Looks like NX are using deckers on the 4/4A whilst the 22** are on the 72s during today's strike.
I wonder when Coventry's diesel cascade happens if the 4 may receive some platinum deckers though with the 100 hydrogens and the amount of electrics coming to Coventry I doubt the tridents have long left
Quote from: BK63 YWP on June 21, 2022, 02:12:32 PMLooks like NX are using deckers on the 4/4A whilst the 22** are on the 72s during today's strike.
I wonder when Coventry's diesel cascade happens if the 4 may receive some platinum deckers though with the 100 hydrogens and the amount of electrics coming to Coventry I doubt the tridents have long left
Normally the E200MMCs are always full on the 4. Platinums will help because of more capacity but E200mmcs will be great for routes like the 1 and 17
Quote from: BBS on June 21, 2022, 05:14:45 PMNormally the E200MMCs are always full on the 4. Platinums will help because of more capacity but E200mmcs will be great for routes like the 1 and 17
Or 4800's 4900's from Coventry maybe. Or they could go to PB and 44XX for 4.
The 1 has long been a double decker route.
Quote from: BBS on June 21, 2022, 05:14:45 PMNormally the E200MMCs are always full on the 4. Platinums will help because of more capacity but E200mmcs will be great for routes like the 1 and 17
Trouble is a home would need to be found for the displaced single deckers. AG and WN have the highest number of non-Euro IV double deckers in the fleet by some distance and Solihull and Wolverhampton services *should* be Euro IV. I would have thought making inroads into their double deckers with cascades from somewhere would be a higher priority.
Quote from: cardew on June 21, 2022, 08:28:42 PMTrouble is a home would need to be found for the displaced single deckers. AG and WN have the highest number of non-Euro IV double deckers in the fleet by some distance and Solihull and Wolverhampton services *should* be Euro IV. I would have thought making inroads into their double deckers with cascades from somewhere would be a higher priority.
I mean the E200MMCs could go PB for 8A/8C and AG get the 11/12X platinums from CV. CV has the same amount of Platinums as 4/4A brandeds
QuoteI mean the E200MMCs could go PB for 8A/8C and AG get the 11/12X platinums from CV. CV has the same amount of Platinums as 4/4A brandeds
If only my job was that simple
Quote from: Tony on June 22, 2022, 08:23:50 PMIf only my job was that simple
Well that's how jobs work i guess hard work
Quote from: BBS on June 22, 2022, 04:20:08 PMI mean the E200MMCs could go PB for 8A/8C and AG get the 11/12X platinums from CV. CV has the same amount of Platinums as 4/4A brandeds
CV platinums will most likely be the last busses too go as the older vehicles will be withdrawn or cascaded first most likely
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 23, 2022, 12:34:30 AMCV platinums will most likely be the last busses too go as the older vehicles will be withdrawn or cascaded first most likely
As there are 46 (or was it 42?) electrics in the first batch, there would be enough, or almost enough for both replacement of all the old DDs at CV (ALX 400 and Gemini) and the platinums - the platinums would have the advantage that a simple change of branding is all that would be required to cascade them elsewhere - NXWM can't repaint double deckers currently so the E400s are unlikely to be involved (unless some other process for dealing with them occurs) and transferring + repainting B7RLE single deckers is hardly going to assist with general fleet replacement - unless they replace existing double deckers say at WA or WN.
46 in the first batch, 5 so far delivered.
You'll have to wait and see what happens, I am not allowed to give future movements.
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 23, 2022, 12:34:30 AMCV platinums will most likely be the last busses too go as the older vehicles will be withdrawn or cascaded first most likely
That does sound logical, however...
Quote from: don on June 23, 2022, 06:49:54 PMAs there are 46 (or was it 42?) electrics in the first batch, there would be enough, or almost enough for both replacement of all the old DDs at CV (ALX 400 and Gemini) and the platinums - the platinums would have the advantage that a simple change of branding is all that would be required to cascade them elsewhere - NXWM can't repaint double deckers currently so the E400s are unlikely to be involved (unless some other process for dealing with them occurs) and transferring + repainting B7RLE single deckers is hardly going to assist with general fleet replacement - unless they replace existing double deckers say at WA or WN.
I did think about this the other day too, whether it might actually be possible for the 20 current Platinums at Coventry to be among the first vehicles to be replaced, thus giving the West Midlands fleet some replacements for older double-decks, or some additional capacity on busier single deck routes.
Certainly it is probably more likely that older vehicles will be disposed of first as a priority, but you make a good point about repainting vehicles, though I'm sure Tony has said that the new equipment at Walsall bodyshop should be ready soon.
