Looking at the details in the amended DVSA registrations it looks like the following NXC changes are on the cards,
As usual don't take the following as gospel or the full story...
1 - NXC will no longer operate.
3 - Warwickshire Shopping Park to University Hospital removed from route.
5/5B - Norman Place Road to Lythalls Lane/Everdon Road removed from route.
7 - Evenings and Sunday journeys between City and Brownshill Green removed.
19 - NXC will no longer operate.
20C - Foleshill to University Hospital removed from route.
31 - NXC will no longer operate.
Also amended timetables for 8/9, 14/14A and 17/17A ... TfWM hint a possible removal of Evening and Sunday journeys between Rail Station and Finham on service 9.
In less constrained times one would assume there is going to be a 'semi-orbital' type route put out to tender encompassing bits of the 1/5/20C/31 (?).
Just a waiting game now for all to be revealed.
Quote from: JPC on November 26, 2022, 04:35:28 PMLooking at the details in the amended DVSA registrations it looks like the following NXC changes are on the cards,
As usual don't take the following as gospel or the full story...
1 - NXC will no longer operate.
3 - Warwickshire Shopping Park to University Hospital removed from route.
5/5B - Norman Place Road to Lythalls Lane/Everdon Road removed from route.
7 - Evenings and Sunday journeys between City and Brownshill Green removed.
19 - NXC will no longer operate.
20C - Foleshill to University Hospital removed from route.
31 - NXC will no longer operate.
Also amended timetables for 8/9, 14/14A and 17/17A ... TfWM hint a possible removal of Evening and Sunday journeys between Rail Station and Finham on service 9.
In less constrained times one would assume there is going to be a 'semi-orbital' type route put out to tender encompassing bits of the 1/5/20C/31 (?).
Just a waiting game now for all to be revealed.
I've heard that there is a new tender to replace the 1 combined with the northern section of the 5 from Coundon running back to the Arena apparently running every hour called the 15. The 20C I assume will just be left as is unless the 703 takes over a portion and I would assume the 31 is just being cut out as a result of the 3 to Hospital ending and the 703 following the portion of unserved route along Deedmore Road. As I say though, this is only what I've heard - we will have to wait for the official announcement.
I hope there is some form of replacement for the 20C I use it to get to work at the Hospital from Walsgrave.
I never understood the change of the 1 from Walsgrave to Chapelfields to Coventry to Coundon
Buses need to stop changing all the time it confuses people and puts people off the services .
The 5 has changed so many times in the last year the people in Coundon must be getting fed up
Everything needs to change for the good now
With the 1 being withdrawn i wonder if there will be an increase on the number 2 route or will another company take over it
From above - 1 - NXC will no longer operate.
If NXC has dropped the 1 could it be someone else will step in?
Diamond used to run it from the hospital to the train station and onwards. Be good to see them back again!!!!!
Quote from: stellasteve on November 26, 2022, 07:47:35 PMI've heard that there is a new tender to replace the 1 combined with the northern section of the 5 from Coundon running back to the Arena apparently running every hour called the 15. The 20C I assume will just be left as is unless the 703 takes over a portion and I would assume the 31 is just being cut out as a result of the 3 to Hospital ending and the 703 following the portion of unserved route along Deedmore Road. As I say though, this is only what I've heard - we will have to wait for the official announcement.
This assumed new "15" certainly makes sense and something virtually the same was planned to happen in September 2021 (numbered as "29") before it was quickly changed for some unbeknown reason, Coundon to Arena Park is near enough a 30 minute journey so will be an easy bolt on to existing service.
The Stagecoach 703 could be amended to miss out Bell Green and go via Lentons Lane instead because Bell Green already has more regular links to UHCW, Arena Park and Victoria Farm (with services 20A, 22 and Arriva 78), it can still call to Wood End to link with the 21 and may need Saturday service reinstating - it looks like some roads between Potters Green and UHCW are going to lose out though.
Bits of the the 19 route could be covered with the 24/25/25A diverting via Stoney Rd and Humphrey Burton Rd and the Stagecoach 87/87A via Cannon Hill Rd and Canley Crematorium.
I also have visions of the Stagecoach 60 covering Dorchester Way, Skipworth Road and Warwickshire Shopping Park but think there is much lesser odds on that happening.
