Does anyone else think 6759- 7542 feel really slow, when onboard to make a journey the stop/ starting feels time consuming.
Quote from: Owen on October 01, 2023, 03:17:16 PMDoes anyone else think 6759- 7542 feel really slow, when onboard to make a journey the stop/ starting feels time consuming.
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Quote from: Owen on October 01, 2023, 03:17:16 PMDoes anyone else think 6759- 7542 feel really slow, when onboard to make a journey the stop/ starting feels time consuming.
6759-6892 don't, i've noticed it's the 68 plates and newer that can struggle for power more, hence why the drive puts his foot right on the ground to pull away.
Quote from: Owen on October 01, 2023, 03:17:16 PMDoes anyone else think 6759- 7542 feel really slow, when onboard to make a journey the stop/ starting feels time consuming.
I've never noticed to be honest.
Quote from: Jack on October 01, 2023, 04:34:04 PM6759-6892 (tel:6759-6892) don't, i've noticed it's the 68 plates and newer that can struggle for power more, hence why the drive puts his foot right on the ground to pull away.
I think you're onto something there, the newer ones sound more like toy trains to me when pulling off. The 2016 -17 batches have a little more oomph. But any stop/start platinum gets beat out of the water when compared to a enviro 400 MK1. Even some alx400 tridents, and wright Gemini... imo.
Some earlier platinums (the ZF ones) are quite rapid, like 6711. Maybe the later platinums are slower in comparison to older buses because they are more limited.
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 01, 2023, 05:02:00 PMSome earlier platinums (the ZF ones) are quite rapid, like 6711. Maybe the later platinums are slower in comparison to older buses because they are more limited.
6711 is the best ZF MMC NX have with 6117 being close behind it, those things have power!
6711 feels like how a good trident does. Well a more modern version, Powerful and full vim
Some AG crimsons are beasts too.
different gearbox fitted to the latter batches voith instead of the zf ecomatic
Yeah cause the driver has to rev it a lot in 1st gear just to get it moving
Quote from: Owen on October 01, 2023, 03:17:16 PMDoes anyone else think 6759- 7542 feel really slow, when onboard to make a journey the stop/ starting feels time consuming.
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 04, 2023, 06:11:18 PMYeah cause the driver has to rev it a lot in 1st gear just to get it moving
You do realise they are automatic transmission?
The driver cannot 'rev it a lot in First gear'
some drivers rev it out then release the handbrake, i have noticed lately some platinums starting to roll back annoying issue
Quote from: 2900 on October 04, 2023, 08:59:10 PMsome drivers rev it out then release the handbrake, i have noticed lately some platinums starting to roll back annoying issue
Is that to make it pull away quicker? I've noticed this sometimes on the 23/24 when trying to pull out in rush hour traffic at Five Ways.
Quote from: 2900 on October 04, 2023, 08:59:10 PMsome drivers rev it out then release the handbrake, i have noticed lately some platinums starting to roll back annoying issue
It's a similar practice to driving a manual car - hold the car at or above the biting point then release the handbrake for a "racing start".
Effective in practice, though won't do the gearbox much good in the longrun.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 05, 2023, 08:10:03 AMIt's a similar practice to driving a manual car - hold the car at or above the biting point then release the handbrake for a "racing start".
Effective in practice, though won't do the gearbox much good in the longrun.
yeah, good description that, get the engine into the power band as it were, i've never got into that practice even though it makes sense to at busy islands junctions etc, i just trudge along and wait for the blast of the horn and gestures :smiley:
on hill starts need to start to remember which ones wont hold on pull away, i get caught out on small brook queensway 1st to city, that delay when pressing gas pedal and movement is an eternity, jokes
Quote from: 2900 on October 05, 2023, 08:58:19 AMyeah, good description that, get the engine into the power band as it were, i've never got into that practice even though it makes sense to at busy islands junctions etc, i just trudge along and wait for the blast of the horn and gestures :smiley:
on hill starts need to start to remember which ones wont hold on pull away, i get caught out on small brook queensway 1st to city, that delay when pressing gas pedal and movement is an eternity, jokes
Some of the Leyland Nationals were just as temperamental. Some you could pop into 2nd, hold revs and release the handbrake, others would bounce all over the place like a kangaroo!
