were broken and on Strike What took the strain the bus, which due to being rammed was again missing stops, more cars on the road more traffic, loads of Roadworks, CityFibre, Metro Works, Cycle Schmes and other stuff also didn't help they seemed to pop up everywhere usually within days of each other especially after Covid this again caused issues.

Some of the reasons Buses are still Struggling is Covid, Potential Passengers finding better ways to get into Work and more people can work from home. If they need to go out they drive, Walk or get a cab. What the government and mayor's need to do is get the buses back to pre Covid levels, more promotion, end these Roadworks and stop meddling with Fares and expecting the companies and operators to want to comply to it or even in Some cases routes and timetables, there is a reason this service is running through here anymore no one used it, suddenly it's gone oh you've all come out now haven't you where were you before.

It almost seems no one trusts the Bus Companies to run the buses and they want to play a part in everything. The people running these companies know how much fuel costs, how much they are making, why this bus that was once every 5 minutes is now every 10 or so on they don't do it for a laugh. It almost seems they listen to frequent moaners of buses and are like right let's get Jane at number 16 a bus that stops outside her house eventhough in the last 2 years she has used the bus once, let's give Doreen that every 10 minute service eventhough she has a 6 minute service 20 meters at the other end of her road and can get another bus if she wanted. I think the thing all mayors and the Government need to do is support the bus companies with adverts and promotions, work with them not against them to try and improve service rather than just suggesting the bus should come down this road as it used to Six years ago. Six years ago there was demand now there isn't if there is offer it to another operator, when NX run said service don't then moan at being unreliable you made it unreliable by suggesting or basically telling them to reroute it. 

[uniquicity]

Relax. The world isn't ending.

[Steve3229vp]

What he won't mention is that Manchester still has the same price cap and will do so you aren't controlling the fares Central government is. All it is doing is being exactly the same as Manchester. What the Mayor's should have done is encourage people to Try the bus if it is still not making money and they are having to keep using fares then take it over if NX as he seems to keep attacking them are mismanging money or running Double Deckers carrying 2 passengers, but they aren't doing this no Operator is. What no one has mentioned is before Covid Buses here were getting busier and services had actually been increased on some routes. Then Covid came along a lot of work was done from home, most people drove or caught cabs because they thought buses would be unhygienic. I remember seeing NX Double Deckers on the usually single Decker 34 and 37 because of the Social distancing.

The Last government also seemed to keep opening and then also closing things, when Colleges and Schools returned Buses became rammed and often said Bus Full meaning you would have wait, Driver shortages then came about due to illness, Stress, Better opportunities driving Trucks so NX struggled this combined with Buses being absolutely rammed probably put people off getting the bus as they still saw it as a covid hotspot and then the bus they were waiting for never turned up or was full. Things started to return to normal slowly, but then again what no one mentions is the fact the Trams were broken and on Strike What took the strain the bus, which due to being rammed was again missing stops, more cars on the road more traffic, loads of Roadworks, CityFibre, Metro Works, Cycle Schmes and other stuff also didn't help they seemed to pop up everywhere usually within days of each other especially after Covid this again caused issues.

Some of the reasons Buses are still Struggling is Covid, Potential Passengers finding better ways to get into Work and more people can work from home. If they need to go out they drive, Walk or get a cab. What the government and mayor's need to do is get the buses back to pre Covid levels, more promotion, end these Roadworks and stop meddling with Fares and expecting the companies and operators to want to comply to it or even in Some cases routes and timetables, there is a reason this service is running through here anymore no one used it, suddenly it's gone oh you've all come out now haven't you where were you before.

It almost seems no one trusts the Bus Companies to run the buses and they want to play a part in everything. The people running these companies know how much fuel costs, how much they are making, why this bus that was once every 5 minutes is now every 10 or so on they don't do it for a laugh. It almost seems they listen to frequent moaners of buses and are like right let's get Jane at number 16 a bus that stops outside her house eventhough in the last 2 years she has used the bus once, let's give Doreen that every 10 minute service eventhough she has a 6 minute service 20 meters at the other end of her road and can get another bus if she wanted. I think the thing all mayors and the Government need to do is support the bus companies with adverts and promotions, work with them not against them to try and improve service rather than just suggesting the bus should come down this road as it used to Six years ago. Six years ago there was demand now there isn't if there is offer it to another operator, when NX run said service don't then moan at being unreliable you made it unreliable by suggesting or basically telling them to reroute it.

