New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion

[uniquicity]

Could transfer the old hybrids to WB and stick em on the 74 as Soho road is pretty much stop start (I am aware there probably isn't enough to fully convert the route)  ;)

Depends if you split it ;) (another discussion)...

[Tony]

Is these purchase of these vehicles being funded wholly by NXWM rather than being subsidised through funding like previous batches of hybrids?

Yes, fully NX funded

[Jack]

Could transfer the old hybrids to WB and stick em on the 74 as Soho road is pretty much stop start (I am aware there probably isn't enough to fully convert the route)  ;)

I think they would look good on the 127/8.

[2206]

I think they would look good on the 127/8.

Personally, I'd like to see them go onto the 72, or the 94.
Though in my opinion they'd look good wherever they are moved onto and they still look smart, even the older ones after spending 6 years on the 22/23.

[Jack]

Or the 72, or the 94.

Well the 127/128 really as they have the ALX400 B7TL's, some of which have never been refurbed. If they went to WB then I'd put them on the 127/128 and put the spares on the 89.

[DeanM66A]

Well the 127/128 really as they have the ALX400 B7TL's, some of which have never been refurbed. If they went to WB then I'd put them on the 127/128 and put the spares on the 89.

Or perhaps to the banks of the silvery Tay?

[MasterPlan]

Will these hybrid platinums have the same grey livery as the others? Or will it be green? And is 38 enough to cover the entire Harborne corridor?

[Mike K]

Will these hybrid platinums have the same grey livery as the others? Or will it be green? And is 38 enough to cover the entire Harborne corridor?

I don't know the numbers so this won't be accurate, but in the region of 14-15 vehicles on the 22/23, maybe 9-10 on the 24? The 29 is the longest of the routes but also the least frequent so maybe up to 10 buses. So my guess would be a requirement for around 34-35 vehicles with 3 to 4 spare which I understand at c 10% is the norm.

On the livery, I'm guessing standard Platinum with green swoop and detailing instead of red.

[Sh4318]

Well the 127/128 really as they have the ALX400 B7TL's, some of which have never been refurbed. If they went to WB then I'd put them on the 127/128 and put the spares on the 89.

I really can't see them on the 127/128s, although I'd welcome them on the 89, can't see them on there either

[MW]

I really can't see them on the 127/128s, although I'd welcome them on the 89, can't see them on there either

I don't think routes like the 127/128 are important/mainstream enough. I'd expect them to move over to the 63, if they remain at BC.

When I say important enough, I mean main corridors. Having said that, they're not exactly currently on a main corridor are they?

[Eric Shaw]

If the 38 new Hybrid Platinums are to be fully funded by NXWM, what has happened to the 10 Wrightbus HEV's promised, which were to be part funded by the Government, by NXWM in the July 26th issue of Coach and Bus weekly, for delivery in 2017.

[Mike K]

When I say important enough, I mean main corridors. Having said that, they're not exactly currently on a main corridor are they?

Maybe not main roads but a corridor that has 18 buses an hour during the day.

[Mike K]

These vehicles will have a capacitor to store surplus energy as electricity which will be used to help accelerate to reduce energy consumption, but will not have hybrid batteries like early hybrids

Doing a spot of reading on this new hybrid technology you describe. An article in Bus & Coach Buyer has this:

"For 2018, ADL is developing a 48V Hybrid system using a motor generator connected to the propshaft via a drive belt and storing energy in supercapacitors. The system is independent on the vehicle's 24V electric system and contains no high voltages. By recovering up to 12kW during braking, it can deliver an additional 180Nm torque on starting, reducing fuel consumption by 4-8% on an Enviro400."

Possibly way wide of the mark, but I wonder if these new vehicles will use the system referred to above (although the timing might be too early for something reportedly not due until next year?)

[winston]

Doing a spot of reading on this new hybrid technology you describe. An article in Bus & Coach Buyer has this:

"For 2018, ADL is developing a 48V Hybrid system using a motor generator connected to the propshaft via a drive belt and storing energy in supercapacitors. The system is independent on the vehicle's 24V electric system and contains no high voltages. By recovering up to 12kW during braking, it can deliver an additional 180Nm torque on starting, reducing fuel consumption by 4-8% on an Enviro400."

Possibly way wide of the mark, but I wonder if these new vehicles will use the system referred to above (although the timing might be too early for something reportedly not due until next year?)

Sounds likely those are will be the one's due, 2018 isn't that far away now.

If you cast your mind back, NXWM took deliver of the first E200MMC's off the production line & was also the first to trial stop/start on them on behalf of ADL.

[GeminiFan1991]

Sounds likely those are will be the one's due, 2018 isn't that far away now.

If you cast your mind back, NXWM took deliver of the first E200MMC's off the production line & was also the first to trial stop/start on them on behalf of ADL.

I've been wondering, how are those E200MMC's with the start/ stop tech doing ?