South Birmingham Consultation 2017

[Kevin]

Acocks Green to Solihull will be fine with a 10 min frequency, the vast majority of custom on the current 37 is between city and Acocks Green which oh look will have more buses....

I actually quite like the Stratford Road changes, it makes a lot of sense renumbering the 37 to fit in with the rest. Intrigued though about the 31, a mention of it still serving Shaftsmoor Lane but being curtailed - does that mean the city bit is staying? Or the Solihull bit? Time is ticking to get all of this information out to customers...

Does anyone know if these route changes are likely to involve stop changes in the city centre? Because that's going g to be an awful lot of buses at the current 6/37 stop which already causes issues for other buses trying to pull out of Carrs Lane

[Mike K]

Not sure if these have been previously mentioned but there will also be route changes for the 24 and 35. For the 24 there were proposed changes in the city centre and Woodgate Valley North so could be either or both of these:

PD0001111  Standard National
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
PD0001111/27

WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ

Operating between Birmingham and Woodgate Valley North given service number 24 / 24 effective from 22 July 2018. To amend Route and Timetable.
Publication: N&P West Midlands(2349), Bus Registration Variation
Date: 22 Jun 2018


PD0001111  Standard National
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
PD0001111/38

WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ

Operating between Hawkesley and Birmingham, City Centre given service number 35 / 35 effective from 22 July 2018. To amend Route and Timetable.
Publication: N&P West Midlands(2349), Bus Registration Variation
Date: 22 Jun 2018

Other route changes from 22 July include the 49, 73 and 97.

[2206]

Acocks Green to Solihull will be fine with a 10 min frequency, the vast majority of custom on the current 37 is between city and Acocks Green which oh look will have more buses....

I actually quite like the Stratford Road changes, it makes a lot of sense renumbering the 37 to fit in with the rest. Intrigued though about the 31, a mention of it still serving Shaftsmoor Lane but being curtailed - does that mean the city bit is staying? Or the Solihull bit? Time is ticking to get all of this information out to customers...

Does anyone know if these route changes are likely to involve stop changes in the city centre? Because that's going g to be an awful lot of buses at the current 6/37 stop which already causes issues for other buses trying to pull out of Carrs Lane

@Tony said the 31 is still serving Gospel Oak not Shaftsmoor Lane and will operate between Acocks Green and Solihull only

That's because again you are being know it all without knowing what's going on.

The 31 isn't being renumbered pointlessly. The 31 is being cut short to run between Acocks Green and Solihull only. The 1 is still serving part of the estate (not the Gospel Oak pub), but a different part to the 4A which is a brand new route, so has a brand new number

[Kevin]

@Tony said the 31 is still serving Gospel Oak not Shaftsmoor Lane and will operate between Acocks Green and Solihull only

My bad, can't read.
What was the comment about Shaftsmoor Lane losing a city service then?

[Gareth]

Are we not going to mention that these proposed changes include a new X20 route despite there already being one that goes to Stratford Upon Avon?

Whilst I disagree with any duplicated route number, at one time we had two 56's running into the City Centre. And as far as know, no one mixed those two up.

[Mike K]

Whilst I disagree with any duplicated route number, at one time we had two 56's running into the City Centre. And as far as know, no one mixed those two up.

An overseas tourist could be in for a shock if they thought they were going to Stratford on Avon on the X20 and found themselves at the Grosvenor Shopping Centre in Northfield on the NX X20  :)

[Dom]

Are we not going to mention that these proposed changes include a new X20 route despite there already being one that goes to Stratford Upon Avon?

Yeah, I already had.

[Kevin]

Whilst I disagree with any duplicated route number, at one time we had two 56's running into the City Centre. And as far as know, no one mixed those two up.

For a while there were two 115s using Upper Bull Street, don't recall much uproar at the time
In fact, how do people ever cope with cross city/town services, I'm currently in Telford and the 4 in both directions stop next to each other
People just moaning for the sake of it

[MW]

My bad, can't read.
What was the comment about Shaftsmoor Lane losing a city service then?

Shaftmoor Lane is losing a City service, aswell as Fox Hollies. You'd have to get the more frequent 1, and changeover to another route at some point.

[2206]

I'm more interested to hear what's going to be happening with my locals (48/48A). Presumably the changes were taken down because some routes weren't mentioned

@Sh4318.
The 48 will be Northfield - West Heath - Hawkesley - Cotteridge - Bournville - Selly Oak - QE Hospital/University -
Harborne - Bearwood - Smethwick - West Bromwich. Every 30 minutes.
It seems, as it looks like this was on the NX website, with the current 48 route being replaced by the 27 between Northfield and the QE.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1565367926907413&set=p.1565367926907413&type=3&theater

[sonic84]

The 48 will be one long route with these changes! 

[Sh4318]

@Sh4318.
The 48 will be Northfield - West Heath - Hawkesley - Cotteridge - Bournville - Selly Oak - QE Hospital/University -
Harbourne - Bearwood - Smethwick - West Bromwich. Every 30 minutes.
It seems, as it looks like this was on the NX website, with the current 48 route being replaced by the 27 between Northfield and the QE.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1565367926907413&set=p.1565367926907413&type=3&theater

I look forward to seeing bunched 48 & 48As on Holly Lane every day

[Steve3229vp]

I think the 48 will be too long, i would run the 48 from West Bromwich to QE Hospital and a 26 from QE Hospital to Northfield

[Kevin]

The 48 will be one long route with these changes!

This is one thing I don't quite get about these sort of reviews.  They do all this "simplifying of routes" which for the most make sense, but then go all out on making one particular route ridiculous and convoluted to cover all the gaps

[Mike K]

This is one thing I don't quite get about these sort of reviews.  They do all this "simplifying of routes" which for the most make sense, but then go all out on making one particular route ridiculous and convoluted to cover all the gaps

Agreed. That 48 route is a ridiculous collection of routes bolted together Frankenstein-style which flies in the face of a simpler more reliable network. How is that going to be reliable? Routes like the 69 were withdrawn for the very reason that they had got too long and unreliable.

And more frequency cuts - the Harborne to Northfield section of the 29 gets a 25% frequency reduction and the Northfield to Hawkesley section of the 27 gets a 33% reduction. Although to be fair the old 84 gets double the frequency, if it ever turns up on time.