QuoteJan Change:
87A being withdrawn, all services to be ran as 87
Feb Change:
NXC51 being withdrawn, Stagecoach will run a 51 service on Sundays between Uni Hosp & Arena Tesco
67 & 74A being merged together for 674
77/77A/X15 also being ran by Stevensons
Stevensons?
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 12, 2024, 04:38:10 PMStevensons?
Would only be buslink seeing they use their livery tbf
edit, seeing the companies house info, it is buslink, both companies are owned by the same person and at the same depot.
Is that the entire 77/77a?
That's an end of an era then, being operated by Nx & its predecessors since 1977, as the 377!
Quote from: Westy on December 12, 2024, 05:00:32 PMIs that the entire 77/77a?
That's an end of an era then, being operated by Nx & its predecessors since 1977, as the 377!
Yes. According to TfWM the whole service is going to Stevensons with no route or timetable change. (The X15 has a minor change)
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 14, 2024, 12:33:56 PMYes. According to TfWM the whole service is going to Stevensons with no route or timetable change. (The X15 has a minor change)
What is Stevenson's?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on December 14, 2024, 01:21:56 PMWhat is Stevenson's?
Buslink, they have two names legally im guessing
Quote from: EK40 on December 14, 2024, 01:36:05 PMBuslink, they have two names legally im guessing
Oh so is there a chance we are going to see ex NXWM buses (the geminis) on NXWM routes again or does the 77/X15 have to be single Decker only?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on December 14, 2024, 02:03:09 PMOh so is there a chance we are going to see ex NXWM buses (the geminis) on NXWM routes again or does the 77/X15 have to be single Decker only?
No, because TfWM contracts require Euro6 standard buses.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on December 14, 2024, 01:21:56 PMWhat is Stevenson's?
Quote from: EK40 on December 14, 2024, 01:36:05 PMBuslink, they have two names legally im guessing
Stevensons Bus Services Ltd:https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14579546
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/603545
Bus Link Ltd:https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14785274
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/610106
Two separate trading companies, with separate licences, but James Boddice is director of both.
I know it's a February change, but just spotted the one for the Yew Tree 67 / Gillity Village 74.
Interesting one. Didn't one of the short lived MRN post de reg services operate along that section of Walstead Road?
Thought there was a weight limit?
Quote from: Westy on January 05, 2025, 02:47:33 PMThought there was a weight limit?
Considering the 881 operates along the full length of Walstead Road and is allocated double deckers.
There shouldn't be any problem I would think.
https://bustimes.org/services/881-palfrey-barr-beacon-school-2#map
Though I'm not sure why the TFWM changes page says "this National Express West Midlands service"?
Quote from: 2206 on January 05, 2025, 03:02:26 PMConsidering the 881 operates along the full length of Walstead Road and is allocated double deckers.
There shouldn't be any problem I would think.
https://bustimes.org/services/881-palfrey-barr-beacon-school-2#map
Though I'm not sure why the TFWM changes page says "this National Express West Midlands service"?
Must admit I'm not up on school services for obvious reasons.
I did wonder about that NX reference myself.
Quote from: 2206 on January 05, 2025, 03:02:26 PMThough I'm not sure why the TFWM changes page says "this National Express West Midlands service"?
Either it means that NX will run the new 674 service, or its just another TfWM error.
Quote from: Westy on January 05, 2025, 02:47:33 PMI know it's a February change, but just spotted the one for the Yew Tree 67 / Gillity Village 74.
Interesting one. Didn't one of the short lived MRN post de reg services operate along that section of Walstead Road?
Thought there was a weight limit?
If you're talking about Walstead Road over the bridge over Rushall Canal, I've been over that a few times in a Coach.
It has a 18t weight limit.
TfWM's website no longer has any mention of the 77A/X15 being taken over by 'Stevensons', so I assume this isn't going to happen now and NX will continue with these.
On the subject of 'TfWM errors' I was wryly amused to see that apparently National Express Coventry will have a revised timetable for the 48/48A services West Brom - Bearwood - QEH :grin:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Change to the 326 eh?
