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How about putting the surplus Mercedes benedies on the Bristol Road routes to the old Rubery tram terminus?

They don't meet the emission requirements. Unless of course you start a new 64 at a 30 minute frequency.

And of course Arriva never replace panels and not put the full livery back on do they?
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2246.html

What should we be looking for in that photo, as the livery looks fine to me.

That could work, and possibly 84A peak journeys could be extended to Hawkesley

Right.

The 636 takes 20 minutes to get to University Station from the City.

The 84 takes 27 minutes to get to Hawkesley from QE.

The Birmingham to Hawkesley journey would therefore be 47 minutes, so all together 94 minutes. We'll round that to 100 to allow any delays etc.

The 84 would now operate at a 60 minute frequency between Birmingham and Hawkesley, so a PVR of 2.

The Birmingham to QE gap now loses 2 buses per hour, thus the 84A. Birmingham to QE at every 20 minutes, with a PVR of 2. To reduce dead mileage, this route can easily interwork with the 76 which also runs at a 20 minute frequency.

In summary:

84 - Birmingham to Hawkesley at every 60 minutes. PVR - 2
84A - Birmingham to QE at every 20 minutes. PVR - 3
636 - QE Hospital to Halesowen at every 20 minutes. PVR - 5 (84 minute round trip)

The 636 now requires 2 vehicles less.

The 636 can now be operated by WB again, who are type trained on B6LE, so the minority vehicle at Central is removed.

Two surplus B6LE and one Trident to Walsall from BC. Three Scania to Yardley Wood, or a mix of Scania and Trident.

Job done.

And what do you tell all those folk who live between QE Hospital and Halesowen on the 636 route who lose their direct route to Birmingham City Centre, just so some people in Bournville can have one, when last time one was provided not enough of them used it to make it pay?

This suggestion was purely to help with the emission problem.

A replacement can be arranged by Centro, can it not?

And which route at Walsall do you intend taking scanias off to replace by B6

I don't really know much about Walsall but I'm sure something can be spared. Another possibility is that the last one or two B10Ls at AG can replace two Scanias at Walsall, or even Perry Barr.

Right.

The 636 takes 20 minutes to get to University Station from the City.

The 84 takes 27 minutes to get to Hawkesley from QE.

The Birmingham to Hawkesley journey would therefore be 47 minutes, so all together 94 minutes. We'll round that to 100 to allow any delays etc.

The 84 would now operate at a 60 minute frequency between Birmingham and Hawkesley, so a PVR of 2.

The Birmingham to QE gap now loses 2 buses per hour, thus the 84A. Birmingham to QE at every 20 minutes, with a PVR of 2. To reduce dead mileage, this route can easily interwork with the 76 which also runs at a 20 minute frequency.

In summary:

84 - Birmingham to Hawkesley at every 60 minutes. PVR - 2
84A - Birmingham to QE at every 20 minutes. PVR - 3
636 - QE Hospital to Halesowen at every 20 minutes. PVR - 5 (84 minute round trip)

The 636 now requires 2 vehicles less.

The 636 can now be operated by WB again, who are type trained on B6LE, so the minority vehicle at Central is removed.

Two surplus B6LE and one Trident to Walsall from BC. Three Scania to Yardley Wood, or a mix of Scania and Trident.

Job done.

Omni's on the 8... Imagine it, what a waste.  :'(

How is that a waste?

I think the 8 deserves to be converted to a double deck route as it gets very very busy at peaks, but I think there is a low bridge near Saltley Gate, but then there was a President on it once, so it may be fine. Too much for the Mercs, but they still cope with it.

Most likely driven by an engineer back to BC I think.

It was suggested elsewhere here that the 636 could be curtailed at QE Hospital, then just extend the 84 from the QE along the old 636 route into Birmingham, and maybe introduce short 84E from the City to the QE or even Selly Oak, as the whole route wouldn't need an increased frequency.

That would solve the problem of the B6LEs currently being used on the 636 being unsuitable for the new emission requirements, as well as improving the 636's reliability issues. Then Bournville gets a direct link to the city centre.

Copyright Me lol

We'll he'd be correct then, they are double deckers as well as single deckers.

You're just always the first to jump down this throat and either correct him or try making him look stupid!

You actually said "no they aren't" to Nathan's comment about Omnicity's being double deckers

Omnicity's are available in both single decker & double decker formats

Yes they are!

The Omnicity comes as both a single decker & double decker

See badge on NXWM 4780
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html

Ominicitys are Double deckers

No they aren't!

http://wmbusphotos.com/Midland/YN04GMV.html

Can you not see the OmniCity badge next to the fleet number.

The difference between an Omnilink and Omnicity is the way the engine is laid out. Think of the Perry Barr OmniCitys. The downstairs rear seats.

OmniCitys have the engine sideways, whilst in OmniLinks, you sit on top of the engine.

Yeah I know they come in both double deck and single deck. Nathan said that OmniCity's are double deckers, and I was pointing out that they are single deckers as well, and went on to say the OmniCity is named due to the layout of the chassis.

If you look at my original post, I also refer to the PB OmniCity's. I know full well that OmniCity's come in both forms. He said OmniCitys are double deckers, which I interpret as All OmniCitys are double deckers. It's like saying ALX400s are Dennis Tridents. No they are not, they are Volvo B7TL's as well, which is the point I was trying to get at in my original message.

No he wouldn't be correct. He said Omnicitys are double deckers. Not some are double deckers and some are single.