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[Jack]

What he won't mention is that Manchester still has the same price cap and will do so you aren't controlling the fares Central government is. All it is doing is being exactly the same as Manchester. What the Mayor's should have done is encourage people to Try the bus if it is still not making money and they are having to keep using fares then take it over if NX as he seems to keep attacking them are mismanging money or running Double Deckers carrying 2 passengers, but they aren't doing this no Operator is. What no one has mentioned is before Covid Buses here were getting busier and services had actually been increased on some routes. Then Covid came along a lot of work was done from home, most people drove or caught cabs because they thought buses would be unhygienic. I remember seeing NX Double Deckers on the usually single Decker 34 and 37 because of the Social distancing.

The Last government also seemed to keep opening and then also closing things, when Colleges and Schools returned Buses became rammed and often said Bus Full meaning you would have wait, Driver shortages then came about due to illness, Stress, Better opportunities driving Trucks so NX struggled this combined with Buses being absolutely rammed probably put people off getting the bus as they still saw it as a covid hotspot and then the bus they were waiting for never turned up or was full. Things started to return to normal slowly, but then again what no one mentions is the fact the Trams were broken and on Strike What took the strain the bus, which due to being rammed was again missing stops, more cars on the road more traffic, loads of Roadworks, CityFibre, Metro Works, Cycle Schmes and other stuff also didn't help they seemed to pop up everywhere usually within days of each other especially after Covid this again caused issues.

Some of the reasons Buses are still Struggling is Covid, Potential Passengers finding better ways to get into Work and more people can work from home. If they need to go out they drive, Walk or get a cab. What the government and mayor's need to do is get the buses back to pre Covid levels, more promotion, end these Roadworks and stop meddling with Fares and expecting the companies and operators to want to comply to it or even in Some cases routes and timetables, there is a reason this service is running through here anymore no one used it, suddenly it's gone oh you've all come out now haven't you where were you before.

It almost seems no one trusts the Bus Companies to run the buses and they want to play a part in everything. The people running these companies know how much fuel costs, how much they are making, why this bus that was once every 5 minutes is now every 10 or so on they don't do it for a laugh. It almost seems they listen to frequent moaners of buses and are like right let's get Jane at number 16 a bus that stops outside her house eventhough in the last 2 years she has used the bus once, let's give Doreen that every 10 minute service eventhough she has a 6 minute service 20 meters at the other end of her road and can get another bus if she wanted. I think the thing all mayors and the Government need to do is support the bus companies with adverts and promotions, work with them not against them to try and improve service rather than just suggesting the bus should come down this road as it used to Six years ago. Six years ago there was demand now there isn't if there is offer it to another operator, when NX run said service don't then moan at being unreliable you made it unreliable by suggesting or basically telling them to reroute it.

Why do you always post an essay on nearly all your posts out of curiosity?

[LD713821]

What he won't mention is that Manchester still has the same price cap and will do so you aren't controlling the fares Central government is. All it is doing is being exactly the same as Manchester. What the Mayor's should have done is encourage people to Try the bus if it is still not making money and they are having to keep using fares then take it over if NX as he seems to keep attacking them are mismanging money or running Double Deckers carrying 2 passengers, but they aren't doing this no Operator is. What no one has mentioned is before Covid Buses here were getting busier and services had actually been increased on some routes. Then Covid came along a lot of work was done from home, most people drove or caught cabs because they thought buses would be unhygienic. I remember seeing NX Double Deckers on the usually single Decker 34 and 37 because of the Social distancing.
The Last government also seemed to keep opening and then also closing things, when Colleges and Schools returned Buses became rammed and often said Bus Full meaning you would have wait, Driver shortages then came about due to illness, Stress, Better opportunities driving Trucks so NX struggled this combined with Buses being absolutely rammed probably put people off getting the bus as they still saw it as a covid hotspot and then the bus they were waiting for never turned up or was full. Things started to return to normal slowly, but then again what no one mentions is the fact the Trams were broken and on Strike What took the strain the bus, which due to being rammed was again missing stops, more cars on the road more traffic, loads of Roadworks, CityFibre, Metro Works, Cycle Schmes and other stuff also didn't help they seemed to pop up everywhere usually within days of each other especially after Covid this again caused issues.
Some of the reasons Buses are still Struggling is Covid, Potential Passengers finding better ways to get into Work and more people can work from home. If they need to go out they drive, Walk or get a cab. What the government and mayor's need to do is get the buses back to pre Covid levels, more promotion, end these Roadworks and stop meddling with Fares and expecting the companies and operators to want to comply to it or even in Some cases routes and timetables, there is a reason this service is running through here anymore no one used it, suddenly it's gone oh you've all come out now haven't you where were you before.
It almost seems no one trusts the Bus Companies to run the buses and they want to play a part in everything. The people running these companies know how much fuel costs, how much they are making, why this bus that was once every 5 minutes is now every 10 or so on they don't do it for a laugh. It almost seems they listen to frequent moaners of buses and are like right let's get Jane at number 16 a bus that stops outside her house eventhough in the last 2 years she has used the bus once, let's give Doreen that every 10 minute service eventhough she has a 6 minute service 20 meters at the other end of her road and can get another bus if she wanted. I think the thing all mayors and the Government need to do is support the bus companies with adverts and promotions, work with them not against them to try and improve service rather than just suggesting the bus should come down this road as it used to Six years ago. Six years ago there was demand now there isn't if there is offer it to another operator, when NX run said service don't then moan at being unreliable you made it unreliable by suggesting or basically telling them to reroute it.

