Yardley Wood Garage

[Jack]

I'm hoping for the same at Perry Barr.
Before anybody uses the comment "better than no bus at all", it isn't and never has been

There's standing room and also has a limit, so yes it is better than no bus at all.

I'd much rather get on a full single than stand and wait in the cold and rain for longer. That's why people carry umbrellas too if you chose to!

[Lukeee]

There's standing room and also has a limit, so yes it is better than no bus at all.

I'd much rather get on a full single than stand and wait in the cold and rain for longer. That's why people carry umbrellas too if you chose to!

That's true but the issue here is People cannot get on the rammed singles as there too full

[Steve3229vp]

There's standing room and also has a limit, so yes it is better than no bus at all.

I'd much rather get on a full single than stand and wait in the cold and rain for longer. That's why people carry umbrellas too if you chose to!

How do you get of full single decker if it goes past you ?
So it is NOT better than no bus at all

[ellspurs]

If there was no bus at all, then when the decker finally comes along after three missed buses, guess what - it's full and goes sailing past you.

[Jack]

How do you get of full single decker if it goes past you ?
So it is NOT better than no bus at all

Simple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.

The constant moaning about Singles is getting tiresome, every knows NX have way too many. Unless you are offering to get some more Deckers yourself the only thing you can do is be patient.

[LiamsTransport1]

Simple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.

The constant moaning about Singles is getting tiresome, every knows NX have way too many. Unless you are offering to get some more Deckers yourself the only thing you can do is be patient.

Leaving early isn't exactly a option to most who may finish work / meetings at a set time. I also feel like the moaning is warrant for people who pay for a service and feel like there not getting the value they paid for. If they can't board a bus because it's full, there not exactly getting the service they paying for in my opinion.

[Mike K]

Simple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.

The constant moaning about Singles is getting tiresome, every knows NX have way too many. Unless you are offering to get some more Deckers yourself the only thing you can do is be patient.

Completely ignorant comment - "simply" leaving earlier really isn't an option for most people who commute due to work, college, or school. Maybe you'd feel differently if you were impacted day in, day out, by inadequate capacity on your local service.

[Ronnoc]

The "moaning" seems to be working because NX are about to boost double deck capacity on much needed routes. In fact, there should be even more moaning because this city deserves better public transport in general. Double deckers on every city centre route possible should be the very bare minimum.
Luckily I only have to get off at Sparkbrook from town, but I really do feel for the people that have to get off further down, paying money just to be cramped in an Omnilink every day is far from ideal.

[Stu]

Simple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.

So how long should someone be expected to wait for a bus that isn't full and actually stops to pick passengers up?

That was the issue that I had yesterday, and these kinds of issues do little to help encourage new passengers to use buses more often.

[Tony]

The "moaning" seems to be working because NX are about to boost double deck capacity on much needed routes. In fact, there should be even more moaning because this city deserves better public transport in general. Double deckers on every city centre route possible should be the very bare minimum.
Luckily I only have to get off at Sparkbrook from town, but I really do feel for the people that have to get off further down, paying money just to be cramped in an Omnilink every day is far from ideal.

Perhaps you could set up a company and run double decks in competition?

The single decks are an unfortunate legacy where it made sense to increase frequency because there were enough drivers available to operate the extra vehicles and takings actually covered the cost of running buses. You couldn't just go to a dealer and trade the current single decks for double decks now if you wanted to. The current delay in replacing them is caused by lots of operators switching to electric and the supply chain not keeping up.

[Ronnoc]

Perhaps you could set up a company and run double decks in competition?

The single decks are an unfortunate legacy where it made sense to increase frequency because there were enough drivers available to operate the extra vehicles and takings actually covered the cost of running buses. You couldn't just go to a dealer and trade the current single decks for double decks now if you wanted to. The current delay in replacing them is caused by lots of operators switching to electric and the supply chain not keeping up.

Perhaps I could, but I understand the predicament NX is in at the moment and while the issues will take time to resolve, I am optimistic for the future. However, This isn't just an issue with NX, it's an issue with lackluster alternative public transport and car over-dependancy.

[Tony]

Perhaps I could, but I understand the predicament NX is in at the moment and while the issues will take time to resolve, I am optimistic for the future. However, This isn't just an issue with NX, it's an issue with lackluster alternative public transport and car over-dependancy.

Yes, It's a problem with higher costs without the ability to raise income easily and staff shortages which affect lots of industries at the moment. You just notice it in buses because that's a service you use. There's plenty of other industries suffering the same

[mranon]

in regards to buses driving past, when i was driving, especially with double deckers, the amount of passengers who wouldnt go upstairs or go sit down and stand between the buggy w/c bay and drivers cab makes it look in the rear view mirror that the bus is full. When they wont shift, and as a driver i used to ask them, but get abuse back, i dont think deckers are always the answer. Tbh if they had the drivers, and the revenue coming in, i think single decks are better and safer without the upstairs.

[spacecowboy150]

in regards to buses driving past, when i was driving, especially with double deckers, the amount of passengers who wouldnt go upstairs or go sit down and stand between the buggy w/c bay and drivers cab makes it look in the rear view mirror that the bus is full. When they wont shift, and as a driver i used to ask them, but get abuse back, i dont think deckers are always the answer. Tbh if they had the drivers, and the revenue coming in, i think single decks are better and safer without the upstairs.

That really annoys me you know. 
I see DDs go past full at the bottom and like 3 people on top. 
everyone thinks they're gonna get robbed or something

[Danthebusman]

That really annoys me you know.
I see DDs go past full at the bottom and like 3 people on top.
everyone thinks they're gonna get robbed or something

There are some reasons people don't go upstairs, but when it's full at the bottom, passengers should be more convenient and go upstairs, especially if there are seats available up there, everybody's different, but I would rather go and sit upstairs than stand downstairs where it's crowded. It's not necessarily the driver/operators fault when people aren't budging to go up stairs, drivers can only ask.