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2023, 07:10:18 PMYou do realise they are automatic transmission?
The driver cannot 'rev it a lot in First gear'
I know but it doesn't matter. point is they rev a lot more in first gear compared to the 66 reg ones
An issue i've noticed on WB platinums is the corrosion of aluminum panels, no amount of hard wearing paint going to stop that if its poorly done in the first place.
Quote from: 2900 on October 08, 2023, 08:41:52 AMAn issue i've noticed on WB platinums is the corrosion of aluminum panels, no amount of hard wearing paint going to stop that if its poorly done in the first place.
They look tatty 6701-6758 do. Far from looking good as someone else said they are a mess.
Quote from: Jack on October 08, 2023, 03:13:53 PMThey look tatty 6701-6758 do. Far from looking good as someone else said they are a mess.
As I've said before elsewhere, even the 'skirts' on some of Walsall's single deck Crimsons are looking a little tatty, let's say.
How long is a paint job supposed to last on average?
Most double deck buses look ok above lower saloon window level, may be better off focusing on the lower areas its these areas that most draws your attention, back in the day Metrobuses use to have a sticker in cab when next repaint was due every 5 years
Platinum 7508 apparently torched last night on the 33 service, photo i have seen same level of fire damage as WB6988 so no chance of repair either
Quote from: 2900 on October 26, 2023, 10:07:38 AMPlatinum 7508 apparently torched last night on the 33 service, photo i have seen same level of fire damage as WB6988 so no chance of repair either
Not as bad as 6988, ADL coming tomorrow to give a quote.
we use see a lot of engine fires, then fire suppression kits were added to engine bays, may be time for for fire suppression kits for saloons too. Public buildings its legal requirement, may be should be for buses to.
Within 8 years we've already lost 3 (potentially 4 now) E400 MMCs to fires. Hopefully the perpetrator is caught and harshly dealt with.
Agreed. But the individual concerned will plead poverty......
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 26, 2023, 02:24:42 PMWithin 8 years we've already lost 3 (potentially 4 now) E400 MMCs to fires. Hopefully the perpetrator is caught and harshly dealt with.
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 26, 2023, 02:24:42 PMWithin 8 years we've already lost 3 (potentially 4 now) E400 MMCs to fires. Hopefully the perpetrator is caught and harshly dealt with.
Have they all been arson?
What services were they on, and when were these fires?
Quote from: MW on October 26, 2023, 04:43:59 PMHave they all been arson?
What services were they on, and when were these fires?
6137 on the 11 at Yardley
6766 on the 529 at Willenhall
6899 on the 50 in the City Centre (repaired)
6988 on the 74 in Handsworth
7508 on the 33 in Kingstanding
so no obvious common link
all Arson
Quote from: 2900 on October 26, 2023, 11:30:51 AMwe use see a lot of engine fires, then fire suppression kits were added to engine bays, may be time for for fire suppression kits for saloons too. Public buildings its legal requirement, may be should be for buses to.
The fire suppression system in the engine bays work by displacing the oxygen in the atmosphere - with pressurised gas denser than air; eliminating one element of the combustion triangle (oxygen, heat, and a fuel source)
This type of fire suppression wouldn't be so practical in a saloon, as the density of the gas could lead to suffocation (for instance, if the vehicle wasn't evacuated in time). A sprinkler system may be more practical than this type of fore suppression, although it wouldn't do the internal electrics much good either.
I would imagine the arsonists usually operate at the back of buses, possibly the upper deck - so providing some sort of suppression system in that area would suffice as a risk reduction. I guess the electrics could be better protected in those areas but the weight of carrying extra fluid or material for suppression might be an issue.
At some point the costs of and impact on performance/weight of extra risk reduction measures against the risk of loss of or damage to a vehicle (and, although it hasn't happened, thankfully, injury or death to staff or passengers) would need to be assessed.