Rubbish on Vehicles

[Bryan]

I had rides on two TXWM vehicles this morning that looked like mobile rubbish tips.

6717 on the 900 from Swan Island to central Birmingham and 2111 on the 120 from Birmingham to Dudley. These were not good for enticing passengers onto public transport, especially on the 900 service. The 120 service included numerous Metro newspapers, and an hot meal carton and a can on a seat.

Can I suggest that, based upon these observations, NXWM display a few posters in the bus interiors for passengers to dispose of their rubbish off the bus in an outside bin. Also, is distributing the Metro on buses good for revenue in the long-term?

[AV4248]

I had rides on two TXWM vehicles this morning that looked like mobile rubbish tips.

6717 on the 900 from Swan Island to central Birmingham and 2111 on the 120 from Birmingham to Dudley. These were not good for enticing passengers onto public transport, especially on the 900 service. The 120 service included numerous Metro newspapers, and an hot meal carton and a can on a seat.

Can I suggest that, based upon these observations, NXWM display a few posters in the bus interiors for passengers to dispose of their rubbish off the bus in an outside bin. Also, is distributing the Metro on buses good for revenue in the long-term?

You do get cleaners coming on the bus to pick up rubbish, especially in Birmingham, so you may have just been a bit unlucky.

As for passengers leaving rubbish? I don't think there's a lot there can be done really, it's as if they don't care sometimes. There used to be an illustration style ad years ago on buses telling passengers not to litter.

[2206]

You do get cleaners coming on the bus to pick up rubbish, especially in Birmingham, so you may have just been a bit unlucky.

As for passengers leaving rubbish? I don't think there's a lot there can be done really, it's as if they don't care sometimes. There used to be an illustration style ad years ago on buses telling passengers not to litter.

Some Bordesley Green Omniinks have a advert asking passengers to help keep the bus clean. @AV4248

[MW]

The things you find on an 11 when coming back to garage. Beer cans with beer spilt everywhere, chicken bones dotted around upstairs and a hell of a lot of Big Johns boxes. It goes past a good few Big Johns doesn't it?! Acocks Green, Erdington, Perry Barr, Soho Road & Selly Oak of the top of my head. You could even count Kings Heath! So it's basically a Big Johns waste bin lol.

[the trainbasher]

@MW although you must admit it is quite cheap at Big Johns so it's no wonder that the 11 becomes the waste basket for it.

[4006]

These jokers who litter the buses can't read so theres no point putting up notices. Most notices are unnoticed in any case.
These litter louts r probably the same jokers who think they are bad boys from Landon largin it with out of date tickets and stolen oap passes
Society  is a state it's just a pity we have 2 live with these selfish inconsiderate asses. Maybe some will grow up and change..the ones that r already grown up there's no hope. Chavs r uneducationable

[MW]

Speaking of stolen OAP passes, I've noticed some young looking pensioners recently. A man who looked at most 45, using a pensioner pass. I'm surprised at how many people have these pensioner/disabled passes too tbh. I expected disabled passes being for people with some sort of walking difficulty, but the majority don't seem to have that problem. How come they get free passes?

[2206]

Speaking of stolen OAP passes, I've noticed some young looking pensioners recently. A man who looked at most 45, using a pensioner pass. I'm surprised at how many people have these pensioner/disabled passes too tbh. I expected disabled passes being for people with some sort of walking difficulty, but the majority don't seem to have that problem. How come they get free passes?

@MW
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/mobility34/concessionary.aspx

[P419 EJW]

Speaking of stolen OAP passes, I've noticed some young looking pensioners recently. A man who looked at most 45, using a pensioner pass. I'm surprised at how many people have these pensioner/disabled passes too tbh. I expected disabled passes being for people with some sort of walking difficulty, but the majority don't seem to have that problem. How come they get free passes?

@MW, I don't like that sentence. I have the disabled bus pass because I am deaf. I walk fine. Deafness comes under as a disability.

[BK63 YWP]

@MW, I don't like that sentence. I have the disabled bus pass because I am deaf. I walk fine. Deafness comes under as a disability.

My partner is partiality deaf in his left ear which effects his balance some times and he gets a concessionary pass. He only ever uses it in the midlands cos he hates our road network. On the subject of rubbish, its just some passengers that have no respect for our public transport.

