Hybrid's

[Jay]

From FB

HYBRIDS: In case you haven't noticed yet, NX have moved some of their electric hybrid buses to standardise fleets at Birmingham Central (BC) and Wolverhampton (WN) garages. Previously both garages operated both types of hybrid bus, but now BC have all the Wright Gemini 2 B5LHs (for services 22 and 23), with WN having all the ADL Enviro400Hs (for services 1 and 59).

[NXWM Spectra]

Interesting to know that the 59 is recognised there. Confirms that the 59 will continue getting hybrids. There hasn't been one of 5401-5409 on there yet though.

[Stuharris 6360]

Jut thinking, i wonder whether NE will ever buy anymore Hybrids, obviously in the last round of bidding for money they didn't get anymore money for them and NE seem very reluctant to put there hands in there pockets and buy any outright.

[mranon]

i wonder if they are worth the extra outlay? for all the hybrids they have, if the same amount of money bought conventional buses how many extra would that money have stretched too?

[Trident 4609]

Interesting to know that the 59 is recognised there. Confirms that the 59 will continue getting hybrids. There hasn't been one of 5401-5409 on there yet though.

I'd imagine the surplus hybrids will appear on 59's still. There will probably be some E400H's out on 59's on Saturday. I wonder if the remaining B5's at WN will stay till the weekend?

[Mike K]

i wonder if they are worth the extra outlay? for all the hybrids they have, if the same amount of money bought conventional buses how many extra would that money have stretched too?

My understanding of hybrids, and happy to be corrected on this, is that they aren't significantly more fuel efficient, but do have lower CO2 emissions than standard diesel buses. With significantly higher purchase costs, and higher maintenance costs, it takes years to recoup the extra outlay, so unless they are subsidised there is little incentive outside of environmental concerns for operators to buy them. It's not therefore surprising that most operators will only buy them with Green Bus funding assistance.

Incidentally I read somewhere (possibly on here?) from someone in the know that the NX B5LHs were returning far better fuel economy than the E400Hs. Don't know whether that's still the case but the shorter length, stop start systems, and moving off under electric power would, you would imagine, all help with fuel consumption.

[Liverpool Street]

i wonder if they are worth the extra outlay? for all the hybrids they have, if the same amount of money bought conventional buses how many extra would that money have stretched too?

My understanding of hybrids, and happy to be corrected on this, is that they aren't significantly more fuel efficient, but do have lower CO2 emissions than standard diesel buses. With significantly higher purchase costs, and higher maintenance costs, it takes years to recoup the extra outlay, so unless they are subsidised there is little incentive outside of environmental concerns for operators to buy them. It's not therefore surprising that most operators will only buy them with Green Bus funding assistance.

Incidentally I read somewhere (possibly on here?) from someone in the know that the NX B5LHs were returning far better fuel economy than the E400Hs. Don't know whether that's still the case but the shorter length, stop start systems, and moving off under electric power would, you would imagine, all help with fuel consumption.

I don't like this intelligent Mike K.

But yes, you are correct. And I think it was either @BN or @uniquicity of whom stated the above. Or even possibly me, but who knows, as I can hardly remember my last movement.

[Sayeed]

My understanding of hybrids, and happy to be corrected on this, is that they aren't significantly more fuel efficient, but do have lower CO2 emissions than standard diesel buses. With significantly higher purchase costs, and higher maintenance costs, it takes years to recoup the extra outlay, so unless they are subsidised there is little incentive outside of environmental concerns for operators to buy them. It's not therefore surprising that most operators will only buy them with Green Bus funding assistance.

Incidentally I read somewhere (possibly on here?) from someone in the know that the NX B5LHs were returning far better fuel economy than the E400Hs. Don't know whether that's still the case but the shorter length, stop start systems, and moving off under electric power would, you would imagine, all help with fuel consumption.

Here; - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=139.msg16771#msg16771

[Stuharris 6360]

My understanding of hybrids, and happy to be corrected on this, is that they aren't significantly more fuel efficient, but do have lower CO2 emissions than standard diesel buses. With significantly higher purchase costs, and higher maintenance costs, it takes years to recoup the extra outlay, so unless they are subsidised there is little incentive outside of environmental concerns for operators to buy them. It's not therefore surprising that most operators will only buy them with Green Bus funding assistance.

Incidentally I read somewhere (possibly on here?) from someone in the know that the NX B5LHs were returning far better fuel economy than the E400Hs. Don't know whether that's still the case but the shorter length, stop start systems, and moving off under electric power would, you would imagine, all help with fuel consumption.

Here; - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=139.msg16771#msg16771

that's interesting, i thought that one or more of the Hybrid Enviros had been fitted with Stop/Start or am i imagining it.

[NXWM Spectra]

5409 has start-stop, I think it's the only one.

[Trident 4609]

5409 has start-stop, I think it's the only one.

Correct as i mentioned to you earlier :). Been on it once at BC and it was odd to catch an E400H with a start-start system

[Stuharris 6360]

Surprised that NE never decided to convert the rest of the Enviros to Start/Stop.

[Mike K]

i wonder if they are worth the extra outlay? for all the hybrids they have, if the same amount of money bought conventional buses how many extra would that money have stretched too?

My understanding of hybrids, and happy to be corrected on this, is that they aren't significantly more fuel efficient, but do have lower CO2 emissions than standard diesel buses. With significantly higher purchase costs, and higher maintenance costs, it takes years to recoup the extra outlay, so unless they are subsidised there is little incentive outside of environmental concerns for operators to buy them. It's not therefore surprising that most operators will only buy them with Green Bus funding assistance.

Incidentally I read somewhere (possibly on here?) from someone in the know that the NX B5LHs were returning far better fuel economy than the E400Hs. Don't know whether that's still the case but the shorter length, stop start systems, and moving off under electric power would, you would imagine, all help with fuel consumption.

I don't like this intelligent Mike K.

But yes, you are correct. And I think it was either @BN or @uniquicity of whom stated the above. Or even possibly me, but who knows, as I can hardly remember my last movement.

As long as you remembered to go to the toilet for your last movement LS.

There, normal service resumed.

[Liverpool Street]

i wonder if they are worth the extra outlay? for all the hybrids they have, if the same amount of money bought conventional buses how many extra would that money have stretched too?

My understanding of hybrids, and happy to be corrected on this, is that they aren't significantly more fuel efficient, but do have lower CO2 emissions than standard diesel buses. With significantly higher purchase costs, and higher maintenance costs, it takes years to recoup the extra outlay, so unless they are subsidised there is little incentive outside of environmental concerns for operators to buy them. It's not therefore surprising that most operators will only buy them with Green Bus funding assistance.

Incidentally I read somewhere (possibly on here?) from someone in the know that the NX B5LHs were returning far better fuel economy than the E400Hs. Don't know whether that's still the case but the shorter length, stop start systems, and moving off under electric power would, you would imagine, all help with fuel consumption.

I don't like this intelligent Mike K.

But yes, you are correct. And I think it was either @BN or @uniquicity of whom stated the above. Or even possibly me, but who knows, as I can hardly remember my last movement.

As long as you remembered to go to the toilet for your last movement LS.

There, normal service resumed.

Thank you @Mike K, you've restored my sanity (Or should it be sanitation?). Well, for now at least ;)

[Stevo]

5510 0n Harbourne routes today.