Noticed a destination display change today. 94 now shows Via Ward End and Saltley. 95 Showing Via Shard End and Kingshurt.
However I'm not sure if it's currently both garages.
Noticed some of the BC buses have had the destinations changed. With the X12 now saying Via Chelmsley Wood on one blind and Via Castle Bromwich.
As well as the 97 now says via Heartlands Hospital and Via Bordersley Green, interestingly it no longer says Via Meadway.
Not sure on any other routes, as I've only seen those two routes recently.
Quote from: Gareth on February 23, 2022, 04:53:04 PM
Noticed a destination display change today. 94 now shows Via Ward End and Saltley. 95 Showing Via Shard End and Kingshurt.
However I'm not sure if it's currently both garages.
That probably makes more sense as its a bit clearer where both these routes go.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on February 23, 2022, 06:13:28 PM
Noticed some of the BC buses have had the destinations changed. With the X12 now saying Via Chelmsley Wood on one blind and Via Castle Bromwich.
As well as the 97 now says via Heartlands Hospital and Via Bordersley Green, interestingly it no longer says Via Meadway.
Not sure on any other routes, as I've only seen those two routes recently.
Again, it makes sense to highlight Heartlands Hospital on the display, for those that look at them anyway.
It will be interesting to see what gets rolled out across the network.
One example I can think of where this will benefit is the 4 and 4A. Presently both show 'via Acocks Green', even when both go to Solihull.
4 - Solihull Station - via Acocks Green & Olton
4A - Solihull Station - via Acocks Green & Gospel Oak
4A - Gospel Oak - via Acocks Green
Also, as a personal preference, I'd like to see both the 2 and 3 changed to show 'via Billesley' rather than 'Stoney Lane'.
Quote from: Stu on February 23, 2022, 07:25:54 PM
That probably makes more sense as its a bit clearer where both these routes go.
Again, it makes sense to highlight Heartlands Hospital on the display, for those that look at them anyway.
It will be interesting to see what gets rolled out across the network.
One example I can think of where this will benefit is the 4 and 4A. Presently both show 'via Acocks Green', even when both go to Solihull.
4 - Solihull Station - via Acocks Green & Olton
4A - Solihull Station - via Acocks Green & Gospel Oak
4A - Gospel Oak - via Acocks Green
Also, as a personal preference, I'd like to see both the 2 and 3 changed to show 'via Billesley' rather than 'Stoney Lane'.
I miss the scrolling via points which showed more points
Quite a few buses have the new display from what I saw today. Can't remember the last time the 63 said anything other than via Bristol Road. Even when the scrolling displays were a thing that's all it said.
It's been said already but yeah it'll definitely be good for those corridor routes that presently have the same solitary via point.
Destination displays are now done in house. The font has had to be changed as the previous contractor claimed copyright on the old font
Quote from: Tony on February 23, 2022, 08:06:49 PM
Destination displays are now done in house. The font has had to be changed as the previous contractor claimed copyright on the old font
I find that a bit strange really, I've played about with the HELEN software before, and the font that is used is no different to the 'standard' fonts included in the software, hence why when I see Diamond Buses, their display looks identical to that used on NX Buses.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on February 23, 2022, 07:51:59 PM
I miss the scrolling via points which showed more points
I think they were quite informative when they scrolled like that, but I believe there were 'accessibility issues' in that some people found they were hard to read. Plus it may not help if the bus speeds past at 20-30mph and you can't read all of what it says!
Isn't there a memory issue with what can be put on the displays?
Sure when there was a similar topic discussed in the past, someone mentioned that certain displays had been removed or simplified.
Without looking, I cannot remember any specific ones, but I don't think the one that refers to severe weather 'Serving Main Roads Only' was one of them!
Quote from: Tony on February 23, 2022, 08:06:49 PM
Destination displays are now done in house. The font has had to be changed as the previous contractor claimed copyright on the old font
Are stop announcements done in house as well?
Quote from: Stu on February 23, 2022, 08:35:20 PM
I find that a bit strange really, I've played about with the HELEN software before, and the font that is used is no different to the 'standard' fonts included in the software, hence why when I see Diamond Buses, their display looks identical to that used on NX Buses.
Thandi (Blue) also use a font similar to the NX one.
From the looks of it, it seems more Perry Barr buses have been done that most.
I see California has made a comeback onto the displays, on the X22.
I'd have thought for uniformity University / Selly Oak & Weoley Castle - University / Bartley Green & Kitwell would've been better. Keeping the corridor section separate.
