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Started by bahumbug, May 14, 2012, 08:09:51 PM

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MW

Quote from: Stu on August 03, 2022, 07:12:52 PMWhy would they do that when Tamworth is part of West Midlands (the wider region, not just the county!)
Why would they close the Tamworth depot?

Tamworth is part of Staffordshire, as is the Midland Classic depot (30mins away from Tamworth). 

As the Tamworth "depot" is an outstation of Tividale and from what I understand, a yard with minimal facilities, it may make sense to operate its services out of the Burton depot.

There's a *rumour* around about another acquisition more local to the current Tamworth depot which, if true, would render the Tamworth outstation obsolete.

andy41

Quote from: winston on August 03, 2022, 05:36:40 PMMidland Classic was related to all of D&G, Chaserider, Select & Centrebus Group via Julian Peddle. He was a Director at Midland Classic up until resigning on today's takeover.
But he was simply a Director. That doesn't make the businesses related and it doesn't mean anything to these other businesses or their future. That was my point. 

Lots of people are directors of multiple businesses that mean nothing to each other. 

Westy

Quote from: MW on August 03, 2022, 08:07:05 PMTamworth is part of Staffordshire, as is the Midland Classic depot (30mins away from Tamworth).

As the Tamworth "depot" is an outstation of Tividale and from what I understand, a yard with minimal facilities, it may make sense to operate its services out of the Burton depot.

There's a *rumour* around about another acquisition more local to the current Tamworth depot which, if true, would render the Tamworth outstation obsolete.
Well, I can only think of one 'major' one, and we know that the parent company have already disposed of depots locally over the past few years.

winston

Quote from: andy41 on August 03, 2022, 11:52:51 PMBut he was simply a Director. That doesn't make the businesses related and it doesn't mean anything to these other businesses or their future. That was my point.
Lots of people are directors of multiple businesses that mean nothing to each other.
Julian Peddle wasn't simply a Director, he owned shares in Midland Classic as he still does with Select Bus & Centrebus Group (owners of D&G & Chaserider) and there have been close ties / links / overlap with his various shareholdings in the past in different ways. There also appears to be close ties between Julian Peddle & Arriva, which incidentally Midland Classic originated from. I'm not suggesting anything will change with the remainder of his shareholdings now Midland Classic has been sold, but neither do I believe that JP's bus operator shareholdings all worked completely independent of one another.
 
IIRC Select Bus for example have expanded a number of times in recent years by taking over D&G's Stafford area services & subsequently Chaserider's Stafford Town Service, Select Bus aren't owned by Centrebus Group (owners of D&G & Chaserider) but they do have the common link via JP being a shareholder in both, coincidence....


andy41

Quote from: winston on August 04, 2022, 12:01:49 PMJulian Peddle wasn't simply a Director, he owned shares in Midland Classic as he still does with Select Bus & Centrebus Group (owners of D&G & Chaserider) and there have been close ties / links / overlap with his various shareholdings in the past in different ways. There also appears to be close ties between Julian Peddle & Arriva, which incidentally Midland Classic originated from. I'm not suggesting anything will change with the remainder of his shareholdings now Midland Classic has been sold, but neither do I believe that JP's bus operator shareholdings all worked completely independent of one another.
 
IIRC Select Bus for example have expanded a number of times in recent years by taking over D&G's Stafford area services & subsequently Chaserider's Stafford Town Service, Select Bus aren't owned by Centrebus Group (owners of D&G & Chaserider) but they do have the common link via JP being a shareholder in both, coincidence....


There was far less of an input at MC, merely a (minority) financial one and nothing more.

Centrebus Group including Centrebus, High Peak, D&G and Chaserider are a different kettle of fish. Whereas at Select the situation more resembles MC. 

So I repeat, absolutely no consequence for other businesses. Suggestions by other posters that infer otherwise are just unhelpful speculation at the least. 

BNH2004

New Fleet Numbers for the Ex Midland Classic Buses, all information found on https://ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/diamondbuses.pdf

Scania L94UB Wright Solar
30901 - YN05 GXL
30902 - YN05 GXJ
30903 - YN05 GXH
30904 - YN05 GXG
30905 - FX55 VLO
30906 - FX55 VKH
30907 - FX55 YKG
30908 - YN57 FWG

VDL SB200 Wright Pulsar
30909 - JP54 MCL

Optare Versa
30910 - JB08 MCL
30912 - NK09 FVE

Scania K230UB ADL Enviro300
30913 - HX62 MCL

Scania Irizar i3
30985 - YN64 FWZ
30986 - YN64 FWY
30987 - YN64 FWX
30988 - YN64 FWW
30989 - YN64 FWV
30990 - YN64 FWU
30997 - YN17 ONL
30998 - YN17 ONK
30999 - YN17 ONJ
31000 - YN17 ONH
31001 - YN17 ONG
31002 - YN17 ONF

Optare Metrocity
30991 - YJ16 DXU
30992 - YJ16 DXT
30993 - YJ66 APK
30994 - YJ66 APF
30995 - YJ66 AOZ
30996 - YJ66 AOY

