Why not NXC Bendibuses on the foleshill route ?

[winston]

Mercedes Citaro G Hybrid B Tech will be save the fuels.

It may well do, but it will also cost as well.

The fact still remains that Bendi's take up too much garage & road space, are restricted to certain routes due to their length / road layouts & infrastructure and can't seat as many as a double decker

[JoNi]

I'm surprised Coventry's bendibuses haven't been moved to Birmingham with Centros keenness to develop the metro with Bus Rapid Transit routes using FTR type vehicles. Presume if these routes come to fruition they will be from new operating bases with staff hired on different terms and conditions despite them being along existing bus corridors. 

[CRP2012]

I'm surprised Coventry's bendibuses haven't been moved to Birmingham with Centros keenness to develop the metro with Bus Rapid Transit routes using FTR type vehicles. 

dont know why,Firsts FTR were a failure & the latest "hyperlink" (using same buses) is going the same way

[tank90]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

[CRP2012]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

ok so why have a single every 10 mins when you can have a bendy every 30 mins & cram aload of standing passengers on  :o

[Tony]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

ok so why have a single every 10 mins when you can have a bendy every 30 mins & cram aload of standing passengers on  :o

I suspect the answer is if you have 150 crammed onto a bendi every 30 minutes against 50 people on a 43 seat rigid single deck every 10 minutes you soon won't have 150 passengers, some will disappear because they no longer have a frequent service they can walk out the house and get on a bus within 10 minutes without looking at a timetable, some will disappear because they don't like having to stand. Other will disappear because some days they wouldn't be able to get on the wedged bendi and had to wait half hour to be wedged on the next!

Any sensible operator with 150 passengers to move every 30 minutes under a low bridge would run a 43 seat single deck every 7.5 minutes with a capacity to carry 172 all in seats and may find he soon has close to 172 passengers to move every 30 minutes!

[CRP2012]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

ok so why have a single every 10 mins when you can have a bendy every 30 mins & cram aload of standing passengers on  :o

I suspect the answer is if you have 150 crammed onto a bendi every 30 minutes against 50 people on a 43 seat rigid single deck every 10 minutes you soon won't have 150 passengers, some will disappear because they no longer have a frequent service they can walk out the house and get on a bus within 10 minutes without looking at a timetable, some will disappear because they don't like having to stand. Other will disappear because some days they wouldn't be able to get on the wedged bendi and had to wait half hour to be wedged on the next!

Any sensible operator with 150 passengers to move every 30 minutes under a low bridge would run a 43 seat single deck every 7.5 minutes with a capacity to carry 172 all in seats and may find he soon has close to 172 passengers to move every 30 minutes!

Exactly the point i was trying to make,its alright saying put more bendys on routes,but if with frequent routes that currently use SDs,to make it profitable/so theres enough passengers per trip,it would mean cutting the frequency what could mean passenger usage goes down

[tank90]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

ok so why have a single every 10 mins when you can have a bendy every 30 mins & cram aload of standing passengers on  :o

I suspect the answer is if you have 150 crammed onto a bendi every 30 minutes against 50 people on a 43 seat rigid single deck every 10 minutes you soon won't have 150 passengers, some will disappear because they no longer have a frequent service they can walk out the house and get on a bus within 10 minutes without looking at a timetable, some will disappear because they don't like having to stand. Other will disappear because some days they wouldn't be able to get on the wedged bendi and had to wait half hour to be wedged on the next!

Any sensible operator with 150 passengers to move every 30 minutes under a low bridge would run a 43 seat single deck every 7.5 minutes with a capacity to carry 172 all in seats and may find he soon has close to 172 passengers to move every 30 minutes!

Exactly the point i was trying to make,its alright saying put more bendys on routes,but if with frequent routes that currently use SDs,to make it profitable/so theres enough passengers per trip,it would mean cutting the frequency what could mean passenger usage goes down

then what happens when that 172 grows again are you just going to clog the route up with single deckers so people can have a seat?
that is just wasting fuel we dont have. We are a load of snobs because we cant take it that sometimes a longer bus may be the answer. if you set the time table from every 10 to every 15 with a bendi you may just may save a fuel bill here and there, then if you need to you can go back to every 10, rather than use single deckers that will just clog up our streets and waste fuel use something that will offer those something they already have but bigger. Because you could go down the same road with why Double Deckers are pointless becuse you could have a higher frequency with double the amount of singles but that would be silly because you would need loads of singles to sort that out.

My point is sometimes companies need to just do what is right for the route and if that is bendi buses then do it. because what happens when you have to have 44 seater single every 3-4 mins just so you can move people sitting down? Normally a DD would be put on that route and the frequency would go to every 7-5 mins, so what would be the diff in doing the same with a bendi one a route that has very low bridges?
Why cant we see a bendi like a double deck but all on one level? ok there maybe a few less seats but you cant have a train made up of 18 coaches so every  one can have seat it would be silly, just like you couldnt have trains running on each others tail because it too would be silly if the train in front to break sharply because of a jumper/animal.

