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Why should the snowflakes get freebies.

I didn't know Donald Trump was a member of this forum!

So the bus stops at Calthorpe Road/Five Ways have been swapped around - A good decision because the #1 usually blocks the view of the 23/24. However, the new 10/23/24 shelter (old 1/10) still has the old timetables and realtime, and the 1 shelter (old 23) still has the old timetable. The old 24 shelter still has the old flag, so there are now two of those but no 24 timetable. Drivers have been stopping at either their old or new shelter, so disabled and old people have been having to move between 2 or 3 shelters all day... It's been ridiculous and no one at TfWM or NXWM seemed to care.

NXWM run services into Worcestershire as Frankley is in Worcestershire

(New) Frankley hasn't been in Worcestershire since 1995.

They will be.

If you try sorting S2 and S15 by a computer it will always put S15 first, same a computer will always put X10 before X8

Maybe all bus stops should be like that then? 1, 10, 11, 2, 22, 3, 4... Or not because that would be ridiculous!

Because Transport for London subsidise fares in London and are now £1billion in debt and having to cut services. .

Now compare day ticket prices

National Express West Midlands' knight in shining armour.

Well the photo I have of the bus shows that it is dirty.

And you still don't answer any questions - Just blind love. I've worked there too, it's not all rosy.

Quite clearly typing crap / euro 6 not clean enough,  crickey what next the trams are to noisey

Just because you love buses so much doesn't mean that they're all perfect 10s - Have a bit of objectivity. Think about how the normal person on the street feels when their lovely crimson bus gets replaced with a dirty, older bus that has seats which haven't been changed in years and chipped paint.

Really? The buses on the 5 meet Euro 6 regulations and are some of the cleanest vehicles in the country

If they're that clean, go and put your face in front of the exhaust of 4304. And the bus itself is filthy (but it can't be from the engine!) and looks like it's not been given any TLC this decade.

Edit: Someone else literally posted about the same bus at the same time! And I see more than just this bus blowing black smoke.

Also, you didn't answer my question. They can't be keeping almost 17 year old buses much longer, especially with the Birmingham CAZ.

When will the "new" buses on the 5 and 1 be replaced? The fumes that come out of them are atrocious.

Surprised no one's mentioned this that was on the website:

"Following an extensive public consultation, this summer we're making some changes to bus routes in and around South / South West Birmingham.

These include small changes, such as timetable improvements so that our buses can run more reliably. There are also some larger route changes, to cater for new and emerging travel needs, and also help to overcome increasing traffic congestion around busier areas.

These changes will bring new express services, more direct routes to Queen Elizabeth Hospital and the University of Birmingham, and a simpler network that is easier to understand.

Many will see very little change to their journey, but we've put together this route-by-route guide to tell you about what's happening in the coming weeks.

The following changes will be made from Sunday 22nd July 2018.

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Service 1 will be replaced with the following new and modified routes:

1 / 1A  Fox Hollies – Acocks Green – Springfield – Moseley – Cannon Hill Park – Five Ways (1) or University / QE Hospital (1A) 

Buses run up to every 10-20 minutes

4A  Gospel Oak – Acocks Green – Birmingham 

Buses run up to every 10 minutes

+ More buses will run through Mosley (1 / 1A)

+ New direct route to University / QE Hospital (1A)

+ Gospel Oak will have more and faster buses to / from the city centre (4A)

- Gospel Oak will no longer be served by the 1

The 1 / 1A will run up to every 10 minutes between Acocks Green and Edgbaston, from there the 1 will run up to every 20 minutes to Five Ways; the new route 1A will then run up to every 20 minutes along Bristol Road and Aston Webb Boulevard to University / QE Hospital.

In Acocks Green / Fox Hollies, buses on the 1 / 1A route will run around a loop of Shirley Road, Dolphin Lane and Olton Boulevard East.

The new 4A will run from Gospel Oak along Severne Road and Gospel Lane to Warwick Road, then through Acocks Green and direct along Warwick Road to Birmingham city centre, reducing journey times for our passengers.

     

2 / 3  Maypole – Warstock – Yardley Wood – Billesley – Birmingham 

Buses run up to every 10 minutes between Wake Green and Birmingham

+ Buses will run up to every 10 minutes between Billesley and the city centre

Between Wake Green and the city centre, services 2 / 3 will now use the same route along Stoney Lane. Showell Green Lane will now be served by the 5.

