West Midlands Railway

[Tony]

I'd have to argue with that  ;). Is 170503 due to leave WMR then - as it has the gold and silver livery?

Yes, all the 170s are due to go

[Bob]

When by? What will they use on the Hereford/Shrewsbury services from New St?

[Tony]

What will they use on the Hereford/Shrewsbury services from New St?

The brand new units that are on order

[Bob]

I didnt realise they had any DMUs on order. Cant way to see the back of the woefully inadequate in peak time 170s on the Chase Line

[Sh4318]

I didnt realise they had any DMUs on order. Cant way to see the back of the woefully inadequate in peak time 170s on the Chase Line

Really don't understand your issue with the 170s. Although ScotRail's 170s put WMRs (and XCs) to shame

[Bob]

Really don't understand your issue with the 170s. Although ScotRail's 170s put WMRs (and XCs) to shame

On 2 carriage journeys theyve got a lot less seats than the 2 carriage 150s previously used.  Horrific outside of the school hols on the 610am trip from Cannock which is PERMANENTLY 2 carriage and which now will continue to be for another winter due to NR putting back the electrification completion again. Even worse in rush hour if the 153 attached has failed. Totally inadequate, chase line passenger numbers were and are increading so they got rid of the 150s and awapped them for lower capacity trains.....

[V89MOA]

Totally inadequate, chase line passenger numbers were and are increading so they got rid of the 150s and awapped them for lower capacity trains.....

About to be a Déjà Vu on the cross city line so nothings really changed even now!

[Bob]

About to be a Déjà Vu on the cross city line so nothings really changed even now!

Deja vu?

[V89MOA]

Deja vu?

In a nutshell, history repeating itself.

[Bob]

In a nutshell, history repeating itself.

I meant deja vul in relation to the cross city line? Whats happening

[V89MOA]

I meant deja vul in relation to the cross city line? Whats happening

The modern day version of your 170s having less seats than 150s, Aventura coming in that have far less seats than 323s.

[Bob]

The modern day version of your 170s having less seats than 150s, Aventura coming in that have far less seats than 323s.

So everyone can stand up and have a pleasureable journey 🤣

[Tony]

The modern day version of your 170s having less seats than 150s, Aventura coming in that have far less seats than 323s.

Not necessarily. It depends on operator specification, same as the 170s were different depending on original operator

[Bob]

Not necessarily. It depends on operator specification, same as the 170s were different depending on original operator

Were WMR/LM ones originally intended for longer distance services?

[Trident 4194]

Were WMR/LM ones originally intended for longer distance services?

I'm pretty sure they were.