[CRP2012]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

ok so why have a single every 10 mins when you can have a bendy every 30 mins & cram aload of standing passengers on  :o

I suspect the answer is if you have 150 crammed onto a bendi every 30 minutes against 50 people on a 43 seat rigid single deck every 10 minutes you soon won't have 150 passengers, some will disappear because they no longer have a frequent service they can walk out the house and get on a bus within 10 minutes without looking at a timetable, some will disappear because they don't like having to stand. Other will disappear because some days they wouldn't be able to get on the wedged bendi and had to wait half hour to be wedged on the next!

Any sensible operator with 150 passengers to move every 30 minutes under a low bridge would run a 43 seat single deck every 7.5 minutes with a capacity to carry 172 all in seats and may find he soon has close to 172 passengers to move every 30 minutes!

Exactly the point i was trying to make,its alright saying put more bendys on routes,but if with frequent routes that currently use SDs,to make it profitable/so theres enough passengers per trip,it would mean cutting the frequency what could mean passenger usage goes down

then what happens when that 172 grows again are you just going to clog the route up with single deckers so people can have a seat?
that is just wasting fuel we dont have. We are a load of snobs because we cant take it that sometimes a longer bus may be the answer. if you set the time table from every 10 to every 15 with a bendi you may just may save a fuel bill here and there, then if you need to you can go back to every 10, rather than use single deckers that will just clog up our streets and waste fuel use something that will offer those something they already have but bigger. Because you could go down the same road with why Double Deckers are pointless becuse you could have a higher frequency with double the amount of singles but that would be silly because you would need loads of singles to sort that out.

My point is sometimes companies need to just do what is right for the route and if that is bendi buses then do it. because what happens when you have to have 44 seater single every 3-4 mins just so you can move people sitting down? Normally a DD would be put on that route and the frequency would go to every 7-5 mins, so what would be the diff in doing the same with a bendi one a route that has very low bridges?
Why cant we see a bendi like a double deck but all on one level? ok there maybe a few less seats but you cant have a train made up of 18 coaches so every  one can have seat it would be silly, just like you couldnt have trains running on each others tail because it too would be silly if the train in front to break sharply because of a jumper/animal.

yes but Bendis Clog up the road,bus stations & bus depots,hence why DDs are more populer in UK - Bendys cost around the same as a DD,use more fuel,in some cases have slower acceleration meaning timetables can be a pain to keep upto,On Long routes due to lack of seats it means some passengers could end up standing end to end (i ended up having to do that on more than once),the only place i can see bendys working without a problem in UK Is at airports/Short Shuttle Services,Trips less than 20 min but with high loads & limited stops,give it 10-20 years & i carnt see there being many or any bendys left in UK

[tank90]

Really, your telling me that youd rather see more single decker buses cloggong up the roads of theu uk because of the nibby few who dont like the bendi bus. in Paris they coup, in Manchester Berlin and a host of other cities they all have bendis on long distance routes too, its just us the rock in the middle of no where that seems to think that we have down to a tee with no bendis in london because cyclists couldnt be bothered to wait like they would for any other bus. The point is whole transit systems are built around a bendi bus and why is that? because it can go anywhere a dd is restriced by height ( a GWR King if you like) the SD ( GWR Castle) the platform first midi (2-6-2 tank) wheel first midi (pannier tank) and the bendi ( Gwr 2-8-2). But the fact two bendis can take a load of at least 3 SDs is a reason why they are useless!

[Tony]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

ok so why have a single every 10 mins when you can have a bendy every 30 mins & cram aload of standing passengers on  :o

I suspect the answer is if you have 150 crammed onto a bendi every 30 minutes against 50 people on a 43 seat rigid single deck every 10 minutes you soon won't have 150 passengers, some will disappear because they no longer have a frequent service they can walk out the house and get on a bus within 10 minutes without looking at a timetable, some will disappear because they don't like having to stand. Other will disappear because some days they wouldn't be able to get on the wedged bendi and had to wait half hour to be wedged on the next!

Any sensible operator with 150 passengers to move every 30 minutes under a low bridge would run a 43 seat single deck every 7.5 minutes with a capacity to carry 172 all in seats and may find he soon has close to 172 passengers to move every 30 minutes!

Exactly the point i was trying to make,its alright saying put more bendys on routes,but if with frequent routes that currently use SDs,to make it profitable/so theres enough passengers per trip,it would mean cutting the frequency what could mean passenger usage goes down

then what happens when that 172 grows again are you just going to clog the route up with single deckers so people can have a seat?
that is just wasting fuel we dont have. We are a load of snobs because we cant take it that sometimes a longer bus may be the answer. if you set the time table from every 10 to every 15 with a bendi you may just may save a fuel bill here and there, then if you need to you can go back to every 10, rather than use single deckers that will just clog up our streets and waste fuel use something that will offer those something they already have but bigger. Because you could go down the same road with why Double Deckers are pointless becuse you could have a higher frequency with double the amount of singles but that would be silly because you would need loads of singles to sort that out.

