NXWM service changes 4th Sept

[MW]

11 is fine thank you very much. Wasn't fine a year or two ago with the Plaxtons, but it's great now. Keep your MMCs and StreetDecks.

[GeminiFan1991]

Strictly speaking I would say Geminis on the 11 is a good combination 8) I'm sure it would be nice if it had all crimsons but I like its current branding and it goes well and it's a nice upgrade compared to the shoddy plaxtons that were on it a while back !

[andy41]

The main issue with the buses in question (PB's - 42-- B7TL/ALX400's) is a number were early repaints during a period when they weren't refurbished internally, and they also now fall outside of the range of 4425+ that will be treated to Crimson repaints/refurbs due to their age.

Winston, this has been my point all along. I see with interest the various discussions that have gone on while I wasn't looking. Most of it is around age profile and share around depots etc which is fine. But my point has never been the age of these vehicles, it is the condition and neglect of them over the years. There are vehicles in the fleet older than these that have had 2 refurbs in their life where some of these have had none. And the other point was that these routes had new vehicles in the past and should be higher profile than others that get treated better, particularly in the case of the 67

In terms of concentrating one vehicle type on a route, there is simply no need to do it. Drivers at PB are type trained on the full allocation so please explain why the 67 needs a full compliment of this tat every day?

Thankyou for at least understanding my point, regardless of whether you agree with my opinion.

[winston]

Winston, this has been my point all along. I see with interest the various discussions that have gone on while I wasn't looking. Most of it is around age profile and share around depots etc which is fine. But my point has never been the age of these vehicles, it is the condition and neglect of them over the years. There are vehicles in the fleet older than these that have had 2 refurbs in their life where some of these have had none. And the other point was that these routes had new vehicles in the past and should be higher profile than others that get treated better, particularly in the case of the 67

In terms of concentrating one vehicle type on a route, there is simply no need to do it. Drivers at PB are type trained on the full allocation so please explain why the 67 needs a full compliment of this tat every day?

Thankyou for at least understanding my point, regardless of whether you agree with my opinion.

I can see your point, I think Tony said around a dozen were affecetd (repainted during 2008/9) in the then new NXWM red/white livery with radiator bars, which back then didn't included internal retrims. NXWM during that period weren't spending much money on the existing fleet or buying new buses in quantity, due to being distracted expanding Travel London & then the ECML/group debt crisis.

The 67 does deserve better presented vehicles, maybe a consiuous effort could be made at PB to confine those in the worst condition (internally/externally) to peak extras & schools work to miminze the amount of time they are in service, visible to the general public?

I doubt they have enough life in them to warrant being spruced up in existing livery, unless they could be sold on for further service & it adds value to them.

edit - The 65 & 67 fleet will need to be replaced prior to May 2017, as they will need to be min Euro 4 from then onwards

[Dom]

Changes and timetables are now up on the NX website.

http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-4th-september

Good to see that the 39 will use the bus station and the frequency increase on the 79.

[MW]

Changes and timetables are now up on the NX website.

http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-4th-september

Good to see that the 39 will use the bus station and the frequency increase on the 79.

Bloody hell, don't they proof read?!

[Dom]

Bloody hell, don't they proof read?!

''Darlaston and Walsall will now new to change buses at Darlaston interchange''

It's not even a simple typo

[winston]

Changes and timetables are now up on the NX website.

http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-4th-september

Good to see that the 39 will use the bus station and the frequency increase on the 79.

Will the curtailment of the 39 free up any buses at Walsall for transfer? But obviously WN will need more buses for the 79 but deckers

[Stuharris 6360]

Changes and timetables are now up on the NX website.

http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-4th-september

Good to see that the 39 will use the bus station and the frequency increase on the 79.

Interesting to read that "Due to severe traffic congestion, in particular along the Soho Road and across the M5 motorway at the Hawthorns, this has lead to poor reliability on the 74 and 75 over the past 12 months. This has resulted in buses being unable to operate as reliable as planned and has significantly impacted customer journeys."

So why isn't the 74 being withdrawn and replaced by a service between Birmingham and West Bromwich and another one between West Bromwich and Dudley.

[Jack6101]

Because more people use the 74 plus the 75 runs along side the metro

[Dom]

Will the curtailment of the 39 free up any buses at Walsall for transfer? But obviously WN will need more buses for the 79 but deckers

Depends on interworking. Looking at the timetable it looks like the 34, 37 and 39 will interwork.

WN won't need more buses as the Platinums will be in service by then so the number going out will just be slightly less, I would imagine.

[winston]

Depends on interworking. Looking at the timetable it looks like the 34, 37 and 39 will interwork.

WN won't need more buses as the Platinums will be in service by then so the number going out will just be slightly less, I would imagine.

Re-phrasing my comment - WN's Pvr will increase with the frequency doubling on the 79, therefore, fewer deckers will be cascaded out as a result of new Platinum deliveries

[Sh4318]

Interesting to read that "Due to severe traffic congestion, in particular along the Soho Road and across the M5 motorway at the Hawthorns, this has lead to poor reliability on the 74 and 75 over the past 12 months. This has resulted in buses being unable to operate as reliable as planned and has significantly impacted customer journeys."

So why isn't the 74 being withdrawn and replaced by a service between Birmingham and West Bromwich and another one between West Bromwich and Dudley.

This would never happen. There's no good reason to withdraw a core, well used frequency route with no alternative. The 75 has an alternative, so the impact of withdrawal is a lot less

[Stu]

Bloody hell, don't they proof read?!

Another one:
As a result of the above we are changing services 39, 75, 75 & 79 to prove a simpler and more effective network of buses, that will hopefully benefit the majority of our customers.

[Steve3229vp]

With the 75 been replaced by 74E's and more 79's I think this could be the start of future service changes involving splitting more longer routes to improve reliability. With traffic congestion as it is now this is the only way to improve reliability, long routes just don't work anymore.