Electric Buses

[winston]

It would make commercial sense if the leasing for the vehicles (most if not all the NXWM EVs are leased from Zenobe) and charging equipment, combined with the running costs are less than the equivalent for diesel buses though - along with relative reliability of vehicles also. @Tony has mentioned previously the improvement they experienced with the Coventry fleet. Presumably the leases might be capable to be taken on by TfWM if franchising starts.

My guess is that once the funding is agreed through TfWM/WMCA to support commercial services referred to in earlier posts, NXWM will continue with its fleet replacement. Presumably once the chargers at YW are turned on, NXWM starts paying for the electricity (fuel!) - looks like an accounting thing, to start at the beginning of a financial quarter?

As for the franchising report, I recall it was stated NXWM was expected to have around 600 zero emission vehicles in service by 2027 - it also gave a date well into the 2030s for full EV operation - so it would appear it's the franchising arrangement suggested by TfWM that allows for an extended period for full zero emission operation. In fact the other operators have virtually none in the region currently operating!!

There's no much point taking on any more electrics for operating savings either, with the build time from date or order & the time it takes to get them in service, they wouldn't get much pay back from them, so a pointless exercise. 

[Tony]

Is there a reason that NX hasn't announced who is making these new electric buses? Surely an announcement would have come by now?

Why?

What difference does it make? An announcement of 130 new buses is all that matters to the travelling public.

[Ronnoc]

Why?

What difference does it make? An announcement of 130 new buses is all that matters to the travelling public.

Of course it wouldn't matter to the public. However, it's unusual that nobody except the company knows who the manufacturer is, especially nearing the start of production. I know it may seem a bit trivial, but I just find it a bit strange.

[Tony]

Of course it wouldn't matter to the public. However, it's unusual that nobody except the company knows who the manufacturer is, especially nearing the start of production. I know it may seem a bit trivial, but I just find it a bit strange.

Sometimes the manufacturer might want a big press release with a picture of a completed vehicle

[don]

Yes, building is due to start very soon

That's great news. Look forward to seeing them operating later in the year. 

[RW]

Sometimes the manufacturer might want a big press release with a picture of a completed vehicle

Hint of when Tony?

[BBS]

Just a question, but is it possible the current hydrogens can be refuelled to battery electric? 

[Westy]

Just a question, but is it possible the current hydrogens can be refuelled to battery electric?

Do you mean 'converted'?

[BBS]

Do you mean 'converted'?

Sorry yeah

[Celestial Toymaker]

Of course it wouldn't matter to the public. However, it's unusual that nobody except the company knows who the manufacturer is, especially nearing the start of production. I know it may seem a bit trivial, but I just find it a bit strange.

look around
at least 2 bus companies have got new vehicles not yet seen elsewhere (from what ive seen) but im not going to say what it is as NXWM may not have gone for them but if you like crosswords its W-----------

[BBS]

look around
at least 2 bus companies have got new vehicles not yet seen elsewhere (from what ive seen) but im not going to say what it is as NXWM may not have gone for them but if you like crosswords its W-----------

Seems like you must be the CEO of National express to know what they ordered 

[BK63 YWP]

Seems like you must be the CEO of National express to know what they ordered

No, NX have only trialled Wright Bus Electroliner decker, the rest were single deckers demos. 130 are deckers so highly likely to be Electroliners 

[RW]

Still no sign of E334. Just wondering whether ADL have accepted that WMNX are not putting all their new electric 'eggs' in the same basket and have decided not to bother with a 'seed' demonstrator at this point in time. Time will tell.

[CL]

Still no sign of E334. Just wondering whether ADL have accepted that WMNX are not putting all their new electric 'eggs' in the same basket and have decided not to bother with a 'seed' demonstrator at this point in time. Time will tell.

Would be counterproductive having a vehicle with no means of charging it presently.

The new Enviro400EVs are equipped with AC charging ports; the current BYD fleet use DC chargers.

Not that this is the sole reason for its delay, but I can't imagine it helps matters.

[Ingleboro261F]

Would be counterproductive having a vehicle with no means of charging it presently.

The new Enviro400EVs are equipped with AC charging ports; the current BYD fleet use DC chargers.

Not that this is the sole reason for its delay, but I can't imagine it helps matters.

Then what was the point of even thinking about ordering an electric bus with AC charging ports if the BYDs work just fine?