Volvo B8RLE MCV EvoRa
31003 - BV21 OPM

ADL Enivro200
31423 - YX12 AYZ
31424 - YX12 AKK
31425 - YX12 DJE
31426 - YX12 DJD
31427 - YX12 AZW
31428 - KW14 MCL
31429 - JB14 MCL
31430 - JB64 MCL
31431 - YY67 USO
31432 - YY67 USF
31433 - YY67 USB

Scania OmniCity
40519 - YN08 MKP
40520 - YN08 MKO

ADL Enviro 400
40521 - SN11 BNL
40522 - SN11 BNE
40523 - SN11 BND
40524 - SN11 BNA
40525 - SN11 BMZ
40526 - SN11 BMV
40527 - SN11 BMU

VDL Wright Pulsar Gemini
40633 - LJ04 LFV
40634 - LJ04 LGA

Volvo B7TL Plaxton President
40635 - LK04 NNL
40636 - LK04 NNF
40637 - LK04 NNE
40638 - LK54 FWO
40639 - LK54 FWL
40640 - LK54 FWR

IMarkeh

I get the feeling that a number of these buses will get sold on rather quickly after the full takeover due to most of them being none standard. If the cuts to Manchester are as big as they are saying and if Diamond don't win franchises up there, I can see a lot of Streetlites and Streetdecks coming into Burton to take over. 

DMCL

I thought some of the posts from "DJ" and "Andy41" over the last 2/3 days were a bit too sarcastic for this site where, on the whole, we respect one another's views even if we don't always agree with them.

Jack6101

Diamond street deck 40736 is currently ( was) at the midland classic depot ( pic on Facebook ) 
Local routes
74-Dudley -great bridge-west Brom-soho road-hockey-Birmingham
87-Dudley-tividale-oldbury-smethick-Dudley road , city hosp, Birmingham
126-Dudley-Birchley island-bearwood-Birmingham
14- Dudley - Oakham -whiteheath- blackheath- Quinton - helsowen
14A- Dudley - Oakham ( city road ) - blackheath - oldhill - Cradley Heath- quarry bank - merry hill

winston

Quote from: Jack6101 on August 05, 2022, 10:11:14 PMDiamond street deck 40736 is currently ( was) at the midland classic depot ( pic on Facebook )
Its 40726 from Redditch

Jack6101

Quote from: winston on August 05, 2022, 10:12:45 PMIts 40726 from Redditch
Yes that's the one , is there a date when diamond take over , or have they already ? 
Local routes
74-Dudley -great bridge-west Brom-soho road-hockey-Birmingham
87-Dudley-tividale-oldbury-smethick-Dudley road , city hosp, Birmingham
126-Dudley-Birchley island-bearwood-Birmingham
14- Dudley - Oakham -whiteheath- blackheath- Quinton - helsowen
14A- Dudley - Oakham ( city road ) - blackheath - oldhill - Cradley Heath- quarry bank - merry hill

winston

Quote from: Jack6101 on August 05, 2022, 10:29:50 PMYes that's the one , is there a date when diamond take over , or have they already ?
Rotala took over from 3rd August

Grinder

Looking at the lists of ex Midland Classic fleet numbers there seems to be some omissions on both the Buses website and on here.  The ones missing are:

29YN 03 ZXCOptare Solo M920
30YN 04 LWTOptare Solo M920
32YX 09 FMPAlexander Dennis E20D
56BV 55 UCUScania N94UD
85TFA 13Scania L94UB
91LK 56 FHEAlexander Dennis Trident 2
93LK 57 AXMAlexander Dennis Trident 2
 
TFA 13 was originally YN 04 ANX and is in the heritage livery of Stevensons of Uttoxeter.  Any thoughts, knowledge or ideas.

Simon Dunn

Quote from: Grinder on August 08, 2022, 11:29:57 AMLooking at the lists of ex Midland Classic fleet numbers there seems to be some omissions on both the Buses website and on here.  The ones missing are:

29YN 03 ZXCOptare Solo M920
30YN 04 LWTOptare Solo M920
32YX 09 FMPAlexander Dennis E20D
56BV 55 UCUScania N94UD
85TFA 13Scania L94UB
91LK 56 FHEAlexander Dennis Trident 2
93LK 57 AXMAlexander Dennis Trident 2
 
TFA 13 was originally YN 04 ANX and is in the heritage livery of Stevensons of Uttoxeter.  Any thoughts, knowledge or ideas.
I cannot comment on all of these.  However, TFA13 is owned personally by the former owner.  YX09FMP is a vehicle which is no longer owned by the company.  

SSmith09

Quote from: Grinder on August 08, 2022, 11:29:57 AMLooking at the lists of ex Midland Classic fleet numbers there seems to be some omissions on both the Buses website and on here.  The ones missing are:

29YN 03 ZXCOptare Solo M920
30YN 04 LWTOptare Solo M920
32YX 09 FMPAlexander Dennis E20D
56BV 55 UCUScania N94UD
85TFA 13Scania L94UB
91LK 56 FHEAlexander Dennis Trident 2
93LK 57 AXMAlexander Dennis Trident 2
 
TFA 13 was originally YN 04 ANX and is in the heritage livery of Stevensons of Uttoxeter.  Any thoughts, knowledge or ideas.
29 and 30 both withdrawn prior to sale
91 and 93 both withdrawn and sold last year

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