If destination displays are now done in house could "via Coventry" be ditched at the
earliest opportunity for something more informative ?
Quote from: sandboy20 on February 24, 2022, 10:48:39 AM
If destination displays are now done in house could "via Coventry" be ditched at the
earliest opportunity for something more informative ?
@sandboy20 which routes does this apply to, and what would you suggest instead? I'm not from Coventry so would like to understand how this affects Cov passengers.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 24, 2022, 02:37:45 PM
@sandboy20 which routes does this apply to, and what would you suggest instead? I'm not from Coventry so would like to understand how this affects Cov passengers.
It's one I agree looks daft. It is displayed on cross-city routes, via city centre is more appropriate in my view
Quote from: Tony on February 24, 2022, 02:43:16 PM
It's one I agree looks daft. It is displayed on cross-city routes, via city centre is more appropriate in my view
I see what you mean. Thinking about it, it does sound daft (a bit like putting via Wolverhampton or via Birmingham). Didn't the older roller blinds have "via Pool Meadow" and "via Burgess" in white on blue in this context?
There seems to be a couple of variations on the 94 at least. Some seems to be showing an alternating display of Via Castle Bromwich / Via Ward End and Saltley and some show Via Castle Bromwich / Via Ward End.
I think though it may all be the same display. My 94 pulled into the city centre stop showing the first one, but then seemed to switch to the second one.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 24, 2022, 02:51:37 PM
I see what you mean. Thinking about it, it does sound daft (a bit like putting via Wolverhampton or via Birmingham). Didn't the older roller blinds have "via Pool Meadow" and "via Burgess" in white on blue in this context?
Sure I saw just 'Pool Meadow ' in old pictures?
The 16 has been done too. Now displays ‘via Handsworth Wood’ as well as ‘via Hockley’
Quote from: Gareth on February 24, 2022, 05:07:22 PM
There seems to be a couple of variations on the 94 at least. Some seems to be showing an alternating display of Via Castle Bromwich / Via Ward End and Saltley and some show Via Castle Bromwich / Via Ward End.
I think though it may all be the same display. My 94 pulled into the city centre stop showing the first one, but then seemed to switch to the second one.
4484 on 95 shows via Ward End and via Shard End. One with the green displays.
Platinum 6998 on 94 showing via Ward End & Saltley and via Castle Bromwich. Also showing Birmingham/via Ward End on side display.
Plus the 28 shows via Ward End & Pype Hayes /Old Oscott & Erdington to.
Late nights show 28E Old Oscott Dyas Road. Dyas Rd being new on the display.
I saw 753 this morning on the 14A. Front display wax kept changed from 14A merry hill to 14 merry hill with different via points below side displays was keep display 14A tho
Quote from: Westy on February 24, 2022, 06:26:41 PM
Sure I saw just 'Pool Meadow ' in old pictures?
most recently it was the likes of "via City centre" or "via City (Pool Meadow)" before that the not so
helpful "via City" was used to exhaustion. In the 1980s Fleetlines and Metrobuses had lazy blinds in that they didn't
need changing, both termini could be and frequently were left on display at the same time eg "20 Bedworth/Broadgate" or
"19 Eastern Green/Pool Meadow".
Looks like the 'Part route' has been removed from the new displays. Now it's just the destination and nothing underneath which looks weird. Seen X21 'Weoley Castle' and X22 'Bartley Green' recently. Not sure why via points can't be included still to be honest if you're not going to put 'part route' there.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 02, 2022, 05:36:31 PM
Looks like the 'Part route' has been removed from the new displays. Now it's just the destination and nothing underneath which looks weird. Seen X21 'Weoley Castle' and X22 'Bartley Green' recently. Not sure why via points can't be included still to be honest if you're not going to put 'part route' there.
I think 28E Old Oscott has Dyas Road underneath and 94E Ward End Fox & Goose underneath.
Others just have X4 Erdington, 66 Star City, X22 Bartley Green etc. They could have put Six Ways under the Erdington one as well I guess.
Two variations seen on the 14. Birmingham via Alum Rock & Saltley / via Lea Village & Stechford. And also Chelmsley Wood via Alum Rock & Stechford / via Lea Hall & Tile Cross
Quote from: Gareth on March 03, 2022, 04:31:55 PM
Two variations seen on the 14. Birmingham via Alum Rock & Saltley / via Lea Village & Stechford. And also Chelmsley Wood via Alum Rock & Stechford / via Lea Hall & Tile Cross
Same on 28 I think.
