West Bromwich Garage

[John]

does anyone know what the 2013 order comprises of and allocations yet, apart from 21 hybrids to wn

It will also include the 9 x E400H for Dundee, so there should be 100 new bus orders still to be announced

I think it was mentioned somewhere that 10 Eniro400's are going to Coventry for route 10. there may be more as well for other garages.

[don]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

[JackC]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

Maybe some Omnilinks will come from somewhere with a lot of luck.  ;D  Not exactly sure where'd we get them from mind you,

[Stuharris 6360]

does anyone know what the 2013 order comprises of and allocations yet, apart from 21 hybrids to wn

It will also include the 9 x E400H for Dundee, so there should be 100 new bus orders still to be announced

I think it was mentioned somewhere that 10 Eniro400's are going to Coventry for route 10. there may be more as well for other garages.

I thought CV were due to get 23 new buses!

[Sh4318]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

Maybe some Omnilinks will come from somewhere with a lot of luck.  ;D  Not exactly sure where'd we get them from mind you,

Looks unlikely, unless BY get a new batch of singles

[PM]

Well, the omnilinks could come from WB or be augmented by some from PB, which I imagine will get the lion's share of the year's deliveries as they are losing older e400s to pensnett. I would imagine they may get new enviro 400s for either the sutton lines or something like the 16 not only replacing a few of the e400s for transfer elsewhere but perhaps also transferring omnilinks elsewhere or perhaps even transferring some geminis or some of the alx400s to WB for use on their city services.

[JackC]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

Maybe some Omnilinks will come from somewhere with a lot of luck.  ;D  Not exactly sure where'd we get them from mind you,

Looks unlikely, unless BY get a new batch of singles

Probably the most likely place we'll ever see them coming from. Would probably cascade our youngest Mercs around to replace older Mercs if it were to happen too so not a terribly bad idea - just as we both say, unlikely.

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order, but will get 810 from BC when the 99 is cut back to finish at Priory Queensway releasing 1 PVR

Forgot to mention this last post but when will that happen?

[PM]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

Maybe some Omnilinks will come from somewhere with a lot of luck.  ;D  Not exactly sure where'd we get them from mind you,

Looks unlikely, unless BY get a new batch of singles

Probably the most likely place we'll ever see them coming from. Would probably cascade our youngest Mercs around to replace older Mercs if it were to happen too so not a terribly bad idea - just as we both say, unlikely.

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order, but will get 810 from BC when the 99 is cut back to finish at Priory Queensway releasing 1 PVR

Forgot to mention this last post but when will that happen?

I doubt NatEx would give new buses to BY seeing as there are no vehicles there to be replaced as they're all pretty new and given the fact theyre oftern on loan to other garages shows they must be in pretty decent nick.

[winston]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

Maybe some Omnilinks will come from somewhere with a lot of luck.  ;D  Not exactly sure where'd we get them from mind you,

Looks unlikely, unless BY get a new batch of singles

Probably the most likely place we'll ever see them coming from. Would probably cascade our youngest Mercs around to replace older Mercs if it were to happen too so not a terribly bad idea - just as we both say, unlikely.

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order, but will get 810 from BC when the 99 is cut back to finish at Priory Queensway releasing 1 PVR

Forgot to mention this last post but when will that happen?

I doubt NatEx would give new buses to BY seeing as there are no vehicles there to be replaced as they're all pretty new and given the fact theyre oftern on loan to other garages shows they must be in pretty decent nick.

They could do as Bordesley is also head office, it also appears Bordesley will be the first garage to have re-branded all its fleet as NXWM regardless of livery

[winston]

does anyone know what the 2013 order comprises of and allocations yet, apart from 21 hybrids to wn

It will also include the 9 x E400H for Dundee, so there should be 100 new bus orders still to be announced

I think it was mentioned somewhere that 10 Eniro400's are going to Coventry for route 10. there may be more as well for other garages.

Yes there are the 10 x ADL E400's as that was confirmed by Tony (so 90 new buses still left to be confirmed). The article in CBW by NXC's MD quoted 23 new buses being due for NXC this year, but there are all sorts of quantities / combinations being banded around so this could have since changed.

I'm also expecting NX to bring forward part/all of the 2014 order to take advantage of buying the cheaper Euro 5 engined buses

[winston]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

And me considering that Sandwell has only recently had a network review which has resulted in arrival of 12 new Enviro 200's, this account for less than 10% of WB's fleet

[winston]

Well, the omnilinks could come from WB or be augmented by some from PB, which I imagine will get the lion's share of the year's deliveries as they are losing older e400s to pensnett. I would imagine they may get new enviro 400s for either the sutton lines or something like the 16 not only replacing a few of the e400s for transfer elsewhere but perhaps also transferring omnilinks elsewhere or perhaps even transferring some geminis or some of the alx400s to WB for use on their city services.

Don't forget that PB still have 15 x B10L to be replaced first before PB could release any Omnilinks in quantity

[Ash]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

And me considering that Sandwell has only recently had a network review which has resulted in arrival of 12 new Enviro 200's, this account for less than 10% of WB's fleet

WB's average fleet age would have been less but it lost it's 20 omnilinks to Walsall when the 404 transferred.

[winston]

West Bromwich are not due to receive any new buses from the 2013 order

This is extremely surprising given the number of old vehicles they have......perhaps some fairly new cascades will be provided? When you compare it with the likes of Wolverhampton, which has been remarked before has/will have over 35% of its vehicles less than 18 months old when the hybrids start operating.

And me considering that Sandwell has only recently had a network review which has resulted in arrival of 12 new Enviro 200's, this account for less than 10% of WB's fleet

WB's average fleet age would have been less but it lost it's 20 omnilinks to Walsall when the 404 transferred.

It may not have changed that much as the fleet would have been bigger than at present, i.e. they lost 20 buses to WA & only had 5/6 in return

[Stuharris 6360]

There must be a reason why NXWM don't invest more into WB, because it does need some newer buses.

You could look at it from 2 ways:

1. Problem is i suppose would you want a brand new bus on the 74/75/82/87 given the amount of vandalism, weed smoking, fare evasion etc that goes on. But they could surely cascade some newer buses from other garages to replace the really old ones (not the Presidents as they look really good after refurbishment).

2. Routes like the 74/75/82/87 would be ideal for Hybrid operation, plenty of stop start running and the traffic around Handsworth (must burn gallons of Diesel).