Section 19/21 Operators - should they run tendered/commercial bus services?

[the trainbasher]

As it says on the lid - Section 19/21 Operators - should they run tendered/commercial bus services?

Personally I think not as, in the example of WMSNT, they are a registered charity and thus shouldnt be operating the kind of services shown like the commercial and tendered services on behalf of WMPTE.

What do you think?

[Bob]

Why not? Just out of curiosity.  Sometimes companies are charitable because that status means they get lower interest rates when borrowing money etc.housing Associations are an example of that, a lot of them are charities for that reason yet the rents they charge are almost commercial level. Lol

[Isle of Stroma]

No. It's just another backdoor scheme to knacker workers rights.

[fleetline6477]

Walsall Community Transport had begun operating a small number of tendered services around the Bloxwich areas before WMSNT began to.

[the trainbasher]

But on the other hand bob, they are flooding the market therefore meaning that operators like Diamond or Arriva are losing tenders because they are able to bid lower, hence putting jobs at risk at the proper SN/SI licence holders. Either they should become a proper operator with a proper O Licence or not play buses in my opinion.

[Tony]

But on the other hand bob, they are flooding the market therefore meaning that operators like Diamond or Arriva are losing tenders because they are able to bid lower, hence putting jobs at risk at the proper SN/SI licence holders. Either they should become a proper operator with a proper O Licence or not play buses in my opinion.

WMSNT do have a proper license as well as their Community ones (PD0001129)

[the trainbasher]

But on the other hand bob, they are flooding the market therefore meaning that operators like Diamond or Arriva are losing tenders because they are able to bid lower, hence putting jobs at risk at the proper SN/SI licence holders. Either they should become a proper operator with a proper O Licence or not play buses in my opinion.

WMSNT do have a proper license as well as their Community ones (PD0001129)

I stand corrected on that point but do they or do they not run their current services (tendered and/or commercial) on the Section 21 licence. Again it makes a mockery of the system that buses run on behalf of the WMPTE.

[nifty50]

But on the other hand bob, they are flooding the market therefore meaning that operators like Diamond or Arriva are losing tenders because they are able to bid lower, hence putting jobs at risk at the proper SN/SI licence holders. Either they should become a proper operator with a proper O Licence or not play buses in my opinion.

WMSNT do have a proper license as well as their Community ones (PD0001129)

I stand corrected on that point but do they or do they not run their current services (tendered and/or commercial) on the Section 21 licence. Again it makes a mockery of the system that buses run on behalf of the WMPTE.

All tendered work is carried out using their community permit

[Tony]

But on the other hand bob, they are flooding the market therefore meaning that operators like Diamond or Arriva are losing tenders because they are able to bid lower, hence putting jobs at risk at the proper SN/SI licence holders. Either they should become a proper operator with a proper O Licence or not play buses in my opinion.

WMSNT do have a proper license as well as their Community ones (PD0001129)

I stand corrected on that point but do they or do they not run their current services (tendered and/or commercial) on the Section 21 licence. Again it makes a mockery of the system that buses run on behalf of the WMPTE.

All tendered work is carried out using their community permit

I believe WMSNT have now won the 424 with Diamond retaining the 650 (renumbered the 34)

[Lukeee]

But on the other hand bob, they are flooding the market therefore meaning that operators like Diamond or Arriva are losing tenders because they are able to bid lower, hence putting jobs at risk at the proper SN/SI licence holders. Either they should become a proper operator with a proper O Licence or not play buses in my opinion.

WMSNT do have a proper license as well as their Community ones (PD0001129)

I stand corrected on that point but do they or do they not run their current services (tendered and/or commercial) on the Section 21 licence. Again it makes a mockery of the system that buses run on behalf of the WMPTE.

All tendered work is carried out using their community permit

I believe WMSNT have now won the 424 with Diamond retaining the 650 (renumbered the 34)

Take it NXWM lost interest in them