next to go ?

[Kiewii]

Dundee have had 17 buses to replace the B10Ls, and with 13 withdrawn and 6 remaining, it would mean we would need 2 additional buses

Which buses are you including in the 17?

The hybrids and 4110, 4116 - 4122 (as 4123/4 were to replace 7272/3)

Fair enough, but I thought 4120 - 4122 then followed to allow 7269/70 & 7271 to be withdrawn rather than B10L

Only the 9 x Hybrids & 4116-4119 have allowed B10L to be withdrawn, plus there was the addition of the 3 x  refurb'd B10L 7127-7129 and subsequently 4110 has arrived which has already entered service. I'd have thought Dundee need another 5 cascades to see of the remaining B10L as another now be withdrawn now 4110 has entered service

Wow... you seem to know more than me even though you are in WM! 7129 was an additional bus for the fleet so I wouldn't count it as replacing any other vehicles.

[Ashley 4566]

To keep the batch of 4110 - 4124 together and replace Dundees remaining B10L's, it would make sense to transfer 4111 - 4115 to Dundee at some point in the future. However, the question is what would replace these vehicles here, maybe a B7TL shuffle of some kind?

[winston]

Dundee have had 17 buses to replace the B10Ls, and with 13 withdrawn and 6 remaining, it would mean we would need 2 additional buses

Which buses are you including in the 17?

The hybrids and 4110, 4116 - 4122 (as 4123/4 were to replace 7272/3)

Fair enough, but I thought 4120 - 4122 then followed to allow 7269/70 & 7271 to be withdrawn rather than B10L

Only the 9 x Hybrids & 4116-4119 have allowed B10L to be withdrawn, plus there was the addition of the 3 x  refurb'd B10L 7127-7129 and subsequently 4110 has arrived which has already entered service. I'd have thought Dundee need another 5 cascades to see of the remaining B10L as another now be withdrawn now 4110 has entered service

Wow... you seem to know more than me even though you are in WM! 7129 was an additional bus for the fleet so I wouldn't count it as replacing any other vehicles.

I just like to keep tabs on all NX Group movements, as you say, I'm 350 miles away, so if know one reports the various movements on the Dundee forum, I'm screwed.....

[Kiewii]

Dundee have had 17 buses to replace the B10Ls, and with 13 withdrawn and 6 remaining, it would mean we would need 2 additional buses

Which buses are you including in the 17?

The hybrids and 4110, 4116 - 4122 (as 4123/4 were to replace 7272/3)

Fair enough, but I thought 4120 - 4122 then followed to allow 7269/70 & 7271 to be withdrawn rather than B10L

Only the 9 x Hybrids & 4116-4119 have allowed B10L to be withdrawn, plus there was the addition of the 3 x  refurb'd B10L 7127-7129 and subsequently 4110 has arrived which has already entered service. I'd have thought Dundee need another 5 cascades to see of the remaining B10L as another now be withdrawn now 4110 has entered service

Wow... you seem to know more than me even though you are in WM! 7129 was an additional bus for the fleet so I wouldn't count it as replacing any other vehicles.

I just like to keep tabs on all NX Group movements, as you say, I'm 350 miles away, so if know one reports the various movements on the Dundee forum, I'm screwed.....

You could also go to the main sites fleet updates!

[winston]

Dundee have had 17 buses to replace the B10Ls, and with 13 withdrawn and 6 remaining, it would mean we would need 2 additional buses

Which buses are you including in the 17?

The hybrids and 4110, 4116 - 4122 (as 4123/4 were to replace 7272/3)

Fair enough, but I thought 4120 - 4122 then followed to allow 7269/70 & 7271 to be withdrawn rather than B10L

Only the 9 x Hybrids & 4116-4119 have allowed B10L to be withdrawn, plus there was the addition of the 3 x  refurb'd B10L 7127-7129 and subsequently 4110 has arrived which has already entered service. I'd have thought Dundee need another 5 cascades to see of the remaining B10L as another now be withdrawn now 4110 has entered service

Wow... you seem to know more than me even though you are in WM! 7129 was an additional bus for the fleet so I wouldn't count it as replacing any other vehicles.

I just like to keep tabs on all NX Group movements, as you say, I'm 350 miles away, so if know one reports the various movements on the Dundee forum, I'm screwed.....

You could also go to the main sites fleet updates!

I can, but the allocation changes/withdrawals from Dundee seen to be further behind than those of NXWM changes. NX Coaches are normally a couple of months behind Tony getting the movements against actual

[Gareth]

Interesting that 2001 is plastic but 1787 isn't!
For me, the 'plastics' are anything from 1327 onwards and 4001 onwards.

[nitromatt1]

Plastic is 1788 onwards for single deckers and 4830 onwards for double deckers, plus hyberdoodles and E200s

I agree completely there, except I do like the E200s and have a soft spot for B5s as they kind of remind me of Ailsa's ;)

[Mike K]

Interesting that 2001 is plastic but 1787 isn't!
For me, the 'plastics' are anything from 1327 onwards and 4001 onwards.

I was thinking the same about 4829 v 4830. Isn't the only difference the Euro 5 engine?

[nitromatt1]

Interesting that 2001 is plastic but 1787 isn't!
For me, the 'plastics' are anything from 1327 onwards and 4001 onwards.

I was thinking the same about 4829 v 4830. Isn't the only difference the Euro 5 engine?

No, they have a completely different chassis, 4829 is a Trident, 4830 is an E400

[Mike K]

Interesting that 2001 is plastic but 1787 isn't!
For me, the 'plastics' are anything from 1327 onwards and 4001 onwards.

I was thinking the same about 4829 v 4830. Isn't the only difference the Euro 5 engine?

No, they have a completely different chassis, 4829 is a Trident, 4830 is an E400

Completely different or is the E400 chassis just a development of the Trident chassis? I understand there are some differences such as positioning of engine. But I'm still unclear as to why one is 'plastic' and the other one isn't.

Fleetlines, Ailsas, Metrobuses, Nationals - they weren't plastic.

[don]

I don't think any more will leave NXWM soon, either to Dundee or elsewhere.

It seems like single deckers are priority for been replaced, (Pensnett and West Bromwich are rumoured), not doubles. I reckon we will have Presidents for a good few years yet, because of the extensive refurbishments about 5 years ago, until a mass upgrade of the 11 is due. Anyway, I would think the Spectra's will be first for the chop

John,

The Presidents are replacing the last remaining B10L's up in Dundee, there are currently 6 x B10L's left in service, with NX's infatuation for re-creating batches, I suspect 4111-4115 wont be far behind 4110 once the new Enviro E400's start to arrive

I agree - and I can't help thinking there's a plan taking shape here...........to allocate around 20 buses of the oldest 225 double deckers (maybe 40 to each of AG and BC) to each depot except Bordesley to prepare for replacement to start across the system in two years time or thereabouts. Pure conjecture, but after the Mercs, I would imagine it will be a replacement programme for the earlier double deckers.