Will NXWM ever get Enviro300s

[winston]

Looking at Liberator9's earlier comment about some realiable, yet discontinued Scanias, I thought I read somewhere here that NX & Scania had a, to quoute, "fall out" - and if true, would never gain any contract/partnership deals within the near future... (Not saying that they would've...)

NXWM & Scania did have a falling out some time ago, such that NXWM peeled off the Scania badge/text off the front off virtually all it's the Omnilinks.....

Your last point about Scania not gaining any new NX contracts is incorrect, as NX Op's @ Start Hill have only very recently taken delivery of 26 x Tri-axle Scania/Caetano Levante coaches (SH176-SH201) for the A6 & A9 to Stansted Aiport

It's a great pity in my opinion that we won't be seeing the Euro 6 B8RLE in the NX fleet. Not a great fan of any of the current ADL single decker offerings.

I couldn't agree more Mr K  ;)

[Gareth]

I always assumed that Scania names were peeled off for livery aesthetics, not because of a 'fall out'. If that was a case isn't that extremely childish?! Like when you fall out with a crush at school and cross their name out of the back of your maths book!

[Liberator9]

If they seriously removed the names due to that then it is a bit childish. The 2010 versions at YW/AG never had the badge actually - just painted red.

[winston]

If they seriously removed the names due to that then it is a bit childish. The 2010 versions at YW/AG never had the badge actually - just painted red.

They did.... the majority were stripped of Scania names but not every single one. They were from the batches of Omnilinks numbered 1788-1907. 1909 onwards only had small blue Scania badges when new.

[Liberator9]

sorry Winston- never noticed those little badges! look better than the grey band though actually. No worries, Winston

[Stevo]

I'm not too sure about NXWM's recent history with Scania but I spoke to a TWM engineering manager back in 1997 and he said that Scania's service back-up on the N113s was so poor they wouldn't order Scania again. Presumably something changed as they did many years later.

[CL]

Looking at Liberator9's earlier comment about some realiable, yet discontinued Scanias, I thought I read somewhere here that NX & Scania had a, to quoute, "fall out" - and if true, would never gain any contract/partnership deals within the near future... (Not saying that they would've...)

NXWM & Scania did have a falling out some time ago, such that NXWM peeled off the Scania badge/text off the front off virtually all it's the Omnilinks.....

Your last point about Scania not gaining any new NX contracts is incorrect, as NX Op's @ Start Hill have only very recently taken delivery of 26 x Tri-axle Scania/Caetano Levante coaches (SH176-SH201) for the A6 & A9 to Stansted Aiport

Had forgotten completely about the coach fleet, lol! I was referring to the bus fleet, which I guess i'm correct there(?) :s

[winston]

Looking at Liberator9's earlier comment about some realiable, yet discontinued Scanias, I thought I read somewhere here that NX & Scania had a, to quoute, "fall out" - and if true, would never gain any contract/partnership deals within the near future... (Not saying that they would've...)

NXWM & Scania did have a falling out some time ago, such that NXWM peeled off the Scania badge/text off the front off virtually all it's the Omnilinks.....

Your last point about Scania not gaining any new NX contracts is incorrect, as NX Op's @ Start Hill have only very recently taken delivery of 26 x Tri-axle Scania/Caetano Levante coaches (SH176-SH201) for the A6 & A9 to Stansted Aiport

Had forgotten completely about the coach fleet, lol! I was referring to the bus fleet, which I guess i'm correct there(?) :s

To be fair, there's only really Stagecoach who buy Scania chassis in any quantity still. Plus the bus range available for Euro 6 onwards in the UK has shrunk even further and I believe Scania engines are known to be heavier on fuel than other manufacturers engines which is why Scania are offering Cummins engines as an option for Euro 6 onwards

[Liverpool Street]

Looking at Liberator9's earlier comment about some realiable, yet discontinued Scanias, I thought I read somewhere here that NX & Scania had a, to quoute, "fall out" - and if true, would never gain any contract/partnership deals within the near future... (Not saying that they would've...)

If not, call me crazy...

P.S. I think the Citywide would look good on some routes, if it were to be converted to RHD for UK use... Possibly an upgrade for the BY fleet, would be nice to see some on the 8. (Despite 7 year old 'modern' buses.)

P.S. #2: Fairplay to Scania, their buses still look top notch and new in the NX fleet, not including the fact that most of these has just been repainted...

I wasn't aware of the Scania Citywide so have just Googled it. Good god it's ugly. That would be like a throwback to when the Merc 0405Ns were introduced, one of the ugliest vehicles to blight the fleet.

It's a great pity in my opinion that we won't be seeing the Euro 6 B8RLE in the NX fleet. Not a great fan of any of the current ADL single decker offerings.

The Decker Citywide is a good looking vehicle in my opinion. The single deck is shed though. Odd what a difference that extra deck could make.

[2900]

From what I,ve read please correct me if other wise, the new 2015 enviro 200 lwb will seat 46 passengers thus wiping out the enviro 300, my guess would be nx will be ordering these light weights to wipe out the heavy weights of  B10L,s and MERCS, fat chance of ever seeing citaros widely regarded on the net as best current single decker can't comment never been on one. Or volvo B8RLE!s even scania,s even after this exclusive deal is done. As Tony has mentioned before less vehicle types means less spares ,simple  economics will dictate in future me thinks.

[winston]

From what I,ve read please correct me if other wise, the new 2015 enviro 200 lwb will seat 46 passengers thus wiping out the enviro 300, my guess would be nx will be ordering these light weights to wipe out the heavy weights of  B10L,s and MERCS, fat chance of ever seeing citaros widely regarded on the net as best current single decker can't comment never been on one. Or volvo B8RLE!s even scania,s even after this exclusive deal is done. As Tony has mentioned before less vehicle types means less spares ,simple  economics will dictate in future me thinks.

The new E200MMC does seem to have been stretched up to max 11.8M, which pretty matches the lightweight Wrightbus DF Max lengths available.

There may still be a market for the E300 as a heavier weight chassis, as Stagecoach currently take E300's both ADL integral's & Scania chassis. ADL could always offer the E300 body option on the Volvo B8RLE, which something they haven't done for a while since B10BLE's on ALX300 finished I believe.

[Liberator9]

Citaros are great buses - used them on the 82 and down in London on the 521/507. Great buses which barely rattle, have a powerful engine and actually feel like a proper bus, not like ADLs. I would much rather have Scanias (Omnilinks funny enough still being produced - 64 reg on flickr!), Volvo B8RLEs or Citaros.

[Stevo]

I don't think Omnilinks are still being made - whatever is taking the road is probably dealer stock that was unsold. I too like Citaros, but the odd interior with 6 seats facing backwards and the nearside seats over the engine being on two levels makes them less than perfect. The ideal choice would be the seperate underframe version with a Wright body but it's not being made available.

[Liberator9]

https://www.flickr.com/search?text=CY64EMS&sort=relevance was the 64 reg new Omnilink.

The new Citaro 2 has a new layout, with only the bay seats now, not the extra pair of rear facing seat (https://www.flickr.com/photos/antrimfj/15742167175/sizes/h/)

(photos not mine - credit to authors)

[winston]

https://www.flickr.com/search?text=CY64EMS&sort=relevance was the 64 reg new Omnilink.

The new Citaro 2 has a new layout, with only the bay seats now, not the extra pair of rear facing seat (https://www.flickr.com/photos/antrimfj/15742167175/sizes/h/)

(photos not mine - credit to authors)

The Omnilinks are Euro 5 dealer stock