Hagley Road Consultation

[Sh4318]

I would renumber the 120A to 123, make the 126 semi-fast from Bearwood to Birmingham, shorten the 127 to Blackheath only (New 227 or D27 from Blackeath to Dudley), increase the X10 to every 15 minutes.

What's the need for renumbering the 120A

[Trident 4194]

What's the need for renumbering the 120A

Because it confuses passengers??

[Sh4318]

Because it confuses passengers??

Please explain how?

[Trident 4194]

Please explain how?

The one and only time I have caught the 120A, a 30 yr old ish boarded the 120A from OlDbury and was hoping it was going dudley. When he realised he was on the 120A not the 120, he then had to get of on the wolvo road and get the 126.

What is the difference between the 80 and 80A?

[John]

The one and only time I have caught the 120A, a 30 yr old ish boarded the 120A from OlDbury and was hoping it was going dudley. When he realised he was on the 120A not the 120, he then had to get of on the wolvo road and get the 126.

That's his fault for not reading the destination correctly

[Sh4318]

The one and only time I have caught the 120A, a 30 yr old ish boarded the 120A from OlDbury and was hoping it was going dudley. When he realised he was on the 120A not the 120, he then had to get of on the wolvo road and get the 126.

What is the difference between the 80 and 80A?

It does say 'Blackheath' in the destination, and the Omnilinks show the 'A' in the same sized font as the numbers. Doesn't seem logical to renumber to me, especially to a number that has less in common with '120' than '120A'.

80 serves Devonshire Road, Holly Lane & St Paul's Road as opposed to Smethwick High Street (80A). 80A serves Windmill Lane as opposed to Victoria Park (80)

[Tony]

That's his fault for not reading the destination correctly

Who's saying he wouldn't do the same between a 120 & 123

[sonic84]

I would renumber the 120A to 123, make the 126 semi-fast from Bearwood to Birmingham, shorten the 127 to Blackheath only (New 227 or D27 from Blackeath to Dudley), increase the X10 to every 15 minutes.

I think shortening the 127 would work with a local route like suggested. I would also take the cut the 129 to run Bearwood to Merry Hill only and let the 127 / 128 pick up the city traffic.

Other than that I can't think of any other ways to simplify the Hagley road services without upsetting a lot of passengers. Withdrawing the 140 and increasing the frequency of the 241 Came to mind with passengers changing for Birmingham at Quinton.

[Stuharris 6360]

It does say 'Blackheath' in the destination, and the Omnilinks show the 'A' in the same sized font as the numbers. Doesn't seem logical to renumber to me, especially to a number that has less in common with '120' than '120A'.

80 serves Devonshire Road, Holly Lane & St Paul's Road as opposed to Smethwick High Street (80A). 80A serves Windmill Lane as opposed to Victoria Park (80)

The thing is, how long has the 120 been travelling between Birmingham and Dudley, certainly since I was young and got an interest in buses. In my early years, there was a 121 which travelled between Birmingham and Langley Green via Tat Bank Road. All routes that needed variants had a different route number, the E didn't exist in North division for a while so you had

245 Stourbridge - Wednesbury
246 Stourbridge -- Dudley
247 Dudley - Wednesbury
248 short journeys to Hart's Hill Garage.

My point is, people may not use public transport all that often, they see the number 120, the A will probably mean nothing to them and they are that convinced the 120 goes to Dudley as it always has, they will jump on without checking the destination correctly. remember for a lot of people in Birmingham, the A stands for anticlockwise as in 11A.

[Sh4318]

The thing is, how long has the 120 been travelling between Birmingham and Dudley, certainly since I was young and got an interest in buses. In my early years, there was a 121 which travelled between Birmingham and Langley Green via Tat Bank Road. All routes that needed variants had a different route number, the E didn't exist in North division for a while so you had

245 Stourbridge - Wednesbury
246 Stourbridge -- Dudley
247 Dudley - Wednesbury
248 short journeys to Hart's Hill Garage.

My point is, people may not use public transport all that often, they see the number 120, the A will probably mean nothing to them and they are that convinced the 120 goes to Dudley as it always has, they will jump on without checking the destination correctly. remember for a lot of people in Birmingham, the A stands for anticlockwise as in 11A.

If you do that and can't read the destination then you have nobody to blame but yourself for getting on the wrong service. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I think shortening the 127 would work with a local route like suggested. I would also take the cut the 129 to run Bearwood to Merry Hill only and let the 127 / 128 pick up the city traffic.

Other than that I can't think of any other ways to simplify the Hagley road services without upsetting a lot of passengers. Withdrawing the 140 and increasing the frequency of the 241 Came to mind with passengers changing for Birmingham at Quinton.

What would you do regarding the City to Warley frequency? I don't think Portland Road could cope without a bus every 10 minutes in the peak

[Mike K]

I have to say that when I see an 'A' variant of a route I would normally expect it to be a minor variation of the main route, not a route that branches off in a very different direction and ends up at a destination a few miles away.

It might be understandable if there were no available free route numbers nearby that could have been used, but there were other numbers available for what is a very different route for a large section. 120A is hardly in keeping with what seems to be the constant push towards 'simplification'.

[Westy]

Thought that was the point of the service reviews?

Get rid of the odd service numbers.

It worked in Walsall (not)

We've got 35A, 70A, 2E, & previously had 8A & 2A as well!

Not to mention 301 & 302 sticking out like a sore thumb in Bloxwich, along with 326.

If you're gonna renumber, do it properly, not a half arsed attempt!