Intrigued obviously?
Quote from: Westy on January 28, 2025, 06:43:53 PMChange to the 326 eh?
Intrigued obviously?
I thought you'd be interested in that! Perhaps Diamond have reviewed your concerns about reliability!
Quote from: Stu on January 28, 2025, 06:50:07 PMI thought you'd be interested in that! Perhaps Diamond have reviewed your concerns about reliability!
Have now spotted the timetable on Diamond's site & commented elsewhere.
Quote from: Stu on January 28, 2025, 04:14:25 PMTfWM's website no longer has any mention of the 77A/X15 being taken over by 'Stevensons', so I assume this isn't going to happen now and NX will continue with these.
On the subject of 'TfWM errors' I was wryly amused to see that apparently National Express Coventry will have a revised timetable for the 48/48A services West Brom - Bearwood - QEH :grin:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Stevensons have declined the tender
Quote from: metrocity on January 28, 2025, 09:10:24 PMStevensons have declined the tender
Selling out to British Bus instead?
I am guilty of spreading misinformation thanks to TfWM! :grin:
I posted some details of long-term diversions on my website earlier today, using information taken from the TfWM website.
Screenshot 2025-02-09 at 18-34-54 Upcoming Bus Service Changes Transport for West Midlands.png
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
I only realised afterwards when I did a bit more investigating, that the 47 doesn't go anywhere near Harvills Hawthorn! (And is not actually being diverted at this time, so I removed this reference from my article)
The TfWM website fails to point out that Diamond's 30 service is being diverted as a result of this road closure.
https://www.diamondbuses.com/bus-services/wm/wm30-west-brom/
Also while the TfWM website points out the diversion on the 529 towards Walsall, it fails to mention Carolean's 23/23A and DIamond's 326 having to use the same diversion as well. (Thanks to
@Westy for pointing this out to me!)
That website says the 326 was revised last Sunday, with the timetable link "to follow"...
I guess it's lucky
@Westy wasn't relying on that link!
From March the 3/3A (West Brom-Blackheath/Merry Hill) will move to Pensnett and the 52 (City-Perry Beeches) will move to West Bromwich
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 09, 2025, 08:16:31 PMFrom March the 3/3A (West Brom-Blackheath/Merry Hill) will move to Pensnett and the 52 (City-Perry Beeches) will move to West Bromwich
Interesting, be nice to see Diesel Deckers on the 52 again, preferably the Gemini!
Quote from: ellspurs on February 09, 2025, 06:54:53 PMThat website says the 326 was revised last Sunday, with the timetable link "to follow"...
I guess it's lucky @Westy wasn't relying on that link!
Good job I looked at Diamond's own site instead!
Even BusTimes was updated as well!
Quote from: Jack on February 09, 2025, 08:39:00 PMInteresting, be nice to see Diesel Deckers on the 52 again, preferably the Gemini!
Odd, with the 52, as last time it changed garages, it went to Walsall!
Quote from: Stu on February 09, 2025, 06:43:55 PMI am guilty of spreading misinformation thanks to TfWM! :grin:
I posted some details of long-term diversions on my website earlier today, using information taken from the TfWM website.
Screenshot 2025-02-09 at 18-34-54 Upcoming Bus Service Changes Transport for West Midlands.png
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
I only realised afterwards when I did a bit more investigating, that the 47 doesn't go anywhere near Harvills Hawthorn! (And is not actually being diverted at this time, so I removed this reference from my article)
The TfWM website fails to point out that Diamond's 30 service is being diverted as a result of this road closure.
https://www.diamondbuses.com/bus-services/wm/wm30-west-brom/
Also while the TfWM website points out the diversion on the 529 towards Walsall, it fails to mention Carolean's 23/23A and DIamond's 326 having to use the same diversion as well. (Thanks to @Westy for pointing this out to me!)
You might want to amend that further, just to read 'Buses towards Willenhall from Bilston/Wolverhampton', as you've mentioned Bilston, but the Bilston direction isnt affected!
Just thought, there's the 303 as well, that will do the same diversion!
