Birmingham Central Garage

[Steve3229vp]

Do deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?

The shouldn't do, they've been doing it for years

[Stu]

Do deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?

Why would deckers struggle?

Everyone seems to forget they are shorter than a full-length single deck, double decks are as manoeuvrable as a midi-bus. 

[Sh4318]

Why would deckers struggle?

Everyone seems to forget they are shorter than a full-length single deck, double decks are as manoeuvrable as a midi-bus. 

So I'm guessing that's a no? I was just wondering from the perspective that it's a bus and not a car therefore you may not be able to make the turn in one go

[Stu]

So I'm guessing that's a no? I was just wondering from the perspective that it's a bus and not a car therefore you may not be able to make the turn in one go

It's easily done, I've watched them do it.

If you look on Google Maps you can see the marks on the road surface where vehicles are regularly turning round there.

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As already been pointed out, the 60 has been terminating and turning around there for many years, if there was any issue then the route would have had to have been changed.

[LiamsTransport1]

That is true. I don't know why they did vinyl when they're staying with WMR for the forseeable. At least the temporary livery applied to the 323s and 350/2s make sense

I would guess that the 172s were vinyled because at the time they wasn't that old as they didn't require a full repaint. Same happened with the 323s back when the switch between Regional Railways and Central Trains, the units didn't receive a repaint till London Midland took over the franchise.

[Lukeee]

Do deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?

Its a similar situation to the hamstead terminus on the 16 and deckers manage that 

[mesub]

Very small change that doesn't seem to have been advertised on the website:

Outbound 23 now stops at Kempsey House. Good for connecting with the X22.

Looks like it's been timed with the city centre changes and I can only assume stop announcements would have been updated to reflect this fact (haven't had a chance to go on one yet).

[Mike K]

Very small change that doesn't seem to have been advertised on the website:

Outbound 23 now stops at Kempsey House. Good for connecting with the X22.

Looks like it's been timed with the city centre changes and I can only assume stop announcements would have been updated to reflect this fact (haven't had a chance to go on one yet).

I hadn't realised until today that the 23/24 have reverted to their old Square Peg city centre terminus / timing point, instead of New St Station. 

[Mike K]

There seem to be big gaps in service on both the 23 and 24 today. This may be due in part to some buses not tracking but there have definitely been a number of journeys missing. A work colleague who uses the 24 from said 2 journeys failed to show from the Quinton Road West terminus. I gave up on the 23 as Bustimes showed a 29 minute gap and in the end caught 6844 on the 24 which was absolutely rammed. This was another short working to the Square Peg, and was taken out of service, despite the fact it should have run the outbound journey from town at 08.33. No idea what the issue is today. 

[BlackCountryBusSpotter]

There seem to be big gaps in service on both the 23 and 24 today. This may be due in part to some buses not tracking but there have definitely been a number of journeys missing. A work colleague who uses the 24 from said 2 journeys failed to show from the Quinton Road West terminus. I gave up on the 23 as Bustimes showed a 29 minute gap and in the end caught 6844 on the 24 which was absolutely rammed. This was another short working to the Square Peg, and was taken out of service, despite the fact it should have run the outbound journey from town at 08.33. No idea what the issue is today.

There was a crash on the A38 near to the Uni could have caused chaos around that area

[Mike K]

There was a crash on the A38 near to the Uni could have caused chaos around that area

I don't think that was the issue, traffic along the 23/24 routes was fine, the 24 I caught was on time and journeys that did operate before and after the "missing" ones were running roughly to time. There were only around 8 buses tracking on each route on Bustimes, compared to around 11-12 normally. 

I'm wondering if there are driver shortages due to Eid. 

[ellspurs]

I don't think that was the issue, traffic along the 23/24 routes was fine, the 24 I caught was on time and journeys that did operate before and after the "missing" ones were running roughly to time. There were only around 8 buses tracking on each route on Bustimes, compared to around 11-12 normally.
I'm wondering if there are driver shortages due to Eid.

https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/eid-disruption

There was a thing on there Monday saying that "special Eid services were in place" for 14/94/95/97 but that was only for Monday/Tuesday. That link above has appeared since then.

[Mike K]

https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/eid-disruption

There was a thing on there Monday saying that "special Eid services were in place" for 14/94/95/97 but that was only for Monday/Tuesday. That link above has appeared since then.

Thanks - yes, that link shows disruptions to the 23 and 24 throughout the day today so that probably explains it. 

[monkeyjoe]

Shortages of drivers this week linked to Eid celebrations maybe?

[Gareth]

Looks like a 97 has taken a wrong turning in the city centre. There's one currently looking a bit stranded on Dale End. It can't go forwards as it's too tall for the bridge and it can't turn right onto Albert Street as it's closed. Maybe a bit of awkward reversing needed to get it back onto the junction with Lower Bull Street.