Quote from: JPC on November 27, 2022, 09:45:16 PMThis assumed new "15" certainly makes sense and something virtually the same was planned to happen in September 2021 (numbered as "29") before it was quickly changed for some unbeknown reason, Coundon to Arena Park is near enough a 30 minute journey so will be an easy bolt on to existing service.
The Stagecoach 703 could be amended to miss out Bell Green and go via Lentons Lane instead because Bell Green already has more regular links to UHCW, Arena Park and Victoria Farm (with services 20A, 22 and Arriva 78), it can still call to Wood End to link with the 21 and may need Saturday service reinstating - it looks like some roads between Potters Green and UHCW are going to lose out though.
Bits of the the 19 route could be covered with the 24/25/25A diverting via Stoney Rd and Humphrey Burton Rd and the Stagecoach 87/87A via Cannon Hill Rd and Canley Crematorium.
I also have visions of the Stagecoach 60 covering Dorchester Way, Skipworth Road and Warwickshire Shopping Park but think there is much lesser odds on that happening.
It sounds like those roads currently covered by the 3, will go un-served again, which would be a shame.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 28, 2022, 05:54:36 PMIt sounds like those roads currently covered by the 3, will go un-served again, which would be a shame.
Extend the route of the one a day 218 ?
Quote from: Sandy Lane on November 28, 2022, 06:16:40 PMExtend the route of the one a day 218 ?
Its once a week apparently. Friday only. Basically a shoppers bus it seems.
https://bustimes.org/services/218-binley-woods-walsgrave-tesco
Quote from: 2206 on November 28, 2022, 07:11:13 PMIts once a week apparently. Friday only. Basically a shoppers bus it seems.
https://bustimes.org/services/218-binley-woods-walsgrave-tesco
Not many bus users on Dorchester Way so once a week could just do it!
The biggest problem with the 20C/31/703 is the timings . The 31 leaves the hospital at 45 mins past the hour
703/20C leave at around quarter past .
The 20C needs timetable changes to make a half hourly service with the 703 to the hospital and to the arena because sometimes 2 buses literally follow each other down jackers road in aldermans green it's actually embarrassing.
Get rid of the 31 and have the 20C leave at quarter to going to town and then the 703 which leaves at quarter past . Instead of just withdrawing the 20C cause that is just going to cause issues
So the 7 on sundays and after 6pm will be ran by stagecoach midlands
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-changes/bus-service-changes-from-1-january-2023/
Quote from: JPC on November 26, 2022, 04:35:28 PMLooking at the details in the amended DVSA registrations it looks like the following NXC changes are on the cards,
As usual don't take the following as gospel or the full story...
3 - Warwickshire Shopping Park to University Hospital removed from route.
So is the 3 still ?
- Pending decision: There are still a number of services that we are working through, these will be published on this page when ready.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 05, 2022, 09:59:56 PMSo is the 3 still ?
- Pending decision: There are still a number of services that we are working through, these will be published on this page when ready.
Was the 3 (Binley to UHCW section) on that TfWM 'at danger' list - not sure that it was. But, in saying that, something may still appear on that website regards the NXC 3.
Seems official that the 31 will be Withdrawn in the new year
We now have official confirmation...
https://nxbus.co.uk/coventry/service-updates/timetable-changes-from-sunday-1st-january-2023
The only main difference to what was already assumed is that NXC will continue to operate service 19,
I'll hazard a guess there was zero bids for this tender and TfWM have therefore approached NXC for an 'extension'?.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 05, 2022, 10:16:39 PMWas the 3 (Binley to UHCW section) on that TfWM 'at danger' list - not sure that it was. But, in saying that, something may still appear on that website regards the NXC 3.
Published today -
Arena Shopping Park - University Hospital (via Coventry and Warwickshire Shopping Park)This service is withdrawn between Warwickshire Shopping Park and University Hospital due to delays caused by cycle works on Binley Road. Alternative services to the Hospital are available by changing onto the 60 at Binley or route 9 at Gosford Street or Pool Meadow. Transport for West Midlands are looking at other alternatives.Hmmm?
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 13, 2022, 07:51:32 PMPublished today -
Arena Shopping Park - University Hospital (via Coventry and Warwickshire Shopping Park)
This service is withdrawn between Warwickshire Shopping Park and University Hospital due to delays caused by cycle works on Binley Road. Alternative services to the Hospital are available by changing onto the 60 at Binley or route 9 at Gosford Street or Pool Meadow. Transport for West Midlands are looking at other alternatives.
