Electric Buses

[Mike K]

Range does drop significantly in cold weather, but this is nothing new and bus companies must be fully aware of this. Again, can't speak for buses but I currently have an EV car and the range has dropped off by around 25% in winter weather compared to summer.

[jasmine]

Don't know if this is the reason why but batteries in general just, perform worse in adverse weather

[BBS]

Don't know if this is the reason why but batteries in general just, perform worse in adverse weather

It's the same with mobile devices, when it's colder, the battery dies faster 

[Celestial Toymaker]

The Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries

i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards

[Tony]

The Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries

i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards

London buses at 8 years old still aren't a problem, replacing a set of batteries is hardly a problem the cost is similar to replacing an engine and gearbox on some buses and that has to be done several times on some buses.

[jasmine]

The Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries

i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards

pear*

you also do realize that the world is rapidly shifting toward renewable energy? the completed change will happen sooner or later, it's best to be prepared for it instead of being sorry when it comes.

not sure why people find it an issue, it's a bus, if it gets you from a to b at a respectable time (which is irrelevant to how the bus is powered), what's your beef with it?

also, technology advances at a commensurate and exponential rate. look at where we were 10 years ago with EVs compared to today, look in 10 or 20 years time, it'll be insane the leaps and bounds society will take, you can observe the same phenomenon in mobile phones, camera technology, communication technology, medical technology, you name it, and you can see how far we've come from where we were 20 years ago, the same is going to (it already is) happen with EV's.

the technology can only be improved if what we have now is used, that's how it works, you figure out how to improve something the more it's used, the more its used the more you observe it and figure out how to make it work better. you can't just decide to bin off the technology because it's not "perfect" right now from the get-go, imagine if the world had this attitude in the past when it came to flight, motorized propulsion, new sources of energy, etc.

do you really think the very first fossil fuel powered vehicle was the most efficient transport solution on earth? no, it wasn't. how did people make it become one of the most efficient transport solutions? by using it, and refining it. let time run it's course on EV's and the same thing will happen.

[BlackCountryBusSpotter]

The Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries

i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards

The Bus industry is better than the Car Industry, Buses are kept on Private land so they can fit the infrastructure, cars are usually charged at home to, but when your on a drive you need to charge in public that causes issues that you can't build enough chargers, hence EV Car sales have stalled, EV Buses are still strong as they are proving more reliable than diesel buses and have better infrastructure, PB is a prime example they are making all there Electric's work, ask anyone 2 years ago if they thought an entire NX Garage would be totally electric there would have been mixed responses some would have said yes, most probably no as back then people still thought you might have needed Diesel to back them up. I don't like the push for Green myself, I believe the older folks should have figured out a solution for Climate Change years before I was born, hence me then being able to see as a child a cool looking Electric Car rather a 5.0 Litre Supercharged V8 F-Type Jag as my Dream Car, I could have been riding Electric Buses rather than Diesel's, but I do think somewhat Electric Buses are good, they are cleaner, better and probably cheaper for NX to use, if Franchising doesn't materlise here, if them being cheaper to run means eventually cheaper fares that benefits me and my family. 

[frostjay974]

Do people not realise that the manufacturing and sourcing of materials for the batteries requires high amounts of energy and emits tons of CO2 and let's not forget about when they do eventually die, very difficult to recycle and not cost effective either so will therefore most likely end up in landfills causing more pollution. Hardly renewable or good for the environment in my opinion. 

[BlackCountryBusSpotter]

Do people not realise that the manufacturing and sourcing of materials for the batteries requires high amounts of energy and emits tons of CO2 and let's not forget about when they do eventually die, very difficult to recycle and not cost effective either so will therefore most likely end up in landfills causing more pollution. Hardly renewable or good for the environment in my opinion.

This is one of my arguments about it, but I get Electric Buses in a way, but I also think maybe we should like into Biofuel and Green No Oil Petrol that the Germans are working on 

[Tony]

Do people not realise that the manufacturing and sourcing of materials for the batteries requires high amounts of energy and emits tons of CO2 and let's not forget about when they do eventually die, very difficult to recycle and not cost effective either so will therefore most likely end up in landfills causing more pollution. Hardly renewable or good for the environment in my opinion.

Batteries are firstly reusable for static storage, and also easily recyclable (over 90%) and sourcing the materials is easier and uses less CO2 than sourcing oil which is 0% recyclable.

You appear to have been taken in by some of the regular internet lies 

[Celestial Toymaker]

Oil can in a way be recycled, as Coal is now banned (except imported) oil can be reused to power that which is powered by Coal, Steam has been around longer than anything if its coal powered it can be converted to run on waste oil, which, is then obviously burned...

Im not against Electric vehicles but its old technology, milk trucks were / are ? powered by electric since the war, back in the 70's a knew a guy that worked for Bedford he used to bring home electric Bedford CF Vans capable of 70mph, but its the range, take the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty, i dont know if the same happens in reverse but it probably does, these journeys could be covered by BC /AG /YW, start from Coventry with no dead mileage and use Birmingham garage / garages for journeys starting in Birmingham

[The Real 4777]

This 'debate' is almost impossible to have in a balanced way. It reminds me of the Battle for The Science that occurred in 2020, when it was clear that certain loud voices had preferential bandwidth over others who were, shall we say, rather more sceptical or enquiring over the fuller, broader or bigger picture.

[Tony]

Oil can in a way be recycled, as Coal is now banned (except imported) oil can be reused to power that which is powered by Coal, Steam has been around longer than anything if its coal powered it can be converted to run on waste oil, which, is then obviously burned...

Im not against Electric vehicles but its old technology, milk trucks were / are ? powered by electric since the war, back in the 70's a knew a guy that worked for Bedford he used to bring home electric Bedford CF Vans capable of 70mph, but its the range, take the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty, i dont know if the same happens in reverse but it probably does, these journeys could be covered by BC /AG /YW, start from Coventry with no dead mileage and use Birmingham garage / garages for journeys starting in Birmingham

Oil you have burned for movement cannot be recycled

[BBS]

Oil can in a way be recycled, as Coal is now banned (except imported) oil can be reused to power that which is powered by Coal, Steam has been around longer than anything if its coal powered it can be converted to run on waste oil, which, is then obviously burned...

Im not against Electric vehicles but its old technology, milk trucks were / are ? powered by electric since the war, back in the 70's a knew a guy that worked for Bedford he used to bring home electric Bedford CF Vans capable of 70mph, but its the range, take the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty, i dont know if the same happens in reverse but it probably does, these journeys could be covered by BC /AG /YW, start from Coventry with no dead mileage and use Birmingham garage / garages for journeys starting in Birmingham

AG doesn't have any electric vehicles 

[Celestial Toymaker]

Oil you have burned for movement cannot be recycled

yes that was my point once the oil has been used and cleaned it can be burned therefore it is recycled from its original single use, obviously once something is burned its life ends