[MW]

@MW, I don't like that sentence. I have the disabled bus pass because I am deaf. I walk fine. Deafness comes under as a disability.

There's no need to get offended, it's a genuine question. I don't know much about this sector of the government, that gives out free passes.

If you could answer this question, I'd be grateful.

What has a hearing disability got to do with a free bus pass? Surely it'd be a benefit for people whose disability affects walking/or walking for a length of time (I.e. Wheelchair users etc, or things like hip replacement people who can't walk for long, or like the example above about hearing affecting walking)

Forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant/rude/sarcastic but I genuinely don't see the logic unless I'm missing something?

[P419 EJW]

There's no need to get offended, it's a genuine question. I don't know much about this sector of the government, that gives out free passes.

If you could answer this question, I'd be grateful.

What has a hearing disability got to do with a free bus pass? Surely it'd be a benefit for people whose disability affects walking/or walking for a length of time (I.e. Wheelchair users etc, or things like hip replacement people who can't walk for long, or like the example above about hearing affecting walking)

Forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant/rude/sarcastic but I genuinely don't see the logic unless I'm missing something?

People might look "normal" but who knows what disabilities/problems they have got. They may not be obvious. It's the same for deafness. Everyone assumes I can hear, they shout to get my attention, they approach to me and ask them why I am ignoring them. I reply "I am profoundly deaf, I can't hear you." They feel bad and apologise. Some deaf people are stubborn not to have any hearing aids or a cochlear implant - they would look normal with nothing on the ears, some (like me) like having them on. Maybe people who have "hearing disability" would have problems communicating with the bus drivers? ??? I am not well knowledged in the government sector either, but I would assume people who are eligible for the bus passes because they have medical conditions that makes them unable to drive cars but they can walk, for example. I might have explained it in a rubbish way, I'm tired, I hope you understand where I am coming from.

[Other Walsall Tony]

And how about putting feet on seats?  I believe there are people on here who think it is fine to put their dirty shoes on a rear facing seat!
And why do some people, especially around Walsall, talk about 'chairs' on buses??

[Ashley 60171]

People might look "normal" but who knows what disabilities/problems they have got. They may not be obvious. It's the same for deafness. Everyone assumes I can hear, they shout to get my attention, they approach to me and ask them why I am ignoring them. I reply "I am profoundly deaf, I can't hear you." They feel bad and apologise. Some deaf people are stubborn not to have any hearing aids or a cochlear implant - they would look normal with nothing on the ears, some (like me) like having them on. Maybe people who have "hearing disability" would have problems communicating with the bus drivers? ??? I am not well knowledged in the government sector either, but I would assume people who are eligible for the bus passes because they have medical conditions that makes them unable to drive cars but they can walk, for example. I might have explained it in a rubbish way, I'm tired, I hope you understand where I am coming from.

It's also the "there's nothing wrong with them" belief that can make the genuinely disabled ashamed/embarrassed for having their disability because some people are just ignorant and assume they can function. For example somebody who is visually impaired, they might not have a symbol cane/long white cane etc but may struggle to see.

I think a driver on here also questioned why people flag down a bus they don't want. I am guilty of that purely because it has to be right in my face to see it and my argument for roller blinds staying.

Yes there are fraudsters. It also seems that NXWM seem to carry the gold standard of undesirables given what I see myself or try to see and what I read. Fighting a losing battle.

[Tony]

There's no need to get offended, it's a genuine question. I don't know much about this sector of the government, that gives out free passes.

If you could answer this question, I'd be grateful.

What has a hearing disability got to do with a free bus pass? Surely it'd be a benefit for people whose disability affects walking/or walking for a length of time (I.e. Wheelchair users etc, or things like hip replacement people who can't walk for long, or like the example above about hearing affecting walking)

Forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant/rude/sarcastic but I genuinely don't see the logic unless I'm missing something?

Yes, you do come across as ignorant, seeing as you will have done the NX disabaility awareness course as part of your CPC which explains such things.

My step dad had two strokes in his 50s, he had a disability pass for that reason. Yes the 10 steps from the bus stop onto the bus and to a seat he could manage no problem and looked like anybody else boarding, but walking any further was a problem which is why he was given free bus travel