Hmmm?
Yes, I don't get that either - wouldn't have thought those particular works have badly affected the 3. It does hint of a possible TfWM (funded presumably) replacement.
Could one 'new' service operating in the north-eastern side of the city - cover the loss of this section of the 3 and 20C ? That would be another long and winding urban service.
Some of the new timetables are now up on the usual places (tfwm/traveline)...
There is a notable frequency change in the evenings on the 8, 9 and 17/17A to every 40 minutes, It looks like the 9 will interwork 17/17A during evenings/Sundays, the 8 is no longer split in two halves so no longer interworks with 16.
The Fenside end of the 17/17A gets a clockwise only routing arrangement in the Evenings.
Quote from: JPC on December 15, 2022, 08:55:54 PMSome of the new timetables are now up on the usual places (tfwm/traveline)...
There is a notable frequency change in the evenings on the 8, 9 and 17/17A to every 40 minutes, It looks like the 9 will interwork 17/17A during evenings/Sundays, the 8 is no longer split in two halves so no longer interworks with 16.
The Fenside end of the 17/17A gets a clockwise only routing arrangement in the Evenings.
Honestly a good change. The 20:00 17 from the hospital can be quite rammed due to people finishing work there at that time so the extra capacity is sometimes needed.
Quote from: Danthebusman on December 16, 2022, 12:26:03 PMHonestly a good change. The 20:00 17 from the hospital can be quite rammed due to people finishing work there at that time so the extra capacity is sometimes needed.
Not quite what you may be thinking - it is a reduced Evening frequency compared to current, the 9 and 17 will combine in the evenings to provide the City-UHCW link at roughly 'every 20 mins', however we should certainly see a marked improvement in the Evening and Sunday timekeeping/reliability.
Wonder whos running the new 51 service in coventry
Stagecoach perhaps?
Signs up in Pool Meadow today. Changes detailed were:
1 - Replaced by new service 51
2 - Moving to Stand V
5/5A - Revised timetable; 5 to terminate at Coundon & Coundon - Arena replaced by 51
5B - Withdrawn
7/7A - Revised Timetable, Stagecoach to operate evenings/sundays, moving to Stand J towards Bell Green
8/9 - Revised Timetable
14/A - Revised Timetable
17/A - Revised Timetable
19 - Withdrawn
51 - New service to Arena Retail Park (hourly) operated by Stagecoach to replace parts of service 1 and operating from Stand V
Quote from: stellasteve on December 17, 2022, 06:29:24 PMSigns up in Pool Meadow today. Changes detailed were:
1 - Replaced by new service 51
2 - Moving to Stand V
5/5A - Revised timetable; 5 to terminate at Coundon & Coundon - Arena replaced by 51
5B - Withdrawn
7/7A - Revised Timetable, Stagecoach to operate evenings/sundays, moving to Stand J towards Bell Green
8/9 - Revised Timetable
14/A - Revised Timetable
17/A - Revised Timetable
19 - Withdrawn
51 - New service to Arena Retail Park (hourly) operated by Stagecoach to replace parts of service 1 and operating from Stand V
I believe the 19 was reinstateed
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 14, 2022, 09:47:56 AMYes, I don't get that either - wouldn't have thought those particular works have badly affected the 3. It does hint of a possible TfWM (funded presumably) replacement.
Could one 'new' service operating in the north-eastern side of the city - cover the loss of this section of the 3 and 20C ? That would be another long and winding urban service.
No news yet from "Mission (
lack of Coventry understanding) Control" at TfWM in Brum. Sounds like no other realistic suitable service will happen?
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 18, 2022, 11:30:40 AMNo news yet from "Mission (lack of Coventry understanding) Control" at TfWM in Brum. Sounds like no other realistic suitable service will happen?
See above. Sounds like this new '51' is replacing a number of withdrawn services. Not sure about the 3 segment though.
On the Government website, National Express have registered a service 23 between Coventry and Arena Retail Park. It states 23, 23a, 3, 3s as being registered from 3 January 2023.
However there's nothing on either TfWM or NX Cov yet.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 18, 2022, 12:02:24 PMOn the Government website, National Express have registered a service 23 between Coventry and Arena Retail Park. It states 23, 23a, 3, 3s as being registered from 3 January 2023.
However there's nothing on either TfWM or NX Cov yet.