[Ingleboro261F]

What he won't mention is that Manchester still has the same price cap and will do so you aren't controlling the fares Central government is. All it is doing is being exactly the same as Manchester. What the Mayor's should have done is encourage people to Try the bus if it is still not making money and they are having to keep using fares then take it over if NX as he seems to keep attacking them are mismanging money or running Double Deckers carrying 2 passengers, but they aren't doing this no Operator is. What no one has mentioned is before Covid Buses here were getting busier and services had actually been increased on some routes. Then Covid came along a lot of work was done from home, most people drove or caught cabs because they thought buses would be unhygienic. I remember seeing NX Double Deckers on the usually single Decker 34 and 37 because of the Social distancing.

The Last government also seemed to keep opening and then also closing things, when Colleges and Schools returned Buses became rammed and often said Bus Full meaning you would have wait, Driver shortages then came about due to illness, Stress, Better opportunities driving Trucks so NX struggled this combined with Buses being absolutely rammed probably put people off getting the bus as they still saw it as a covid hotspot and then the bus they were waiting for never turned up or was full. Things started to return to normal slowly, but then again what no one mentions is the fact the Trams were broken and on Strike What took the strain the bus, which due to being rammed was again missing stops, more cars on the road more traffic, loads of Roadworks, CityFibre, Metro Works, Cycle Schmes and other stuff also didn't help they seemed to pop up everywhere usually within days of each other especially after Covid this again caused issues.

Some of the reasons Buses are still Struggling is Covid, Potential Passengers finding better ways to get into Work and more people can work from home. If they need to go out they drive, Walk or get a cab. What the government and mayor's need to do is get the buses back to pre Covid levels, more promotion, end these Roadworks and stop meddling with Fares and expecting the companies and operators to want to comply to it or even in Some cases routes and timetables, there is a reason this service is running through here anymore no one used it, suddenly it's gone oh you've all come out now haven't you where were you before.

It almost seems no one trusts the Bus Companies to run the buses and they want to play a part in everything. The people running these companies know how much fuel costs, how much they are making, why this bus that was once every 5 minutes is now every 10 or so on they don't do it for a laugh. It almost seems they listen to frequent moaners of buses and are like right let's get Jane at number 16 a bus that stops outside her house eventhough in the last 2 years she has used the bus once, let's give Doreen that every 10 minute service eventhough she has a 6 minute service 20 meters at the other end of her road and can get another bus if she wanted. I think the thing all mayors and the Government need to do is support the bus companies with adverts and promotions, work with them not against them to try and improve service rather than just suggesting the bus should come down this road as it used to Six years ago. Six years ago there was demand now there isn't if there is offer it to another operator, when NX run said service don't then moan at being unreliable you made it unreliable by suggesting or basically telling them to reroute it

Sorry, I didn't realise I was in a politics lesson.

[Stu]

Since TFWM control most of bus fares now, isn't there a way for them to subside £2 Single for nBus Zone? Will it be worth it/affordable?

A £2.90/£3.00 single is way overpriced for a city region

Yes, they could quite easily. They just need millions of pounds of money from somewhere, then they can pay bus operators to run their services at a loss.

[Stu]

Relax. The world isn't ending.

TL:DR

Why do you always post an essay on nearly all your posts out of curiosity?

Sorry, I didn't realise I was in a politics lesson.

It disappoints me that so many members here respond to a lengthy detailed post in this manner, rather than reading what that person has written and responding to any points made within it.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is a discussion forum, not TikTok.

[jasmine]

It disappoints me that so many members here respond to a lengthy detailed post in this manner, rather than reading what that person has written and responding to any points made within it.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is a discussion forum, not TikTok.

thus is the result of adhd promotive apps like tiktok and reels