New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion

[DJ]

If the 74 / 87/82 wb routes got a make over before the 94/97 that would really be taking the Micheal considering they have had upgrades fairly recently. However I could end up being surprised  :o

Yeah, but that would then allow for those buses to be cascaded elsewhere to replace even older ones. The 82/87 Trident E400s are over 10 years old though, they aren't that new.

[MasterPlan]

Your Status: Probably more chance of the ☓21 being withdrawn than upgraded.
My Status: So what would you replace the X21 with then, please don't say bring back the 29 !

I'm not sure what the 29 has to do with it.

[Stu]

Why do you think that? There's nothing wrong with the 2 year old buses on the X1/X2/X3/X4/X5/X7/X8/529?
The passengers won't be able to tell the difference between the PB batch and the new ones. To the passengers they're exactly the same as the new ones, so its not realy an upgrade. I don't think any of the passengers on the X1/X2 can tell the difference between the 2016/17/18 MMC.
The reason that occured with the orriginal X1 and X2 ones, I believe is as it was said they couldn't operate the 2015 MMC and later batches at the same garage, due to differences between them?

Please, calm down with the hostility, and reciting the list of bus routes, we are all already aware of them.

And note the use of my wording "I think", "more likely" and "could", as well as 'upgrade' enclosed within quotes, we are all just speculating here and putting forward opinions.

There may not be any benefit to passengers, but there could be operational reasons for doing what I suggested, perhaps if has already been suggested another Walsall route such as the 51 were to be Platinum upgraded, or the 94 at Perry Barr, it might be beneficial to have most of the new vehicles go there, and cascade the older ones elsewhere, as has already been done previously at BC.

I might of course be wrong, only those within NX will really know what is planned.

If the 74 / 87/82 wb routes got a make over before the 94/97 that would really be taking the Micheal considering they have had upgrades fairly recently. However I could end up being surprised  :o

Yeah, but that would then allow for those buses to be cascaded elsewhere to replace even older ones. The 82/87 Trident E400s are over 10 years old though, they aren't that new.

I'd happily have those 82/87 E400s at YW for the 2 and 3, even if they are over ten years old, would be an improvement over the 14-16 year old Tridents currently used.  ;D

[Steve3229vp]

I'm not sure what the 29 has to do with it.

Nothing as far as your concerned personally so my apologies to you,  but I've seen countless comments (not necessarily on this forum) about bringing back the 29 as the X21 is the only bus from City and Weoley Castle. I used to use the 29 but I prefer the X22 as it is quicker to Quinton Road, I also used to use the X64 but the X21 is better because it avoids the Hospital main entrance.  Just out of interest what would you replace the X21 with as per your original status.

[MasterPlan]

Nothing as far as your concerned personally so my apologies to you,  but I've seen countless comments (not necessarily on this forum) about bringing back the 29 as the X21 is the only bus from City and Weoley Castle. I used to use the 29 but I prefer the X22 as it is quicker to Quinton Road, I also used to use the X64 but the X21 is better because it avoids the Hospital main entrance.  Just out of interest what would you replace the X21 with as per your original status.

They're right, but that's another discussion entirely.

[Sh4318]

officially announced today is this years order which is for another 75 platinums (6968-7000; 7500-7541) which are due in about 3 months

That'll finish off the 41** and 43** tridents, I would imagine :'(

[Jack]

No thanks, leave my 51 be with it's E400's  8)

Yeah, just throw the Platinums out onto the Soho Road and get vandalised...

[Mike K]

I'm going to predict that the next Platinums will be for the 33, 51, 45/47 and 60. (Probably miles off!).

[don]

Ok, here's my go at a prediction:-
1) As CV currently have 38 Tridents/B7TL (to 4424) I would expect one route's worth of extra Platinums for them (plus some cascaded E400 and also EV200 later in the year)
2) As the only corridors without significant Platinum operation in Birmingham are, probably Pershore Road, Soho Road, Alum Rock etc, Warwick Road I'd say at least one of 45/47 (possibly cascading 489x/490x E400 to CV), 94, 16.
3) WB 5 (could cascade 497x/498x E400 to CV)
4) WA 51 or 6
5) WN 1

150 Platinums appear to be enough to replace all non-trap fitted Tridents (to 4414 - thanks for comment 2206) and B7TL (maybe except 4415-4424)

[MasterPlan]

I'm going to predict that the next Platinums will be for the 33, 51, 45/47 and 60. (Probably miles off!).

I'd say that's not far off but I can see WB getting something.

[2206]

I'd say that's not far off but I can see WB getting something.

NX can't mix the 2015 and later deliveries can they though as they keep them apart?
If that was to happen and the 51 at WA was to get them they would probably require most of the new batch wouldn't they, about 60 i'd guess? It wouldn't leave many left for the 33, 45/7 and 60 would it, as the 15 reg would have to go to AG or WB it seeems? Unless they were to send them to a Garage such as PB, in exchage for the newer platinums, but swapping the later deliveries for the old ones without the charging points would be a bit of a downgrade for passengers on those routes?
Unless it is possible to fit charging points to 6701 - 58?

[Mike K]

NX can't mix the 2015 and later deliveries can they though as they keep them apart?
If that was to happen and the 51 at WA was to get them they would probably require most of the new batch wouldn't they, about 60 i'd guess? It wouldn't leave many left for the 33, 45/7 and 60 would it, as the 15 reg would have to go to AG or WB it seeems? Unless they were to send them to a Garage such as PB, in exchage for the newer platinums, but swapping the later deliveries for the old ones without the charging points would be a bit of a downgrade for passengers on those routes?
Unless it is possible to fit charging points to 6701 - 58?

Pensnett has both types of MMC (6101-10 are still there) so that not mixing of types has already gone out of the window.

[Stuharris 6360]

I think some of the new batch will go to WB who have no Platinums currently, maybe upgrade the 74 and cascade the E400s to another garage/route.

[2206]

Pensnett has both types of MMC (6101-10 are still there) so that not mixing of types has already gone out of the window.

Is that something to do with those being Crimson MMC rather than Platinum though?
Tony said the seats on both types of platinum are different sizes so there are problems there if they were mixed?
Or as you say will they start to mix them now, it'll be interesting to see?

The interior spec is one reason for keeping them apart. The seat cushions are a different size on 6701-58 and would cause problems if swapped between vehicles

[MasterPlan]

I think some of the new batch will go to WB who have no Platinums currently, maybe upgrade the 74 and cascade the E400s to another garage/route.

WB would need quite a lot for the 74 surely.