That'll just be the changes to the 3 service. 23 was the original registered route number, I believe it got changed some time back.
Regarding this '51' service, I see there was a tender issued by TfWM for a 'new' 15 service, which was intended to replace the whole of the 1 as well as incorporating part of the commercial 5 being withdrawn by NXC.
So the question is 15 or 51? I can't see why Stagecoach would prefer to number it 51.
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2022, 04:55:01 PMRegarding this '51' service, I see there was a tender issued by TfWM for a 'new' 15 service, which was intended to replace the whole of the 1 as well as incorporating part of the commercial 5 being withdrawn by NXC.
So the question is 15 or 51? I can't see why Stagecoach would prefer to number it 51.
As far as I'm concerned it says 51 although the tender did say 15 if I remember correctly. It might be because it goes west then north, following direction of Nuneaton buses for a very short period instead of 15 which may be confused with Leamington 15 and similar to (x) 17/18 buses that go south. As with the Chemsley 71 being renumbered to 26 for the sunday evening journeys (I think) then it may be Stagecoach just trying to differentiate from NX numbers (14, 16 etc). I have a picture of the poster yet I am not entirely sure how/if you can attach images to the forum though.
Seems there is a part-replacement for the loss of the 3 between the Warwickshire Shopping park and UHCW.
Upcoming Bus Changes | Transport for West Midlands (tfwm.org.uk) (https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-changes/) (See 3 'Arena to Warwickshire')
"NXWM withdrew journies from Warwickshire shopping park to University Hospital. Stagecoach Midlands 60 Warwick University to Arena Retail Park, funded by TfWM, will be re-routed to serve the withdrawn section of route 3 between Warwickshire Shopping Park and University Hospital"
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 20, 2022, 09:46:37 PMSeems there is a part-replacement for the loss of the 3 between the Warwickshire Shopping park and UHCW.
Upcoming Bus Changes | Transport for West Midlands (tfwm.org.uk) (https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-changes/) (See 3 'Arena to Warwickshire')
"NXWM withdrew journies from Warwickshire shopping park to University Hospital. Stagecoach Midlands 60 Warwick University to Arena Retail Park, funded by TfWM, will be re-routed to serve the withdrawn section of route 3 between Warwickshire Shopping Park and University Hospital"
Good idea but will SC accept NXC Daysavers? If not travel starts to get expensive!
No Stagecoach do not accept NXC tickets and vice versa. You would need an Nbus.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 21, 2022, 10:05:23 AMNo Stagecoach do not accept NXC tickets and vice versa. You would need an Nbus.
Thanks. How much is Nbus please?
A NBus daysaver is £4.20 and is valid on virtually any bus in the West Midlands (plus certain additional areas).
However this can't be bought at present on Stagecoach buses although is accepted. If you are only using Stagecoach buses, then a Stagecoach Coventry daysaver is £4.00 and is valid within Coventry, Kenilworth and Bedworth. (See Stagecoach website) contact less payment now accepted.
Please note that Stagecoach do not accept Swift as Stagecoach Group have their own Smartcard for use on their services.
Please also note that the price on the TfWM website appears wrong as it states the price to be £4.50 and cash only.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 21, 2022, 01:26:12 PMA NBus daysaver is £4.20 and is valid on virtually any bus in the West Midlands (plus certain additional areas).
However this can't be bought at present on Stagecoach buses although is accepted. If you are only using Stagecoach buses, then a Stagecoach Coventry daysaver is £4.00 and is valid within Coventry, Kenilworth and Bedworth. (See Stagecoach website) contact less payment now accepted.
Please note that Stagecoach do not accept Swift as Stagecoach Group have their own Smartcard for use on their services.
Please also note that the price on the TfWM website appears wrong as it states the price to be £4.50 and cash only.
Hope this helps.
Thanks it does. Thanks. So Nbus is 20p more. Liveable. But with SC coming more into the West Mids surely they will be forced to sell Nbus tickets byTfWM.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 21, 2022, 05:33:35 PMThanks it does. Thanks. So Nbus is 20p more. Liveable. But with SC coming more into the West Mids surely they will be forced to sell Nbus tickets byTfWM.
Stagecoach already sell nbus tickets. Not sure where this claim that they do not sell them as come from.
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/midlands/n-network-multi-operator-tickets
^ just to reiterate my point.
https://tis-kml-stagecoach.s3.amazonaws.com/PdfTimetables/XLAO071.pdf
The new Stagecoach "26" service appears to be a 71.