Mind you, there are still people waiting in the normal stop, despite there being a notice saying the stop is closed!
Quote from: Westy on February 10, 2025, 07:04:23 AMYou might want to amend that further, just to read 'Buses towards Willenhall from Bilston/Wolverhampton', as you've mentioned Bilston, but the Bilston direction isnt affected!
Just thought, there's the 303 as well, that will do the same diversion!
Mind you, there are still people waiting in the normal stop, despite there being a notice saying the stop is closed!
people have been doing this in the jewellery quarter while waiting for the 8A/C and 101 and get upset when the driver goes past, I can't understand it.
Quote from: jasmine on February 10, 2025, 04:45:57 PMpeople have been doing this in the jewellery quarter while waiting for the 8A/C and 101 and get upset when the driver goes past, I can't understand it.
It appeared this morning, when the 529 arrived this morning in Walsall, that 2 passengers had gone the wrong way!
Whether this was down to the 'diversion', I dont know!
Quote from: Westy on February 10, 2025, 04:58:24 PMIt appeared this morning, when the 529 arrived this morning in Walsall, that 2 passengers had gone the wrong way!
Whether this was down to the 'diversion', I dont know!
ah, mine has been down for 2 weeks
Quote from: Westy on February 10, 2025, 07:04:23 AMMind you, there are still people waiting in the normal stop, despite there being a notice saying the stop is closed!
Quote from: jasmine on February 10, 2025, 04:45:57 PMpeople have been doing this in the jewellery quarter while waiting for the 8A/C and 101 and get upset when the driver goes past, I can't understand it.
Yes, we have the same on Stratford Road by Aldi in Sparkbrook - nearside lanes are both coned-off and there are big yellow signs reading BUS STOP SUSPENDED, yet there are still people waiting in the shelter waving their arms in an agitated manner or just stood there looking puzzled when the bus just goes past and doesn't stop.
The irony on this occasion is that there is a 'temporary bus stop' marked just beyond where the cones end, probably about 50 yards further up the road.
QuoteYes, we have the same on Stratford Road by Aldi in Sparkbrook - nearside lanes are both coned-off and there are big yellow signs reading BUS STOP SUSPENDED, yet there are still people waiting in the shelter waving their arms in an agitated manner or just stood there looking puzzled when the bus just goes past and doesn't stop.
The irony on this occasion is that there is a 'temporary bus stop' marked just beyond where the cones end, probably about 50 yards further up the road.
Isn't the temporary and suspended bus stops served anyways? I taken the 4 many times and it's decided to stop at the bus stop itself rather than the temporary one
Quote from: BBS on February 10, 2025, 07:36:51 PMIsn't the temporary and suspended bus stops served anyways? I taken the 4 many times and it's decided to stop at the bus stop itself rather than the temporary one
Wouldn't be able to, not with the cones blocking access.
Quote from: BBS on February 10, 2025, 07:36:51 PMIsn't the temporary and suspended bus stops served anyways? I taken the 4 many times and it's decided to stop at the bus stop itself rather than the temporary one
Based on a TikTok I watched from a London bus driver, it's at the driver's discretion whether they stop at a suspended bus stop or not.
Quote from: jasmine on February 11, 2025, 12:56:28 PMBased on a TikTok I watched from a London bus driver, it's at the driver's discretion whether they stop at a suspended bus stop or not.
I think no bus is going to stop at a suspended stop.
Woodcock Street on the 94/95 has been suspended for about a year.
One day probably about a year ago an inspector told one of the drivers he was trying to get it reopened and not to stop there in the meantime. The paving was closed round the stop and he said if they stopped there and sombody stepped out in the road the company could be liable.
It has still not reopened as of today.
Quote from: 2206 on February 11, 2025, 02:34:20 PMI think no bus is going to stop at a suspended stop.
Woodcock Street on the 94/95 has been suspended for about a year.
One day probably about a year ago an inspector told one of the drivers he was trying to get it reopened and not to stop there in the meantime the paving was closed round the stop and he said if they stopped there and sombody stepped out in the road the company could be liable.