And there is a reason behind me always getting at him. If you take a look at 95% of his posts in this entire forum, you'll see for yourself.

Quick to correct others, but don't like it when you're corrected......

Who made you moderator?

If you care to look at your karma rating, you'll see what the rest of the forum members think of your posts / attitude!

Actually no. I accept that people make mistakes. I'm not quick to correct others, just him, and I'll admit the attitude that I give off when correcting him.

I'm aware of my karma rating, but who lives their life always thinking about what others think? Most of those Karma points are from two or three specific people anyway who I could quickly name.

Moderator? What are you on about.

We'll he'd be correct then, they are double deckers as well as single deckers.

You're just always the first to jump down this throat and either correct him or try making him look stupid!

You actually said "no they aren't" to Nathan's comment about Omnicity's being double deckers

Omnicity's are available in both single decker & double decker formats

Yes they are!

The Omnicity comes as both a single decker & double decker

See badge on NXWM 4780
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html

Ominicitys are Double deckers

No they aren't!

http://wmbusphotos.com/Midland/YN04GMV.html

Can you not see the OmniCity badge next to the fleet number.

The difference between an Omnilink and Omnicity is the way the engine is laid out. Think of the Perry Barr OmniCitys. The downstairs rear seats.

OmniCitys have the engine sideways, whilst in OmniLinks, you sit on top of the engine.

Yeah I know they come in both double deck and single deck. Nathan said that OmniCity's are double deckers, and I was pointing out that they are single deckers as well, and went on to say the OmniCity is named due to the layout of the chassis.

If you look at my original post, I also refer to the PB OmniCity's. I know full well that OmniCity's come in both forms. He said OmniCitys are double deckers, which I interpret as All OmniCitys are double deckers. It's like saying ALX400s are Dennis Tridents. No they are not, they are Volvo B7TL's as well, which is the point I was trying to get at in my original message.

No he wouldn't be correct. He said Omnicitys are double deckers. Not some are double deckers and some are single.

And there is a reason behind me always getting at him. If you take a look at 95% of his posts in this entire forum, you'll see for yourself.

You actually said "no they aren't" to Nathan's comment about Omnicity's being double deckers

Omnicity's are available in both single decker & double decker formats

Yes they are!

The Omnicity comes as both a single decker & double decker

See badge on NXWM 4780
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html

Ominicitys are Double deckers

No they aren't!

http://wmbusphotos.com/Midland/YN04GMV.html

Can you not see the OmniCity badge next to the fleet number.

The difference between an Omnilink and Omnicity is the way the engine is laid out. Think of the Perry Barr OmniCitys. The downstairs rear seats.

OmniCitys have the engine sideways, whilst in OmniLinks, you sit on top of the engine.

Yeah I know they come in both double deck and single deck. Nathan said that OmniCity's are double deckers, and I was pointing out that they are single deckers as well, and went on to say the OmniCity is named due to the layout of the chassis.

If you look at my original post, I also refer to the PB OmniCity's. I know full well that OmniCity's come in both forms. He said OmniCitys are double deckers, which I interpret as All OmniCitys are double deckers. It's like saying ALX400s are Dennis Tridents. No they are not, they are Volvo B7TL's as well, which is the point I was trying to get at in my original message.

Yes they are!

The Omnicity comes as both a single decker & double decker

See badge on NXWM 4780
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html

Ominicitys are Double deckers

No they aren't!

http://wmbusphotos.com/Midland/YN04GMV.html

Can you not see the OmniCity badge next to the fleet number.

The difference between an Omnilink and Omnicity is the way the engine is laid out. Think of the Perry Barr OmniCitys. The downstairs rear seats.

OmniCitys have the engine sideways, whilst in OmniLinks, you sit on top of the engine.

Yeah I know they come in both double deck and single deck. Nathan said that OmniCity's are double deckers, and I was pointing out that they are single deckers as well, and went on to say the OmniCity is named due to the layout of the chassis.

Ominicitys are Double deckers

No they aren't!

http://wmbusphotos.com/Midland/YN04GMV.html

Can you not see the OmniCity badge next to the fleet number.

The difference between an Omnilink and Omnicity is the way the engine is laid out. Think of the Perry Barr OmniCitys. The downstairs rear seats.

OmniCitys have the engine sideways, whilst in OmniLinks, you sit on top of the engine.

They look like ominilinks not Ominicitys ::)

What does an Omnicity look like then?
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I appreciate you are 16 and enthusiastic about buses and that is nice to see, the sad thing with trains is most of the enthusiasts seem to be my age and older, but you do need to think about what you post sometimes

Bearwood does have a high street as well as a small bus station. On the topic of the Outer I was in Kings Heath (Friday 4th) around 1830, 4638 then 4658 turned up with a gap in between them both showing 11E Perry Barr. If the route is run by Acocks Green, whats the point in terminating the buses miles away

Some 11E's terminate at say Perry Barr and turn back as 11E's to Acocks Green. Whether all of the short journeys do that, I don't know.

Most of NXWM/CENTROS bus reviews are a disater to Passangers at times as they are confused on were there bus is going or were it has gone, wether it still serves ?????, but people get used to it and as soon as they get used to  it they change them again

Passenger numbers have been up after all the the Network reviews!

A few routes they havent 935 carries the amount of passangers the 993 used to, 935A many people use that as an Extra 935 journey nobody stays on to Rushall, becuase I travelled on it myself

Even if you're right, I wouldn't test Tony on Walsall routes as they are his specialty.