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2022, 06:01:07 PMhttps://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/midlands/n-network-multi-operator-tickets
^ just to reiterate my point.
Seems like most drivers don't understand how to use a ticket machine then! I have tried to purchase an nBus on the 48C, 55, 56, 60 and 82 before but the driver just let me on in 4 of the instances. Hopefully now they have more routes then the ticket machines/drivers can be corrected/educated respectively as I assume there will be many more encounters with the ticket.
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2022, 05:59:15 PMStagecoach already sell nbus tickets. Not sure where this claim that they do not sell them as come from.
I agree, if Stagecoach are operating services under contract to TfWM then they should be selling, as well as accepting, nBus and nNetwork tickets.
They should also be accepting Swift as a payment method.
I notice the last two at night finish at Castle Vale I wonder if they will use the depot just up the road used for commonwealth games?
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2022, 06:51:29 PMI agree, if Stagecoach are operating services under contract to TfWM then they should be selling, as well as accepting, nBus and nNetwork tickets.
They should also be accepting Swift as a payment method.
They are. I've accepted Stagecoach issued nbus tickets on my bus before.
The issue is probably down to lack of driver training as mentioned above.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 20, 2022, 09:46:37 PMStagecoach Midlands 60 Warwick University to Arena Retail Park, funded by TfWM, will be re-routed to serve the withdrawn section of route 3 between Warwickshire Shopping Park and University Hospital"
This re-routed 60 will most likely occur on Mon-Sat daytime journeys only and will add a few minutes to the journey, however we could possibly see the awkward stop at Whitley Business Park (also only served Mon-Sat daytime) dropped from the route to compensate this.
QuoteI notice the last two at night finish at Castle Vale I wonder if they will use the depot just up the road used for commonwealth games?
No, That was on a very short term lease. I was talking to someone from TfWM on the train home tonight and he says they haven't found a site yet. At least finishing at Castle Vale they are close to get on M6 J6 to get back to Rugby
Thanks Tony just a thought,do we know how many buses will be required for this new work.
QuoteThanks Tony just a thought,do we know how many buses will be required for this new work.
I believe a total of 10
The information regarding Nbus not being issued by Stagecoach is on the TfWM website. I would be very surprised if that was true, especially given the extra work they'll be starting in January.
This also states Swift is not acceptable, contradicting the info on Stagecoach website.
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2022, 07:50:10 PMI believe a total of 10
I make it 14, stand to be corrected.*
A9 - 5 buses (30/60mins)
41 - 3 buses (60mins)
46 - 4 buses (30mins)
169 - 2 buses (60mins)
Then you've got the existing Solihull work 82/87/88 which are run out of Nuneaton (6 buses).
I'd guess these would be incorporated (depending on location) to the new rumoured depot/outstation.
That's a total PVR of 19, with Sunday PVR of approx 7. (A9, 46 & 71)
*Edited figure; originally posted 13 buses.
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2022, 07:57:27 PMI make it 13, stand to be corrected.
A9 - 5 buses (30/60mins)
41 - 2 buses (60mins)
46 - 4 buses (30mins)
169 - 2 buses (60mins)
I agree with your Pvr figures, except I understand the 41 Pvr should be 3, therefore 14 Pvr in total for new work gained.
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2022, 07:57:27 PMThat's a total PVR of 19, with Sunday PVR of approx 5. (A9 & 71)
The 46 will also operate on Sundays.
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2022, 08:17:08 PMThe 46 will also operate on Sundays.
Apologies, I didn't bother looking out for that, as I didn't see a Sunday service likely on the 46!
I'll edit my original post and include that.
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2022, 07:57:27 PMI make it 14, stand to be corrected.*
A9 - 5 buses (30/60mins)
41 - 3 buses (60mins)
46 - 4 buses (30mins)
169 - 2 buses (60mins)
Then you've got the existing Solihull work 82/87/88 which are run out of Nuneaton (6 buses).
I'd guess these would be incorporated (depending on location) to the new rumoured depot/outstation.
That's a total PVR of 19, with Sunday PVR of approx 7. (A9, 46 & 71)
*Edited figure; originally posted 13 buses.
Have you included the 60 and 51 routes witch i believe is ran by Nuneaton
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2022, 07:25:30 PMNo, That was on a very short term lease. I was talking to someone from TfWM on the train home tonight and he says they haven't found a site yet. At least finishing at Castle Vale they are close to get on M6 J6 to get back to Rugby
J5 that the 28/71 pass through should be even nearer.
