Perry Barr Garage

[Stu]

Yesterday (Mon 30th)

I saw a single deck X3 bulging at the seams and had to leave people.
Other day a single deck 7 again full to capacity leaving stops with people unable to board.

Will PBs double decker allocation be increased at all?

Eventually yes, but need Zenobe to get the chargers installed at depots so more EVs can start to be delivered.

[jamesX4]

Eventually yes, but need Zenobe to get the chargers installed at depots so more EVs can start to be delivered.

PB is a brand new garage, surely when built at considerable cost it was equipped for Hydrogen fueling! 

[Tony]

PB is a brand new garage, surely when built at considerable cost it was equipped for Hydrogen fueling!

You don't need Hydrogen fuelling to charge electric buses

[jamesX4]

You don't need Hydrogen fuelling to charge electric buses

Clearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install. 

An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.

Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?

[Tony]

Clearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.

An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.

Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?

But why would you build a garage with Hydrogen charging which is both expensive to install and takes up a lot of land if you intend operating electric buses from it?

[BK63 YWP]

Clearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.

An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.

Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?

Battery replacements/motor parts replacements will extend life like  they change diesel engine/parts for current diesels buses doubt any bus has there original engine.

[Tony]

Clearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.



Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?

You think electric charging points are relatively cheap to install? maybe for 1 car, not for 100 buses where a new substation is normally needed.

There's no reason why Electric buses won't last longer than diesels. Yes they will need new batteries (not NX problem, that is Zenobe's) but diesels generally need new engines & gearboxes which are just as expensive (ask Scania how much they want for a replacement engine). There's a lot less movement and vibration on an electric so the structure of the bus should last a lot longer.

[jamesX4]

You think electric charging points are relatively cheap to install? maybe for 1 car, not for 100 buses where a new substation is normally needed.
There's no reason why Electric buses won't last longer than diesels. Yes they will need new batteries (not NX problem, that is Zenobe's) but diesels generally need new engines & gearboxes which are just as expensive (ask Scania how much they want for a replacement engine). There's a lot less movement and vibration on an electric so the structure of the bus should last a lot longer.

Intending to run electric buses today based on current cost and government subsidy.  It will be interesting to see policy in 7 years or so.

It is positive to hear that electric buses don't cost any more, or significantly more than diesel buses over their lives.

[Tony]

Intending to run electric buses today based on current cost and government subsidy.  It will be interesting to see policy in 7 years or so.

It is positive to hear that electric buses don't cost any more, or significantly more than diesel buses over their lives.

The 170 buses that should start delivery in the next two weeks were ordered commercially. There's no government subsidy for them

[Stu]

Clearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.

An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.

Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?

The 51 is operated from Walsall garage, not Perry Barr. The ultimate intention is to have a hydrogen facility at the Walsall garage, which will be a benefit as it means vehicles don't have to travel to Tyseley to refuel.

No point having one at Perry Barr garage if they're not having any hydrogen buses.

[don]

The 51 is operated from Walsall garage, not Perry Barr. The ultimate intention is to have a hydrogen facility at the Walsall garage, which will be a benefit as it means vehicles don't have to travel to Tyseley to refuel.

No point having one at Perry Barr garage if they're not having any hydrogen buses.

However the Sprinters were meant to be hydrogen so it's only recently been announced these are to be electric. Talking of which, any news on when the Sprinters will arrive (at PB)? Or are NXWM still trying to talk the WMCA officers/politicians out of them? 

[Westy]

Is it intended Walsall operated routes will be eventually hydrogen operated?

[Mayfield]

Good luck to the people of Walsall

[2206]

1889 front, nearside and rear blinds are blank/not working whilst in service on the 28. No paper route number or signage.
At Ward End heading for Heartlands 15:20 today @Tony .

[spacecowboy150]

I saw 6797 in Sutton earlier displaying FD to Birmingham. It just went through and didnt stop or anything