It has still not reopened as of today.
I think if a stop has been suspended for a year this goes without saying. I was mostly talking about trivial bus stop suspensions like a week-long one due to nearby road maintenance
QuoteI think if a stop has been suspended for a year this goes without saying. I was mostly talking about trivial bus stop suspensions like a week-long one due to nearby road maintenance
A bus stop suspension means do not stop there regardless of length of suspension or if people choose to ignore the big yellow signs and stand there as it causes a danger to other road users or causes an obstruction
Quote from: jasmine on February 11, 2025, 12:56:28 PMBased on a TikTok I watched from a London bus driver, it's at the driver's discretion whether they stop at a suspended bus stop or not.
Depends what the running board diverson says, but normally if it says suspended you shouldn't stop there.
Quote from: John on February 11, 2025, 03:23:44 PMA bus stop suspension means do not stop there regardless of length of suspension or if people choose to ignore the big yellow signs and stand there as it causes a danger to other road users or causes an obstruction
I know, all I'm doing is repeating what that London driver said on TikTok.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 09, 2025, 08:16:31 PMFrom March the 3/3A (West Brom-Blackheath/Merry Hill) will move to Pensnett and the 52 (City-Perry Beeches) will move to West Bromwich
I can sort of understand the 3/3A going to Pensnett, as they lost some work start of this year and presumably have spare vehicles.
But I can't see the logic of the 52 going to West Brom myself, unless they're going to (somehow) interwork it with another city service, will be a lot more dead mileage involved than running it out of Perry Barr.
Quote from: Jack on February 09, 2025, 08:39:00 PMInteresting, be nice to see Diesel Deckers on the 52 again, preferably the Gemini!
You'll probably end up with Scanias again! :grin:
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2025, 03:05:02 PMI can sort of understand the 3/3A going to Pensnett, as they lost some work start of this year and presumably have spare vehicles.
But I can't see the logic of the 52 going to West Brom myself, unless they're going to (somehow) interwork it with another city service, will be a lot more dead mileage involved than running it out of Perry Barr.
You'll probably end up with Scanias again! :grin:
No pensnett havnt got spare buses
One from wolves has come
Four from West Brom to come
Quote from: karl724223 on February 15, 2025, 04:34:05 PMNo pensnett havnt got spare buses
One from wolves has come
Four from West Brom to come
Presumably those will be Enviro200s then, which I assume will be replaced at WB with Scanias from PB.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2025, 03:05:02 PMI can sort of understand the 3/3A going to Pensnett, as they lost some work start of this year and presumably have spare vehicles.
But I can't see the logic of the 52 going to West Brom myself, unless they're going to (somehow) interwork it with another city service, will be a lot more dead mileage involved than running it out of Perry Barr.
You'll probably end up with Scanias again! :grin:
Don't take this as gospel but apparently the 52 will interwork with the 74 ie when an interworking 74 reaches city it will then turn into a 52 to PB and back, then 74 back to WB. What's amusing is how the passengers will go from brand new electrics back to the plethora of ex PB hand-me-downs that WB got.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2025, 03:05:02 PMI can sort of understand the 3/3A going to Pensnett, as they lost some work start of this year and presumably have spare vehicles.
Or spare drivers? If so I can understand moving routes to where drivers are available.
Quote from: ZF B7 on February 15, 2025, 05:08:54 PMDon't take this as gospel but apparently the 52 will interwork with the 74 ie when an interworking 74 reaches city it will then turn into a 52 to PB and back, then 74 back to WB. What's amusing is how the passengers will go from brand new electrics back to the plethora of ex PB hand-me-downs that WB got.
That's why I put (somehow), as unless the 52 changes its terminus point from Livery Street, its going to be difficult to interwork.
For it to interwork with the 74, the 52 will have to start from Old Square, same as the 74 does.