QuoteJ5 that the 28/71 pass through should be even nearer.
That was the one I meant
36171 route learning the new 51 service and 7 to brownshill
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/scnh-36171?date=2022-12-22#journeys/355894786
Quote from: Danthebusman on December 22, 2022, 01:59:12 PM36171 route learning the new 51 service and 7 to brownshill
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/scnh-36171?date=2022-12-22#journeys/355894786
I believe it will be 7C
It says 7 on the Stagecoach Midlands Web page.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on December 22, 2022, 02:06:37 PMI believe it will be 7C
It said 7(C) before, indicating that it was the Coventry-running route 7.
It has been changed to 7 on the Stagecoach website now.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 22, 2022, 01:38:55 PM20A - Timetable COMING SOON
I imagine this must be a typo for 20C? - a final piece in the jigsaw of replacement bus services, it could potentially be a shorter route i.e tendered from UHCW to Arena Park/Foleshill, but as they're seemingly using the number 20 I guess Stagecoach are extending to the City Centre under their own steam - possibly in unison with a NXC '20E'. :rolleyes:
Quote from: JPC on December 22, 2022, 07:29:59 PMI imagine this must be a typo for 20C? - a final piece in the jigsaw of replacement bus services, it could potentially be a shorter route i.e tendered from UHCW to Arena Park/Foleshill, but as they're seemingly using the number 20 I guess Stagecoach are extending to the City Centre under their own steam - possibly in unison with a NXC '20E'. :rolleyes:
Could be a replacement for the 20C
Stagecoach website now with full timetables. 20A seems to just be 3 evening departures to the hospital (21.00, 22.00, 23.00) from Trinity Street and back again at each half hour. 51 includes the current 1, 5 and 20C to extend to the hospital in the daytime, giving Coundon and Radford a direct service to the hospital not seen since the outer circle was cut. The one thing which has confused me is the stop labelled "Coundon Bablake School" which i presume is a typo for Westhill Road/Courtland Avenue where the 1 currently terminates. Hopefully this service will get more patronage with the extra links so it doesn't get given the same fate as many other routes in the city.
Quote from: stellasteve on December 23, 2022, 12:50:58 PMStagecoach website now with full timetables. 20A seems to just be 3 evening departures to the hospital (21.00, 22.00, 23.00) from Trinity Street and back again at each half hour. 51 includes the current 1, 5 and 20C to extend to the hospital in the daytime, giving Coundon and Radford a direct service to the hospital not seen since the outer circle was cut. The one thing which has confused me is the stop labelled "Coundon Bablake School" which i presume is a typo for Westhill Road/Courtland Avenue where the 1 currently terminates. Hopefully this service will get more patronage with the extra links so it doesn't get given the same fate as many other routes in the city.
The school grounds on Hollyfast Rd/Westhill Rd belongs to Bablake School. The school house is opposite Gaveston Road.
Quote from: stellasteve on December 23, 2022, 12:50:58 PMStagecoach website now with full timetables. 20A seems to just be 3 evening departures to the hospital (21.00, 22.00, 23.00) from Trinity Street and back again at each half hour. 51 includes the current 1, 5 and 20C to extend to the hospital in the daytime, giving Coundon and Radford a direct service to the hospital not seen since the outer circle was cut. The one thing which has confused me is the stop labelled "Coundon Bablake School" which i presume is a typo for Westhill Road/Courtland Avenue where the 1 currently terminates. Hopefully this service will get more patronage with the extra links so it doesn't get given the same fate as many other routes in the city.
Ha! In the first post of this thread I did hint the assumption of a 'semi-orbital' type route being put out to tender encompassing bits of the 1/5/20C/31, so here we have it....
This long 51 service looks OK in principal and I agree with the extra links etc, but I see a few flaws, 1) it seems Everdon Rd isn't served. 2) the inbound schedule at Earlsdon isn't co-ordinated headway with the existing NXC service 2, Earlsdon will have two inbound buses 12 mins apart then a 48 minute gap each hour for most of the day, why or how TfWM are allowing this to happen I don't know but the reason would be so there isn't more than three buses on the 51 service.
Quote from: JPC on December 23, 2022, 04:22:28 PMbut the reason would be so there isn't more than three buses on the 51 service.
