South Birmingham Consultation 2017

[MasterPlan]

The X20 will probably eat up most of those on its own though.

It won't be running as regularly aa the X61 and will probably interwork wih the X22...

[Sh4318]

The 48 will be a rather long route, nearly 2 hours long in each direction as well.
West Bromwich Bus Station - 07:33.
Northfield, Bell Lane - 09:25.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=cen&line=33048&sup=S&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=CEN_EFA03_46534505&lineVer=9&itdLPxx_spTr=9&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=NXB

I'm a little disappointed in the Sunday timetable, I was hoping the short journey would have been extended to at least the QE. Perhaps a 48A per hour replacing the 48E would be a better bet, you could easily change in Bearwood (for the 11) for Harborne.

[Straightlines]

The 48 will be a rather long route, nearly 2 hours long in each direction as well.
West Bromwich Bus Station - 07:33.
Northfield, Bell Lane - 09:25.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=cen&line=33048&sup=S&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=CEN_EFA03_46534505&lineVer=9&itdLPxx_spTr=9&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=NXB

I give this 6 months.

[sonic84]

Just a couple of my thoughts on the new network.

48 and 27
Both routes now seem far to long and seem to just plug gaps left from the withdrawal of the 29 and parts of the 27.  Whilst I think it makes sense to link the 48 and the 84 I would have probably kept it as running West Bromwich to Hawkesley only.  Did they used to interwork about 10 years ago!

If the 27 suffers reliability issues I would have curtailed to run Northfield to QE Hospital only and then introduced a 3rd route (44 maybe) running Hawkesley to Harborne via the 27 route to Northfield and then as the 29 to Harborne with the new loop.  I can't see many passengers using the 27 from the bournville side towards the QE. One bus an hour could run via Swarthmore Road

23 and X22
Simplification makes sense now I have seen it on the map. I would have perhaps kept the 23 as the 23A however so that Kitwell maintains its direct link to Harborne.

The X22 would then run from the Wood Lane terminus direct to Romsley Road and then follow the new route into Birmingham.

X21
Seems to make sense but would extend to Romsley Road to continue to link between Bartley Green and Weoley Castle.

1A
Good idea. Will provide a useful link from Acocks Green and Moseley to the QE

76
Extend the 76 to Weoley Castle via Gibbons Lane

[monkeyjoe]

X22 being run by Yardley wood according to the centre timetable or do peeps think that is an error ?

[Steve3229vp]

The new map clearly has the X20, X21, X22 routes going the same route from City to QE Hospital, BUT according to the Traveline maps the X20 and X22 go via Bristol Road and X21 goes via the X64/98 routes. So which is correct.

Also what the frequency for the 4 and 4A on Sunday daytime and late evenings ?

[Kevin]

Anyone care to explain why the X21 isn't just a 21? What part of it is express? That will be far more confusing to passengers than having two routes with the same number, especially if they all go from the same stops in town as it looks like

[sonic84]

I would be surprised if it was just the X21 going via the Vale. Especially as there is a very regular peak service along that corridor with the 98, 98E and X64s at present!

[2206]

The new map clearly has the X20, X21, X22 routes going the same route from City to QE Hospital, BUT according to the Traveline maps the X20 and X22 go via Bristol Road and X21 goes via the X64/98 routes. So which is correct.

Also what the frequency for the 4 and 4A on Sunday daytime and late evenings ?

The NX website has them going via the same route but says they will be limited over that section.

According to Traveline WM, from where the stops are located on the map:
X20/X22 inbound would go non stop via Bristol Road to Smallbrook Queenswy, outbound via the current 98/X64 route from Bath Row via Wheeleys Road, Arthur Road and Edgbaston Park Road.

X21 would serve the current route to Edgbaston Old Church inbound then non stop via Wellington Road and Bristol Road to Smallbrook Queensway. Then Outbound as the current X64 route.
So according to Traveline WM (from where the stops are located on the maps) it appears they will only be serving Arthur Road and Bath Row in one direction.
Presumably that'd be because you can't go direct across from Bath Row to Wheeleys Street inbound and they currently have to go via Five Ways inbound and maybe perhaps because of congestion around Bath Row Holloway Head.

Anyone care to explain why the X21 isn't just a 21? What part of it is express? That will be far more confusing to passengers than having two routes with the same number, especially if they all go from the same stops in town as it looks like

According to Traveline WM -
Outbound Smallbrook Queensway to Edgbaston Old Church will be non stop.

[V89MOA]

It won't be running as regularly aa the X61 and will probably interwork wih the X22...

It's still a longer route.

[2206]

I would be surprised if it was just the X21 going via the Vale. Especially as there is a very regular peak service along that corridor with the 98, 98E and X64s at present!

Maybe they'll put some deckers on there if it is?

[metrocity]

Are all routes still going into QE Hospital?

[2206]

Are all routes still going into QE Hospital?

No.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/qe-hospital-bus-stop-information
Only the 1A, 48, 76 and 244 are going into the QE now.
X20, X21 and X22 will stop at the University Station.
The 27 will stop close by on Metchley Lane
@metrocity

[MasterPlan]

It's still a longer route.

Not by much, especially as it won't be serving Rubery like the 98 did.

[MasterPlan]

76
Extend the 76 to Weoley Castle via Gibbons Lane

Why?