And yes, I can't see regular passengers being impressed by having brand new electrics replaced with older diesels! (But I suppose any bus is better than no bus, and all that)
My other concern with interworking is how this affects reliability - at present the 52 operates as a standalone service, but the 74 does suffer from delays.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2025, 05:39:26 PMAnd yes, I can't see regular passengers being impressed by having brand new electrics replaced with older diesels! (But I suppose any bus is better than no bus, and all that)
The 52 at PB has diesel Scanias on it nearly everyday Monday to Friday and there's nothing wrong with E400s either.
Quote from: 2206 on February 15, 2025, 05:51:06 PMThe 52 at PB has diesel Scanias on it nearly everyday Monday to Friday and there's nothing wrong with E400s either.
The 52 gets whatever goes. The Electrics are nice but the seating downstairs is naff and not popular with passengers so the Diesals will be welcome back. Won't be surprised to see an E200 turn up at some point.
I saw a comment about dead mileage, WB run dead to and from Kingstanding and Sutton, so Great Barr is nothing for them.
Quote from: Jack on February 15, 2025, 07:01:31 PMThe 52 gets whatever goes. The Electrics are nice but the seating downstairs is naff and not popular with passengers so the Diesals will be welcome back. Won't be surprised to see an E200 turn up at some point.
I saw a comment about dead mileage, WB run dead to and from Kingstanding and Sutton, so Great Barr is nothing for them.
no way that anyone would rather have an E400 over the new electrics, especially if it interworks with the 74, the interior on most of those red/white E400s are nasty.
basically everyone i know welcomed the electrics over the 66 plates we had on the sutton lines even, from a passenger POV the electrics are miles ahead, with the LCD interior displays, improved seating, USB A/C charging and the aircon they have (ik its a blower system), not even mentioning the other passenger comforts you get with an EV.
Quote from: ZF B7 on February 15, 2025, 05:08:54 PMDon't take this as gospel but apparently the 52 will interwork with the 74 ie when an interworking 74 reaches city it will then turn into a 52 to PB and back, then 74 back to WB. What's amusing is how the passengers will go from brand new electrics back to the plethora of ex PB hand-me-downs that WB got.
What a load of absolute rubbish you are talking.
For one thing there is more than a slight difference in the frequencies of the 2 routes as well as others have mentioned, the city terminal points being different.
Quote from: D10 on February 15, 2025, 08:35:47 PMWhat a load of absolute rubbish you are talking.
For one thing there is more than a slight difference in the frequencies of the 2 routes as well as others have mentioned, the city terminal points being different.
The main fact the 52 was chosen to go to WB was because it was nominally a single deck route, interworking with the 74 would completely contradict the reason it moved
QuoteI can sort of understand the 3/3A going to Pensnett, as they lost some work start of this year and presumably have spare vehicles.
But I can't see the logic of the 52 going to West Brom myself, unless they're going to (somehow) interwork it with another city service, will be a lot more dead mileage involved than running it out of Perry Barr.
You'll probably end up with Scanias again! :grin:
I expected the 101 to end up at West Bromwich to be fair
Quote from: D10 on February 15, 2025, 08:35:47 PMWhat a load of absolute rubbish you are talking.
For one thing there is more than a slight difference in the frequencies of the 2 routes as well as others have mentioned, the city terminal points being different.
Obviously not every 74 you idiot. Read what I wrote again. It says "interworking 74" not every 74.
Some of the 74 drivers are on a 4 day rota, that is what the 52 will apparently be apart of.
Quote from: ZF B7 on February 15, 2025, 09:47:11 PMObviously not every 74 you idiot. Read what I wrote again. It says "interworking 74" not every 74.
No sorry, you're the idiot for posting preposterous things that are never going to happen.
And if you have ever scheduled then you'd know how difficult it would be to interwork buses and drivers between a 5 and 20 minute service.
Quote from: BBS on February 15, 2025, 09:10:08 PMI expected the 101 to end up at West Bromwich to be fair
How would that work, What buses?
Quote from: D10 on February 15, 2025, 09:51:53 PMNo sorry, you're the idiot for posting preposterous things that are never going to happen.
And if you have ever scheduled then you'd know how difficult it would be to interwork buses and drivers between a 5 and 20 minute service.
