New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion

[winston]

50 could possibly be due an upgrade? Certainly in years past it received new vehicles fairly regularly. That could make 6124-6148 available for cascade......

John

Possible....

Typically the 50 & 37(4/4a) have had new buses every 4-5 years, if that pattern followed suit, that would make it 2019+ for the 50.

[PB2938]

Possible....

Typically the 50 & 37(4/4a) have had new buses every 4-5 years, if that pattern followed suit, that would make it 2019+ for the 50.

What about WA 51 non new buses since 2012.

[Wolves256]

What happened to these orders?
10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrids
19 x Electric buses
22 x Fuel Cell in 2018.

[winston]

What happened to these orders?
10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrids
19 x Electric buses
22 x Fuel Cell in 2018.

I think the Wrights HEV96 gyro drive project got shelved, the others I understand are still due, but deliveries may now be 2019 onwards

[The Fox 4846]

My prediction would be that routes to get platinum would be:
50 (25); CV 11/12 (15); 126 & PN 9 (28), X21/X70 (7)
Then 4763-76 can be displaced for PB (907/952) as spare platinums can then be used for those routes on Sun. The 48 MMC's can be shared between WA(51) 14, PB(33) 14, AG(5) 8  & YW(2/3) 12. Then Gemini can be moved PB-AG to free ALX400, Then 16 (4843-58) can go to Coventry to replace Tridents with 12 to WB to replace ALX400. Well that's what i'd do anyway.

[2206]

My prediction would be that routes to get platinum would be:
50 (25); CV 11/12 (15); 126 & PN 9 (28), X21/X70 (7)
Then 4763-76 can be displaced for PB (907/952) as spare platinums can then be used for those routes on Sun. The 48 MMC's can be shared between WA(51) 14, PB(33) 14, AG(5) 8  & YW(2/3) 12. Then Gemini can be moved PB-AG to free ALX400, Then 16 (4843-58) can go to Coventry to replace Tridents with 12 to WB to replace ALX400. Well that's what i'd do anyway.

Why does the 952 need deckers, @John has said the Omnilinks on there are empty during the day?
Can't see that happening, as you'd then have the 2 types of MMC with different wheel axels (which NX keep at separate garages), at, PN, YW and PB.
As well as introducing a new elderly type at WB (Tridents) which the garage have never previously operated.
I don't think 8 MMC would be enough for the AG 5 either - the 5 and 73 interwork so if you put E400 MMC on the 5, you'd have to put them on the 73 as well.

[cris 99]

and what about the 97 last time it had new buses was 2000

[2206]

and what about the 97 last time it had new buses was 2000

The last time the 97 had new buses was new Omnilinks in 2007, they were taken of the 97 in 2010 and replaced with ex 94 2003 Tridents.

Not particularly unusual though:
The last time the 11 had new buses was in 2004 and some of the buses on it at the minute are older than those new for the route in 2004 (2001 B7TL ALX400).

[The Fox 4846]

I meant the remaining 12 of the Enviro batch (4858-70). Although AG & WA wouldn't be an issue you'd then have an issue with PN & PB. However I believe that it's going to be difficult especially with more deliveries every year to keep them separate. But if that issue can be rectified then that's what I'd do.

[cris 99]

my apolgies i totally forgot about the scanias lol as they werent really on there for very long  :D :D

[don]

The Platinum allocations suggested look about right to me.

However there are the planned hybrids for whatever route number has replaced 37, to Solihull - presumably will replace the elderly ALX at AG.

I don't see why 4763-4776 would leave CV - presumably could cascade within CV to replace Tridents.

[2206]

I meant the remaining 12 of the Enviro batch (4858-70). Although AG & WA wouldn't be an issue you'd then have an issue with PN & PB. However I believe that it's going to be difficult especially with more deliveries every year to keep them separate. But if that issue can be rectified then that's what I'd do.

Though the WA E400 currently on the 51 are currently being repainted into Crimson, I can't see them moving to Coventry antime soon either, requiring another repaint into Coventry blue.
Also I can't see what you'd replace all those Gemini you'd move to AG with at PB.

[2206]

The Platinum allocations suggested look about right to me.

However there are the planned hybrids for whatever route number has replaced 37, to Solihull - presumably will replace the elderly ALX at AG.

I don't see why 4763-4776 would leave CV - presumably could cascade within CV to replace Tridents.

If you mean the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, nobody has ever actually confirmed what route they are for - the only thing that was said is that there will be a refuelling centre on the 37 route in Tyesley.
They won't be coming this year either.
If they are for the 37 they'd only displace single decker E200 MMC as well, at least some of the current B7TL ALX400 will need to be displaced by deckers, as some of them are used on the 11 (unless you were to potentialy covert another route to single decker operation to free up Gemini).

[MasterPlan]

My prediction would be that routes to get platinum would be:
X21/X70 (7)

7? The X21 would need 7 on its own?

[don]

If you mean the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, nobody has ever actually confirmed what route they are for - the only thing that was said is that there will be a refuelling centre on the 37 route in Tyesley.
They won't be coming this year either.
If they are for the 37 they'd only displace single decker E200 MMC as well, at least some of the current B7TL ALX400 will need to be displaced by deckers, as some of them are used on the 11.

I would have thought Warwick Road/Stratford Road corridor - however could TfWM end up leasing them to an operator, given the way they seem to be headed currently?

Noted regarding the 11 - however was AGs allocation of ALX increased recently, trap converted to allow running into the City. The 11 would appear to be a superb candidate for hybrid buses given its nature and traffic congestion (I'm not holding my breath though)!!