     

4 / 4A  Solihull (4) / Gospel Oak (4A)  – Acocks Green – Birmingham 

Buses run up to every 10 minutes

+ Buses will run up to every 5 minutes between Acocks Green and the city centre along Warwick Road

+  Buses will run up to every 10 minutes to / from Gospel Oak

The new 4 / 4A services replace routes 37 and 31, see these sections for more information.

       

5  Solihull – Monkspath – Shirley – Sarehole Mill – Birmingham 

Buses run up to every 6 minutes along Stratford Road (when combined with the 6)

+ More reliable buses by avoiding Springfield Road and traffic in Solihull

+ Robin Hood Lane will be served again

- Buses will not serve Springfield Road due to ongoing issues with parking

Between Solihull and Widney Manor Station, buses will no longer serve stops on New Road and Warwick Road, due to delays caused by traffic queuing for town centre car parks.

At Widney Manor Station, buses towards Solihull will now stop opposite the station entrance and not pull into the forecourt.

Springfield Road will no longer be served due to ongoing issues with parking, preventing larger vehicles from passing and causing delays. All buses on this route will now serve Showell Green Lane. This may be revised if the problem improves in future.

         

Services 22 / 23 will be replaced with the new and modified routes:

23  Bartley Green – Woodgate – Harborne – Five Ways – Birmingham

Buses run up to every 8-10 minutes

X22  Woodgate – Kitwell – Bartley Green – University / QE Hospital – Birmingham

Buses run up to every 20 minutes

+ More buses in Bartley Green, Woodgate & Woodgate Valley South areas (23)

+ Harborne to Birmingham buses will now simply be numbered 23 / 24

+ New and direct links to University / QE Hospital from Kitwell, Bartley Green, Jiggins Lane and Quinton Road

+ New Platinum buses on routes 23 / X22, offering premium comfort with extra legroom, wifi and USB points

- Kitwell and Jiggins Lane will no longer have direct buses to Harborne; passengers can connect to 23 / X22 services along Stonehouse Road or California Way

- Buses will run less often during the day to Kitwell and Jiggins Lane, running every 20 minutes instead of every 15 minutes

The current 22 / 23 services will be combined into one, simpler, more frequent route; the new 23. This will run from Newman University via Bartley Green, Romsley Road, Woodgate, Woodgate Valley South, Harborne and Five Ways to Birmingham.

Kitwell and Jiggins Lane, currently served by the 22, will be served by the new X22. This will run from Woodgate via Kitwell, Romsley Road, Bartley Green, Jiggins Lane, California, Quinton Road and University / QE Hospital to Birmingham.

To help improve reliability, bus stops on Stonehouse Lane and Stonehouse Hill will be moved onto California Way and Northfield Road."

Is the number 5 route back at YW now?

From seeing the new fares on the side of the bus and a rear promotion for the £4 off-peak Daysaver, it doesn't look like NX are showing off the Swift card prices - They must've been in much smaller print if they were on there. I think they're missing a trick - have the lower Swift card price in the larger font because it's not like anyone can't use one.

The more people with a card would mean more people being able to hop on a bus on the off chance it's raining (Ha!) or something. I have a train pass, but my Swift card has enabled me to visit friends and family without having to get driven the final bit.

Wonder if more people are travelling now that the free travel facility on Central Trains has been been removed with the installation of barriers at New Street?

Central Trains? That's worse than people saying Travel West Midlands.

What a surprise - Birmingham Mail use an old photo (must be 2008-2010) and fail to explicitly mention the fact that Swift cards' prices will be frozen.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/bus-fares-going-up-west-10573239

I had a little moan to the 'writer' of this article and they've changed the photo... It's not much better, but at least it's more recent!

I think this is a mostly good move! But I'd have it as £2.40/50 with change and £2 with a Swift card to make it a real incentive to get one. People who live here or visit regularly have no excuse not to get one, as they're free with a £10 top up and it stays on there. Those are the only PAYG fares I'd have, apart from group/evening savers. The off-peak short hop just seems pointless to keep - I'm hoping this is to phase it out for 2017. In the long term I hope we simplify it more and don't have any off-peak fares like London, but have a job seeker's pass for 12 months use only (although we do have WorkWise).

I probably wouldn't mind removing the £1 city hops, but then I'd also remove the Walsall low fare zone and the lower pass prices for the Black Country and Coventry. These people moaning can't have it only suit them. Due to the size of Birmingham city centre and the fact that there isn't a free bus, like other major cities, then this is the next best thing.