My point is sometimes companies need to just do what is right for the route and if that is bendi buses then do it. because what happens when you have to have 44 seater single every 3-4 mins just so you can move people sitting down? Normally a DD would be put on that route and the frequency would go to every 7-5 mins, so what would be the diff in doing the same with a bendi one a route that has very low bridges?
Why cant we see a bendi like a double deck but all on one level? ok there maybe a few less seats but you cant have a train made up of 18 coaches so every  one can have seat it would be silly, just like you couldnt have trains running on each others tail because it too would be silly if the train in front to break sharply because of a jumper/animal.

Apart from London nearly every route in this country is run by a company out to make profits. Don't you think that if Bendibuses were so brilliant and carried the passengers cheaply so could make bigger profits they would be buying and using them.
The facts are they are much more expensive to buy, use much more fuel, have more parts to go wrong, cost more to garage and as most people on journeys over about 15min don't like standing actually drive passengers away.
One of the best ways to increase passenger numbers is to increase frequencies.

Accidents cost bus operators an awful lot of money, running into millions of pounds each year even if they are not the bus companies fault. Bendis in London were having more accidents = more cost!

[Sh4318]

I don't see why Bendis would be required when you have double deckers which do the same job but better

[Tony]

Why cant we see a bendi like a double deck but all on one level? ok there maybe a few less seats but you cant have a train made up of 18 coaches so every  one can have seat it would be silly, just like you couldnt have trains running on each others tail because it too would be silly if the train in front to break sharply because of a jumper/animal.

A few less seats? try about 30%. You cannot have trains running on each other's tail? There are several staions on the London Underground where the signalling alows you to be stood on the platform and the back of one train is still in the platform and the front of the next one is already level with the other end of the same platform.

You cannot have a train formed of 18 coaches? Have you seen Eurostar? Have you seen the London-Scotland sleeper?

[PM]

Because we are a nation of snobs, we dont want to stand when we can sit down  :o
Which makes it chaos for bus companies as some routes would be cheaper with 1 bendi than a midi and full single because a dd cant get under any low bridges.

ok so why have a single every 10 mins when you can have a bendy every 30 mins & cram aload of standing passengers on  :o

I suspect the answer is if you have 150 crammed onto a bendi every 30 minutes against 50 people on a 43 seat rigid single deck every 10 minutes you soon won't have 150 passengers, some will disappear because they no longer have a frequent service they can walk out the house and get on a bus within 10 minutes without looking at a timetable, some will disappear because they don't like having to stand. Other will disappear because some days they wouldn't be able to get on the wedged bendi and had to wait half hour to be wedged on the next!

Any sensible operator with 150 passengers to move every 30 minutes under a low bridge would run a 43 seat single deck every 7.5 minutes with a capacity to carry 172 all in seats and may find he soon has close to 172 passengers to move every 30 minutes!

Exactly the point i was trying to make,its alright saying put more bendys on routes,but if with frequent routes that currently use SDs,to make it profitable/so theres enough passengers per trip,it would mean cutting the frequency what could mean passenger usage goes down

then what happens when that 172 grows again are you just going to clog the route up with single deckers so people can have a seat?
that is just wasting fuel we dont have. We are a load of snobs because we cant take it that sometimes a longer bus may be the answer. if you set the time table from every 10 to every 15 with a bendi you may just may save a fuel bill here and there, then if you need to you can go back to every 10, rather than use single deckers that will just clog up our streets and waste fuel use something that will offer those something they already have but bigger. Because you could go down the same road with why Double Deckers are pointless becuse you could have a higher frequency with double the amount of singles but that would be silly because you would need loads of singles to sort that out.

My point is sometimes companies need to just do what is right for the route and if that is bendi buses then do it. because what happens when you have to have 44 seater single every 3-4 mins just so you can move people sitting down? Normally a DD would be put on that route and the frequency would go to every 7-5 mins, so what would be the diff in doing the same with a bendi one a route that has very low bridges?
Why cant we see a bendi like a double deck but all on one level? ok there maybe a few less seats but you cant have a train made up of 18 coaches so every  one can have seat it would be silly, just like you couldnt have trains running on each others tail because it too would be silly if the train in front to break sharply because of a jumper/animal.

Apart from London nearly every route in this country is run by a company out to make profits. Don't you think that if Bendibuses were so brilliant and carried the passengers cheaply so could make bigger profits they would be buying and using them.
The facts are they are much more expensive to buy, use much more fuel, have more parts to go wrong, cost more to garage and as most people on journeys over about 15min don't like standing actually drive passengers away.
One of the best ways to increase passenger numbers is to increase frequencies.

Accidents cost bus operators an awful lot of money, running into millions of pounds each year even if they are not the bus companies fault. Bendis in London were having more accidents = more cost!

Not to mention the fare dodging issue.

[richie]

What is the capacity of a bendi? I think the Coventry citations are 120 but maybe wrong. The wrights B7 has a capacity of 100 and returns mpg 3 to 4 times better. So where is the advantage?