Again, not every 74. And I doubt its rocket science to interwork them. I don't see what's "preposterous" about it. They can easily move the 52's terminus to the 74 one and change timetable if need be. All information I gathered is from colleagues, I work for the company unlike keyboard warriors like you
Quote from: ZF B7 on February 15, 2025, 10:20:11 PMAgain, not every 74. And I doubt its rocket science to interwork them. I don't see what's "preposterous" about it. They can easily move the 52's terminus to the 74 one and change timetable if need be. All information I gathered is from colleagues, I work for the company unlike keyboard warriors like you
Erm I do work for the company too and all the signs are that there will be no interworking of the 52 with anything, it will work on it's own Running Boards when it transfers over.
QuoteHow would that work, What buses?
I never said I want it to work though? I just said I expected that to head to WB rather than 52
Wasn't the 52 run from Walsall at some point can't be much more dead mileage from WA to Great Barr/Perry Barr than from WB to Great Barr/Perry Barr
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 16, 2025, 01:07:09 PMWasn't the 52 run from Walsall at some point can't be much more dead mileage from WA to Great Barr/Perry Barr than from WB to Great Barr/Perry Barr
I think it was in the early 2000s & the 952 ran from Walsall as well during 2018.
Before the current incarnation of the route via Lozells though (old 46).
Tony's bottom pictures of 4307/8/9 are on there when at Walsall.
Quote from: 2206 on February 16, 2025, 01:20:32 PMI think it was in the early 2000s & the 952 ran from Walsall as well during 2018.
Before the current incarnation of the route via Lozells though (old 46).
Tony's bottom pictures of 4307/8/9 are on there when at Walsall.
The 52 was at Walsall till at least 2005. Tony has a photo of WA B6 on the 52 back in 2005, can't remember which one. WA's Tridents and Presidents was the main allocation. Then it went back to PB and it was a mixture of B7TL's and Metrobuses.
Then the 952 in its final few months was WA.
I'm surprised they didn't find a way of extending the 52 to & from Walsall, running it in conjunction with the 51?
Looking at Google Maps, it would've come off Walsall Road, Booths Farm Road, Turnberry Road, Beeches Road, back onto Walsall Road presumbly?
Quote from: Westy on February 16, 2025, 05:28:40 PMI'm surprised they didn't find a way of extending the 52 to & from Walsall, running it in conjunction with the 51?
Looking at Google Maps, it would've come off Walsall Road, Booths Farm Road, Turnberry Road, Beeches Road, back onto Walsall Road presumbly?
Again, see my comment before about it needing to be a single deck operated route.
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2025, 05:35:52 PMAgain, see my comment before about it needing to be a single deck operated route.
Ok, based on people suggesting to the NX experts how to run their buses. I have looked at the TfWM Birmingham area map and the NX route map for the 52, in conjunction with Google maps! Why not merge the 52 with the single deck 28? :smiley:
Quote from: jamesX4 on February 16, 2025, 07:06:47 PMOk, based on people suggesting to the NX experts how to run their buses. I have looked at the TfWM Birmingham area map and the NX route map for the 52, in conjunction with Google maps! Why not merge the 52 with the single deck 28? :smiley:
Both are run by PB, so how does that benefit this change?
Quote from: jamesX4 on February 16, 2025, 07:06:47 PMOk, based on people suggesting to the NX experts how to run their buses. I have looked at the TfWM Birmingham area map and the NX route map for the 52, in conjunction with Google maps! Why not merge the 52 with the single deck 28? :smiley:
How would you do that ?
How would the Scott Arms be served ?
What about Losells and City ?
Their frequencies don't match either
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2025, 05:35:52 PMAgain, see my comment before about it needing to be a single deck operated route.
I'm not too familiar with the route south of Perry Barr, so I take it there's a low bridge somewhere between there & the City Centre?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 16, 2025, 07:40:44 PMHow would you do that ?
How would the Scott Arms be served ?
What about Losells and City ?
Their frequencies don't match either
I have no idea re. your 4 questions.