Its not unheard of though for Coventry-liveried vehicles to operate on WM services (and vice-versa), so this could happen even if just as a short-term measure.
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2022, 07:41:46 PM46 in the first batch, 5 so far delivered.
You'll have to wait and see what happens, I am not allowed to give future movements.
I'm sure you already have some kind of plan in place, so part of the 'fun' is trying to second-guess you! :grin:
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 23, 2022, 12:34:30 AMCV platinums will most likely be the last busses too go as the older vehicles will be withdrawn or cascaded first most likely
Maybe
CVs 47**, 48**, 49** could transfer to WN and WA to replace 43**/ 44** tridents as more drivers are type trained on those vehicles at both WN and WA had/have E400s
If CV have Euro 6 Geminis they could go to AG to replace older gemninis that aren't euro 6
and the 69**/75** at CV could go to BC and YW to replace 43**/ 44** tridents
Quote from: don on June 23, 2022, 06:49:54 PMNXWM can't repaint double deckers currently so the E400s are unlikely to be involved and transferring + repainting B7RLE single deckers is hardly going to assist with general fleet replacement
NXC logos could be removed and replaced with NXWM logos until they can be repainted
Quote from: BNH2004 on June 23, 2022, 07:51:44 PMMaybe
CVs 47**, 48**, 49** could transfer to WN and WA to replace 43**/ 44** tridents as more drivers are type trained on those vehicles at both WN and WA had/have E400s
If CV have Euro 6 Geminis they could go to AG to replace older gemninis that aren't euro 6
and the 69**/75** at CV could go to BC and YW to replace 43**/ 44** tridents
NXC logos could be removed and replaced with NXWM logos until they can be repainted
I dont think they would go to WA. 6, 10, 41, etc don't need euro 6 buses.
49 and 76 do I think.
Quote from: BNH2004 on June 23, 2022, 07:51:44 PMMaybe
CVs 47**, 48**, 49** could transfer to WN and WA to replace 43**/ 44** tridents as more drivers are type trained on those vehicles at both WN and WA had/have E400s
If CV have Euro 6 Geminis they could go to AG to replace older gemninis that aren't euro 6
and the 69**/75** at CV could go to BC and YW to replace 43**/ 44** tridents
NXC logos could be removed and replaced with NXWM logos until they can be repainted
The 69**/ 75** can also go AG too and could replace old 42** and 44**s
There are 124 hydrogen due next year so I feel the tridents will become a rare breed!
Pensnett to get more platinum buses with the 61xx going back on the 11 and Volvo b7 single deckers replacing scania single deckers at another garage
With more enviro 200 8xx buses coming in for tendered work from diamond kiddiminster to Stourbridge and select kinver route
Quote from: BK63 YWP on June 23, 2022, 09:31:36 PMThere are 124 hydrogen due next year so I feel the tridents will become a rare breed!
Added to the 130 electrics, and the 20 hydroliners at Walsall, that makes enough vehicles to replace all double deckers up to 4696 (unless the 31 B7RLEs are used to replace more Scanias - as both are Euro 6 that seems unlikely initially).
I also think it unlikely NX would want to be running blue and white or two tone blue vehicles outside of Coventry in any quantity (there are 54 E400s) - I did wonder whether 4983-95 would end up at West Brom!
I'm presuming the CV E200s (or at least some of them) stay there for the time being).
A few of Coventry mercs came to PN before they were withdrawn! I believe the paint shop is having an upgrade so coaches can be painted too
Quote from: BK63 YWP on June 23, 2022, 11:38:47 PMA few of Coventry mercs came to PN before they were withdrawn! I believe the paint shop is having an upgrade so coaches can be painted too
I once caught 2155 on the 55(95). But I doubt they'd have blue buses in use at any large scale other than in Coventry. As these were in use on a much smaller scale.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 23, 2022, 10:16:56 PMPensnett to get more platinum buses with the 61xx going back on the 11 and Volvo b7 single deckers replacing scania single deckers at another garage
With more enviro 200 8xx buses coming in for tendered work from diamond kiddiminster to Stourbridge and choice kinver route
Amazing how NX have managed to win the tendered work, when they haven't even been put out to tender.....🤔
Quote from: don on June 23, 2022, 10:57:22 PMAdded to the 130 electrics, and the 20 hydroliners at Walsall, that makes enough vehicles to replace all double deckers up to 4696 (unless the 31 B7RLEs are used to replace more Scanias - as both are Euro 6 that seems unlikely initially).
