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#16
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 13, 2024, 06:50:21 PMThe 110 exists and does the same journey Tamworth to Birmingham
No it doesn't, the 116 was a completely different:

110 via Fazeley, Whitehouse Common, Sutton Coldfield and Erdington
116 via Kingsbury, Curdworth and Minworth
#17
Quote from: don on April 11, 2024, 11:53:01 PMI'm pretty sure some of these may have been changed to numbers in the later 70s - I think I've seen a photo of a 2xx GON Fleetline on a 161 showing the correct number - presumably a Coventry Road vehicle? I think the 3781 onwards Fleetlines in Birmingham had four track blinds?
I think in the 1970's all ex Birmingham fleetlines had all number blinds having A C E N S and W on them
#18
Quote from: Justin Tyme on April 10, 2024, 09:40:57 PMThere were a few others: 36L to Millhouse Road/Bierton Road, 48L to Maypole, 67L to Chester Road/Tangmere Drive, 90L to Lambeth Road/Queslett Road.

The letters D, G and I were not used, no doubt because they could have been mistaken for numbers.

It's worth pointing out that letters A, B and C (sometimes also others) were normally used for short workings from the outer terminus, not from city.  For example, at the Maypole there was at least one 50B working to Rea Street/Digbeth.
D was used: 54D Garrison Lane/Cattell Road 
#19
Quote from: busfan2847 on April 10, 2024, 05:03:15 PMThe Birmingham approach was to give each of the short workings a different letter with A closest to the city terminus and going upwards from there. On the 50 to Maypole letters reached 50K Alcester Lanes End. (50F was Moseley Village, 50J Kings Heath)

The 5 (Portland Road to Perry Common) went up to L (Perry Common/Enderby Road) which I think was the only service that did 
#20
Quote from: Wumpty on April 10, 2024, 11:00:35 AMI'm sure I remember some city routes had different other letters to signify where in the city centre they stopped.

"E" was the exception and then there were others like D, and F that would indicate other curtailments.

I'll stand corrected and bow to greater knowledge on this.
The letter system was A to the nearest point to the City and the further along the route the further along the alphabet, the E for exception didn't start until 1974 when all the other letters stopes being used except for A and C  for the 11 and 8 which also started in 1974.
#21
Quote from: Justin Tyme on April 09, 2024, 09:20:21 PMIn WMPTE days at least buses would show the exact destinations, such as 'Ethel Street', 'St Martins Circus' and 'Lancaster Circus'. 

Until 1975 BCT and WMPTE South Division buses generally showed the outer destination in both directions.  When that was finally changed, buses initially showed 'City Centre' only if doing the city loop (New St, Corporation St, Bull St, Colmore Row) - otherwise they displayed 'City Terminus'.  In the late 1970s 'City Terminus' was replaced by more precise displays, such as 'City High Street' (with 'High' above 'Street').
Yes that's correct, up until that point the only buses to show 'City' were cross-city services that had the same service number in both directions especially when the service number and destination was on the same blinds, so if you was in Perry Barr and you saw a bus showing 'City' you knew it was either 29 or 29A (later 90/91) and not a 33

When the 21/22 City to Weoley Castle services were converted to driver only operation in 1971 drivers were instructed to show 'City' on inward journeys, the rest of the Birmingham services followed in 1974.
#22
National Express West Midlands / Re: Diversions
April 09, 2024, 05:00:31 AM
Quote from: Jack on April 08, 2024, 08:14:18 PMI hope they do go back to their original route thank you. It's now a longer walk for me to connect other services I catch to work. The drivers are saying they will be moving back in 6 months time.

Not everyone is going to agree with you on changes, so the selfishness isn't needed.

The worst one of these changes is the fact they've moved all the Stratford Road services to one stop, when the stop before was in use, whose idea was that to do that?

Also the 97 now takes a long detour that you moaned the Perry Barr services did.
It's a longer walk for 'selfish' me as well, I have to walk from the 50 at Selfridges but it has made a difference on the outward journey yesterday by at least 5 minutes. You are right about the 97 (my old route) but it's a big difference for a route that has 8-10 buses an hour compared with the 33/51/907/934-7/997/X51 which have around 35 buses an hour combined.
#23
National Express West Midlands / Re: Diversions
April 08, 2024, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 08, 2024, 05:02:32 PMI suppose these changes will benefit some and hinder others.
I mean I'm not sure why the X21/X22 has to terminate in no man's land. I am surprised it didn't go up to Square Peg with 23/24/45/47/97 and do the same loop round that the 45/47/97 is doing.
The 907 coming out of the City Centre was brilliant, straight under the Lancaster Circus underpass
#24
National Express West Midlands / Re: Diversions
April 08, 2024, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 08, 2024, 02:14:48 PMCan anybody confirm that the City Centre stops will go back to how they were when the Metro work on Moor St is completed?

I certainly hope so anyway.
I hope not, the time it took the 33, 51, 907, 934-7, 997 and X51 to get around Carrs Lane, The Square Peg and The Law Courts to Lancaster Circus was ridiculous in peaks, so thanks, but no thanks
#25
National Express West Midlands / Re: Diversions
April 08, 2024, 07:50:31 AM
Quote from: JosephR on April 08, 2024, 03:11:55 AMAre the express Perry Barr services going under Lancaster circus Queensway? I wonder why the stops have been moved when the  X21/22 are still using moor street Queensway anyway.
I think the the new stop on Priory Queensway is much better, I found the Square Peg stop was horrible, I hated it. I came into the City this morning on the 907 and the new arrangement was fine. I'm optimistic that my journey out of City will be quicker than going from the Square Peg stop as there will be no going past the Courts and Hospital on the way out.
#26
Garage threads / Re: Perry Barr Garage
April 04, 2024, 03:25:54 PM
Amazon service 64: 
I'm wondering how this and the peak route X64 (strange route number) are doing as they have been running a few months now. I know Amazon have funded these services but why haven't NX advertised these routes more to gain extra passengers because no one is going to get on it if they don't know what it is.
#27
Garage threads / Re: Birmingham Central Garage
March 23, 2024, 07:34:04 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 22, 2024, 11:11:19 PMDo deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?
The shouldn't do, they've been doing it for years
#28
National Express West Midlands / Re: Diversions
March 20, 2024, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 20, 2024, 07:14:14 PMTrack works across Moor Street Queensway from 7th April 'until Autumn'.

There will be various stop closures and diversions during that time:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/major-roadworks-and-events/eastside-birmingham-city-centre/moor-street-queensway/

Good news having the Perry Barr services on Priory Queensway (near 65/66/67 stop), The Square Peg stop is OK but in peak hours it takes so long to get through Moor Street, Carrs Lane and Lower Bull Street. The outward journeys will be quicker getting to Lancaster Circus
#29
National Express West Midlands / Re: Diversions
March 20, 2024, 06:17:49 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 20, 2024, 05:12:39 PMUnnecessarily confrontational response once again. He hasn't said that they shouldn't use that route, just an observation that the Carrs Lane route, which can be a bottle neck, will see a lot of traffic.
Thank you
#30
National Express West Midlands / Re: Diversions
March 20, 2024, 04:20:30 PM
In April until June Diamond is diverting the 16A out of City via Carrs Lane due to Metro work. So all other buses will presumably follow the same diversion, That's lot of buses using Carrs Lane !
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