My comment started,
"Ok, based on people suggesting to the NX experts how to run their buses." Intended to come across as a facetious comment, as I am sure that NX experts know far more than most who comment here.
Quote from: Westy on February 16, 2025, 07:47:59 PMI'm not too familiar with the route south of Perry Barr, so I take it there's a low bridge somewhere between there & the City Centre?
No there's not.
I think Tony means Perry Barr will be transferring a number of Scania Single Deckers to West Brom along with the 52. As WB can't operate electric double decks. & therefore it had to be a single deck route transferring out.
Quote from: 2206 on February 16, 2025, 08:42:44 PMNo there's not.
I think Tony means Perry Barr will be transferring a number of Scania Single Deckers to West Brom along with the 52. As WB can't operate electric double decks. & therefore it had to be a single deck route transferring out.
Why can't WB operate electric DDs?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on February 17, 2025, 05:50:40 AMWhy can't WB operate electric DDs?
No charging equipment or infrastructure at WB
Quote from: jamesX4 on February 16, 2025, 07:06:47 PMOk, based on people suggesting to the NX experts how to run their buses. I have looked at the TfWM Birmingham area map and the NX route map for the 52, in conjunction with Google maps! Why not merge the 52 with the single deck 28? :smiley:
Merging routes that have their own complications and intricacies will immediately cause reliability issues.
I guess moving the 28 & 28a & extending those to start from West Brom is a non starter?
The length for one, & ISTR the 28's have or have had serious reliability issues in the past, I believe.
Quote from: Westy on February 17, 2025, 10:36:10 AMI guess moving the 28 & 28a & extending those to start from West Brom is a non starter?
The length for one, & ISTR the 28's have or have had serious reliability issues in the past, I believe.
I haven't used the 28 for a few years now but I know the route it takes down the Chester road can get congested
QuoteI guess moving the 28 & 28a & extending those to start from West Brom is a non starter?
The length for one, & ISTR the 28's have or have had serious reliability issues in the past, I believe.
Didn't the 28 go to small heath?
Quote from: BBS on February 17, 2025, 10:12:24 PMDidn't the 28 go to small heath?
Until 31st December 2022 yes.
The daytimes Ward End to Small Heath became the 24 & operated by Lea Hall metrobuses, then 98, 28A and latterly 93.
NX continued to run evenings & Sundays as the 28.
diamond ran the 28A from Redditch as well for a few years.
I read as well before 1980 it ran into the City Centre.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36844288@N00/51182933763/in/photolist-2oqYnvz-2ouz1aT-2oiE7j6-2jpE5mv-2mwnj3m-2mvZiQt-2kiHRoN-TeLxes-2kxpSXW-2kYWkjM-2kYMhtX-2kYWkN2-2kYRV2e
If anyone hasn't spotted the new 674 timetable yet, as it's supposed to start on Monday, but the TFWM link from the changes web page doesn't work correctly, plus it's not updated on WCT's own website either?
The only place you can find it is if you go straight to the 'Find Timetable' option.
Who the heck runs the TFWM website, as the amount of 'non joined up thinking' is abysmal!
Quote from: Westy on February 21, 2025, 10:47:01 PMIf anyone hasn't spotted the new 674 timetable yet, as it's supposed to start on Monday, but the TFWM link from the changes web page doesn't work correctly, plus it's not updated on WCT's own website either?
The only place you can find it is if you go straight to the 'Find Timetable' option.
Who the heck runs the TFWM website, as the amount of 'non joined up thinking' is abysmal!
It's available on bus times
https://bustimes.org/services/674-walsall-wednesbury-via-gillity-village
I take it this planned move of the 3/3A and 52 services hasn't happened yet then, from glancing over at BusTimes?
Quote from: Stu on February 24, 2025, 07:05:14 PMI take it this planned move of the 3/3A and 52 services hasn't happened yet then, from glancing over at BusTimes?
Planned for March
Quote from: Stu on February 24, 2025, 07:05:14 PMI take it this planned move of the 3/3A and 52 services hasn't happened yet then, from glancing over at BusTimes?
9 March, 3A stopping at WB.