New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion

[Tony]

No more demos sorry

Changed silly rumour, but one is expected shortly

[don]

My understanding was that only vehicles expected to still be in service for another five years (from 2023) would get the grey repaint.

That takes us up to 2028. NX have set themselves a target of having a 100% zero emission fleet by 2030.

With the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs getting the grey treatment, that tells me the single decks will be the last to be replaced.

The earliest E400s won't last until 2028 I would imagine, though they've still got another few years left in them.

I thought the 4881 onwards vehicles were planned to get a refurb whereas the earlier E400s just a repaint (hence the 4830-4842 and 4763-4776 repaints). 

[Jack]

I'd at least hope they'd be repainting and refurbing the Red/White 49** E400's (as well as 4899). The state of some of those are awful. 

[JosephR]

If you go by how old the interior is (4880 and newer) the crimson e400s aren't really due for refurbs.

The red&white 49** are dire inside and out.
Early mmcs don't look so bad, but do need attention.

The re-branding on suttons and cov road lines look a cheap tacky patch up job. Look worse then WA & AG  mmc

[BlackCountryBusSpotter]

4951 has the newest interior out of all the Red and White E400's as it has the Crimson Interior after suffering an Arson attack on the 48 in Weoley Castle A couple of years ago, also from memory 4968 when I saw that in Wolverhampton Bus Station after doing an X8 looked really smart in Red and White. Some WB ones do need a refurb but a lot are still quite smart. 

[jasmine]

My sister has been telling me she's seen the new electrics run down parts of the 16 route, lozells and handsworth wood road specifically, she couldn't give me a fleet number though. been doing so for multiple days

[Jay71]

I saw o

My sister has been telling me she's seen the new electrics run down parts of the 16 route, lozells and handsworth wood road specifically, she couldn't give me a fleet number though. been doing so for multiple days

I saw one yesterday morning in Hampstead Village, going in the B'ham direction. Must have been about 0930

[Tony]

It's the standard driver training route for PB garage, each driver goes Perry Barr to Scott Arms down the 16 route to the city centre and back to Perry Barr.

It was E165 today will be E167 tomorrow

[jasmine]

It's the standard driver training route for PB garage, each driver goes Perry Barr to Scott Arms down the 16 route to the city centre and back to Perry Barr.

It was E165 today will be E167 tomorrow

any reason why its the 16? efficiency? not too long not too short? a good city loop? sharp weird turns like newton road and handsworth wood park gates?

[Tony]

any reason why its the 16? efficiency? not too long not too short? a good city loop? sharp weird turns like newton road and handsworth wood park gates?

Just the garage Driver trainer likes that circuit

[2900]

There's a red/white 4900 in W/B garages bodywork bay possibly the first  W/B deck'er from new to get the full refurb in years i believe, quite exstensive re'planeling  from what i,ve seen

[LD713821]

My understanding was that only vehicles expected to still be in service for another five years (from 2023) would get the grey repaint.

That takes us up to 2028. NX have set themselves a target of having a 100% zero emission fleet by 2030.

With the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs getting the grey treatment, that tells me the single decks will be the last to be replaced.

The earliest E400s won't last until 2028 I would imagine, though they've still got another few years left in them.

What even happened to TFWM's plan to have all trains, trams and buses into the TFWM livery.
it seemed pretty smart tbf

[BlackCountryBusSpotter]

What even happened to TFWM's plan to have all trains, trams and buses into the TFWM livery.
it seemed pretty smart tbf

The Trams are some 172's are and some Buses are on the old Partnership Routes, presumably for the Buses they planned to make routes like the 4's, 16 and others Partnership between NX and Diamond but as it wasn't working they idea was scrapped so they abandoned that idea. So Now NX and Diamond have Buses floating around in the WMB Partnership livery that are now pointless. I think the 31 and 32 still have some sort of agreement, the 40 I'm not sure, the 42 is now Diamond and the 43 now NX so that one has been scrapped. They both operate the 40 but I'm not sure if it is still a Partnership anymore. I guess this new Nbus makes all Operators Partners within reason

[JosephR]

I don't see why some people keep up the complaints on the new livery. If you look at the 2021 hydroliners, and early 2020 electrics you can see that there is only 2 shades of grey anyway. The darker shade doesn't really stand out as there's so little of it.

Plus the new livery (on the electrics) is complimented by more vinyl under the windows that does look like the platinum 'tick' 'swoosh' altered. So imo is kind of like the last two livery's combined.

The repaints/ refurbs haven't had the extra vinyl to compliment which is why they look more boring.

[JosephR]

I think the reason the livery is changed so often is adapting to new vehicles body. What suits some don't suit others.