That seems a reasonable assumption, more buses equals more cost!!
QuoteThat seems a reasonable assumption, more buses equals more cost!!
probably looking at £40-£50 an hour to run a bus at the moment, average income per passenger is around £1 average when you take in pass use, so would putting an extra bus on the route from 07:00 to 19:00 attract another c500 people to use the service is what you have to look at.
It looks like service 2 has received a sneaky removal of it's Sunday service, fair enough they were short journeys and probably not carrying much, but no obvious announcement about this by any party nor any variation on the registration (yet).
The 16 now interworks with 5/5A (Sundays/Evenings).
Wonder if the 16 will see singles during weekdays since the 17 is going to be seeing more deckers with its interworking with the 9
Quote from: Danthebusman on January 02, 2023, 11:27:48 AMWonder if the 16 will see singles during weekdays since the 17 is going to be seeing more deckers with its interworking with the 9
Probably be the same allocation as it was before as 16 is a WN route and 17 and 9 was a PN route
Quote from: BNH2004 on January 02, 2023, 02:22:06 PMProbably be the same allocation as it was before as 16 is a WN route and 17 and 9 was a PN route
They're talking about the Coventry 16, 17, 9.
Which is a very long way East from Wombourne.
Quote from: 2206 on January 02, 2023, 02:29:48 PMThey're talking about the Coventry 16, 17, 9.
Which is a very long way East from Wombourne.
Just about as far as Stagecoach doing the Birmingham runs from Rugby!
The Stagecoach version of the 7 is now numbered 7C which I believe someone mentioned before but another person said it was wrong. The full destination into city on 26219 says 7C Pool Meadow via Holyhead Road - likely to differentiate from the National Express 7. Passenger numbers have taken a hit even for a bank holiday though - only 3 passengers including myself were on the bus during my journey compared to a constant 10-15 on the NX 7.
Quote from: JPC on January 02, 2023, 11:10:52 AMIt looks like service 2 has received a sneaky removal of it's Sunday service, fair enough they were short journeys and probably not carrying much, but no obvious announcement about this by any party nor any variation on the registration (yet).
Judging by Bustimes history (https://bustimes.org/services/2-coventry-city-centre-tile-hill/vehicles?date=2023-01-29) it would appear the Sunday service wasn't operated on service 2 for the month of January! - did that really happen?,
Since 5th Feb it's has a vehicle (B7RLE) shuttling 16 minutes each way every hour, I suppose there was no thought in extending these short journeys to Herald Avenue Sainsburys at least and link with other routes.
Quote from: JPC on February 19, 2023, 01:33:46 PMJudging by Bustimes history (https://bustimes.org/services/2-coventry-city-centre-tile-hill/vehicles?date=2023-01-29) it would appear the Sunday service wasn't operated on service 2 for the month of January! - did that really happen?,
Since 5th Feb it's has a vehicle (B7RLE) shuttling 16 minutes each way every hour, I suppose there was no thought in extending these short journeys to Herald Avenue Sainsburys at least and link with other routes.
More likely that the data supplied to bustimes.org didn't have the Sunday service included.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 19, 2023, 02:01:48 PMMore likely that the data supplied to bustimes.org didn't have the Sunday service included.
I now suppose that is likely what has happened, very strange though why as the service has remained 'unchanged' since September.
Quote from: JPC on February 19, 2023, 03:05:40 PMI now suppose that is likely what has happened, very strange though why as the service has remained 'unchanged' since September.
According to the NXC website, the service was revised from 8th January 2023.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 19, 2023, 05:19:23 PMAccording to the NXC website, the service was revised from 8th January 2023.
Its the decision to keep it 1 an hour without asking bus users who have to struggle now to get to hospital appointments as its the only bus that serves all of Torrington avenue from tile hill south to the A45
Surely NX have looked at the figures and seen that it doesn't warrant a 30 minute service. The buses don't even go up Torrington Avenue on a Sunday. Plus they have access to the on-demand service if an appointment is going to be missed if they have to time their journey to a bus only running every hour.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 19, 2023, 05:19:23 PMAccording to the NXC website, the service was revised from 8th January 2023.
But it's still the same timetable since September, the only reason why the timetable on the NXC website currently says from 8th Jan, and probably all NXC timetables say 8th Jan, is because there was a different level of service on certain days in the week previous to that (w/c 1st Jan).