Service Changes August 29th 2021.

[Mike K]

It's getting a bit of a farce now. The terminus is definitely in Bartley Green.

Can anyone confirm categorically where buses are terminating? Is it the Romsley Road / Field Lane 18 terminus or the Field Lane / Wood Lane X22 terminus?

If both the X21 and X22 are showing Woodgate via University then that could further add to the  confusion with the revised route. When the 22 was extended from Kitwell to the 23 terminus at Wood Lane, it deliberately retained its 'Kitwell' destination to differentiate it from the 23.

[2206]

If both the X21 and X22 are showing Woodgate via University then that could further add to the  confusion with the revised route. When the 22 was extended from Kitwell to the 23 terminus at Wood Lane, it deliberately retained its 'Kitwell' destination to differentiate it from the 23.

The 55/94/95, 45/47, 61/63
all display:
Chelmsley Wood via Ward End
Longbridge via Pershore Road.
Frankley via Bristol Road.
Never any confusion.  You look at the display and see what number it says on it.

So not sure how 2 routes displaying Woodgate via University would be any different.

[Mike K]

The 55/94/95, 45/47, 61/63
all display:
Chelmsley Wood via Ward End
Longbridge via Pershore Road.
Frankley via Bristol Road.
Never any confusion.  You look at the display and see what number it says on it.

So not sure how 2 routes displaying Woodgate via University is any different.

Yeah thanks for stating the bleeding obvious. Difference here is that the routes terminate at different places according to NXWM.

[2206]

Yeah thanks for stating the bleeding obvious. Difference here is that the routes terminate at different places according to NXWM.

Unless Woodgate might be a short working destination possibly, possibly put up by mistake? But its only a short distance between the 2 terminus isn't it.
I saw 2201 in the City Centre displaying 17 Bordesley Green via Hob Moor Road earlier, though obviously thats not the terminus, it also may have been put up by mistake. I wonder where a short working 17 to Bordesley Green would terminate as well, I presume at the 8 route?

[Mike K]

Apologies for my flippant reply. Not sure why an X21 has been displaying Woodgate but the points I was trying to get across are that:
1. It terminates at the same place as the 18, which shows a destination of Bartley Green; and
2. These changes, and the different routes that the X21, X22 and 23 each take around the same few roads in Bartley Green are confusing - compounded by late communications and bus stop flags not being updated. If you are used to seeing an X22 to Woodgate, it only adds to that confusion if the X21 starts showing the same. The routes are very different after the QE, they finish at slightly different places and for years buses finishing at Romsley Road have shown Bartley Green on the front. That's all.

[MasterPlan]

Well 6884 was displaying Bartley Green today so God knows what happened yesterday.

[sonic84]

It's confusing for sure but don't know how it could be simplified:

My suggestion would be:
23 - Reverts to the old route via Adams Hill and Romsley Road where it would terminate like the old 21 used to.

X21 and X22 - Terminate at the Field Lane terminus in Woodgate both following the existing X22 route in Bartley Green (As the 22 and X64 routes used to follow)

[Mike K]

It's confusing for sure but don't know how it could be simplified:

My suggestion would be:
23 - Reverts to the old route via Adams Hill and Romsley Road where it would terminate like the old 21 used to.

X21 and X22 - Terminate at the Field Lane terminus in Woodgate both following the existing X22 route in Bartley Green (As the 22 and X64 routes used to follow)

My solution for passengers in the Romsley Road area is to stand in the central reservation opposite the church and then leg it towards the first bus you see with Birmingham on the front.

[Trident 4194]

My solution for passengers in the Romsley Road area is to stand in the central reservation opposite the church and then leg it towards the first bus you see with Birmingham on the front.

I've witnessed them do this many times!

[mesub]

My solution for passengers in the Romsley Road area is to stand in the central reservation opposite the church and then leg it towards the first bus you see with Birmingham on the front.

Sounds like a plan  8)

It's confusing for sure but don't know how it could be simplified:

My suggestion would be:
23 - Reverts to the old route via Adams Hill and Romsley Road where it would terminate like the old 21 used to.

The 23 used to terminate at the Woodgate (field lane) terminus though. So that wouldn't make sense.

[mesub]

X21 destination display now saying Woodgate. At least it is on 6884 anyways, just to add to the confusion.

It's on 6852 as well.

[BBS]

41 is going really great now. People on Olton Boulevard road and spring road now take the 41 which is great to see. I take it everyday too. Nice drivers on there. Good old B7TL's too.

[MasterPlan]

It's on 6852 as well.

So I see. Shambles.

EDIT: 5512 behind it saying Woodcock Hill lol

[mesub]

So I see. Shambles.

EDIT: 5512 behind it saying Woodcock Hill lol

lol

A few months after the 2018 South Birmingham service changes, I remember that there was an X2 platinum that still had the 23's destination as Woodgate

[BBS]

So I see. Shambles.

EDIT: 5512 behind it saying Woodcock Hill lol

wow these changes are nearly a week or 2 old and no flag changes