I guess it's possible the 31 B7RLEs might go to, for instance, Walsall to replace more Scanias, and a similar number of Euro 6 Tridents and Gemini's are retained for another 2 yrs - however that would mean a handful of 03 plate and a batch of 54 plate Tridents still in service in 2024 (the Gemini's are 05). I guess there are lots of other engineering considerations such as MOT expiry, condition etc of vehicles, rolling out electric and hydrogen facilities at depots, which will influence decision making and timing.
Be nice if 4576 would come back to home territory at WN or even WA when the Hydrogens start, with it being a Crimson.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 23, 2022, 10:16:56 PMPensnett to get more platinum buses with the 61xx going back on the 11 and Volvo b7 single deckers replacing scania single deckers at another garage
With more enviro 200 8xx buses coming in for tendered work from diamond kiddiminster to Stourbridge and select kinver route
Does that include PBs 6113 and 6114?
And can AG have those volvo B7s the 20** 21**?
Quote from: don on June 24, 2022, 03:13:36 PMI guess it's possible the 31 B7RLEs might go to, for instance, Walsall to replace more Scanias, and a similar number of Euro 6 Tridents and Gemini's are retained for another 2 yrs - however that would mean a handful of 03 plate and a batch of 54 plate Tridents still in service in 2024 (the Gemini's are 05). I guess there are lots of other engineering considerations such as MOT expiry, condition etc of vehicles, rolling out electric and hydrogen facilities at depots, which will influence decision making and timing.
I think its likely that the single-decks at Coventry will be the last vehicles to be replaced - there will still be a requirement for single-deck vehicles at that garage, and there's been no hint yet of any single-deck electrics being procured.
The company still seems to have more single-decks than it needs, but I can see more of the older Scania OmniLinks start to be withdrawn in the next couple of years, which will begin to balance things out a little.
It will of course be interesting to see if there is any interest from NX Bus in converting some single-decks to electric
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2022, 04:25:39 PMQuoteI guess it's possible the 31 B7RLEs might go to, for instance, Walsall to replace more Scanias, and a similar number of Euro 6 Tridents and Gemini's are retained for another 2 yrs - however that would mean a handful of 03 plate and a batch of 54 plate Tridents still in service in 2024 (the Gemini's are 05). I guess there are lots of other engineering considerations such as MOT expiry, condition etc of vehicles, rolling out electric and hydrogen facilities at depots, which will influence decision making and timing.
I think its likely that the single-decks at Coventry will be the last vehicles to be replaced - there will still be a requirement for single-deck vehicles at that garage, and there's been no hint yet of any single-deck electrics being procured.
The company still seems to have more single-decks than it needs, but I can see more of the older Scania OmniLinks start to be withdrawn in the next couple of years, which will begin to balance things out a little.
If some of the B7RLE went they'd have to keep enough for 20B boards I think. 3 maybe, PVR looks to be 2, 1 spare. Unless they use E200 on it instead.
https://bustimes.org/services/20b-coventry-city-centre-foleshill-road-bayton-roa/vehicles?date=2022-06-24
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2022, 04:25:39 PMI think its likely that the single-decks at Coventry will be the last vehicles to be replaced - there will still be a requirement for single-deck vehicles at that garage, and there's been no hint yet of any single-deck electrics being procured.
The company still seems to have more single-decks than it needs, but I can see more of the older Scania OmniLinks start to be withdrawn in the next couple of years, which will begin to balance things out a little.
It will of course be interesting to see if there is any interest from NX Bus in converting some single-decks to electric
My guess is the E200s (or at least some) will stay for a while whilst the B7RLEs move. There's a lot of interesting stuff to come I guess - with Sprint being run from PB, presumably WA's need for so many double deckers reduces - could we see the E400s move to WN to replace their aging Tridents (along with some transferred from CV). And are the 4763-76 batch likely to stay at CV till withdrawal - they'll be 18 in 2025/6 (or perhaps transfer them to PN along with the rest of the batch that's at WB whilst WB get 4983-95).
It's great fun trying to second guess what @ Tony has planned :grin: :grin:
Then as you say, there's the possibility of electric conversions.
What's the betting some electric or hydrogen single deckers in 2024-25 to replace the Omnilinks?
The other alternative in Coventry if they don't want single deckers is to curtail the 20B at Oban Road and not serve Woodshires Road/Wilsons Lane. It only started serving the area around the start of the 21st century when the 20 became a PrimeLines route. When I was living on Woodshires Road we just had to either walk down to the terminus, or walk to the main road to catch a bus. They are planning on building a housing estate to the back of Wilsons Lane, so if they manage to build the roads wide enough a bus could loop around the back there.
Or develop a stumpy decker that would fit under a 12' 9" bridge!