28 Heartlands Hospital via Old Oscott & Erdington/via Pype Hayes & Ward End.
28 Great Barr via Erdington & Old Oscott / via Perry Beeches/Scott Arms.
You'd think, unless a route goes a different way inbound than outbound, that the via points would sort of mirror themselves.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 03, 2022, 09:04:07 PM
You'd think, unless a route goes a different way inbound than outbound, that the via points would sort of mirror themselves.
For routes heading into Birmingham city centre, it seems like less via points are used.
The 23 to Bartley Green uses via Five Ways and Harborne, via California and Woodgate
Towards Birmingham though, it only uses via Harborne and Five Ways (similar to when scrolling displays were used, though that specific one ways always static).
Quote from: mesub on March 04, 2022, 11:55:21 PM
For routes heading into Birmingham city centre, it seems like less via points are used.
The 23 to Bartley Green uses via Five Ways and Harborne, via California and Woodgate
Towards Birmingham though, it only uses via Harborne and Five Ways (similar to when scrolling displays were used, though that specific one ways always static).
Yeah I remember and I noticed that on the 23 yesterday. Bit weird how it flipped between Harborne and Five Ways though, given they fit on one line on the outbound display. Similar to the X21 with Selly Oak & University, they're split on the outbound display but on one line inbound.
I've also noticed, since going back to in-house displays, that our buses share the same database as BC; as a side, 1869 left PB this afternoon with 14 on the blinds
Wonder whether this is the same with other "neighbouring" garages, (i.e AG & YW, WB & PN) as it was before
Quote from: CL on March 10, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
I've also noticed, since going back to in-house displays, that our buses share the same database as BC; as a side, 1869 left PB this afternoon with 14 on the blinds
Wonder whether this is the same with other "neighbouring" garages, (i.e AG & YW, WB & PN) as it was before
PB & BC shared blinds before as did AG & YW
How long does it for all buses to have the new style of destination blinds
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2022, 02:57:35 PM
PB & BC shared blinds before as did AG & YW
That was my question; whether that's the case now, now that it's been/being done in house
Two 67's on Chester Road outside Castle Vale both apparently going to 'Birmingham via Tyburn Road". Problem, one was outbound the other inbound. In any event as far as I understand the route is never outside Birmingham so how their destination was 'Birmingham' is beyond me. Whatever happened to the more useful information of 'City Centre' and 'Castle Vale'?
Quote from: RW on March 10, 2022, 06:37:30 PM
Two 67's on Chester Road outside Castle Vale both apparently going to 'Birmingham via Tyburn Road". Problem, one was outbound the other inbound. In any event as far as I understand the route is never outside Birmingham so how their destination was 'Birmingham' is beyond me. Whatever happened to the more useful information of 'City Centre' and 'Castle Vale'?
They do display Castle Vale.
Driver probably forgot to change the display in City.
Quote from: RW on March 10, 2022, 06:37:30 PM
Two 67's on Chester Road outside Castle Vale both apparently going to 'Birmingham via Tyburn Road". Problem, one was outbound the other inbound. In any event as far as I understand the route is never outside Birmingham so how their destination was 'Birmingham' is beyond me. Whatever happened to the more useful information of 'City Centre' and 'Castle Vale'?
For routes showing 'Birmingham' as the destination, the assumption given is that it means "Birmingham City Centre".
Same applies really for routes showing Dudley, Wolverhampton, Walsall, Solihull etc, the assumption is the destination is the town/city centre or principal bus station/interchange.
As has been pointed out, in your case, the destination hadn't been updated for the outbound trip, as simple as that.
Quote from: RW on March 10, 2022, 06:37:30 PM
Two 67's on Chester Road outside Castle Vale both apparently going to 'Birmingham via Tyburn Road". Problem, one was outbound the other inbound. In any event as far as I understand the route is never outside Birmingham so how their destination was 'Birmingham' is beyond me. Whatever happened to the more useful information of 'City Centre' and 'Castle Vale'?
Quite agree, I have been harking on about this for some time. At least, unlike Coventry, you don't have displays showing "via Birmingham" though that presumably because being larger Birmingham doesn't have any cross city services. I can only assume someone has decided passengers need continually reminding of what city/town they are in lest it has slipped their memory.
Quote from: sandboy20 on March 12, 2022, 11:16:07 AM
Quite agree, I have been harking on about this for some time. At least, unlike Coventry, you don't have displays showing "via Birmingham" though that presumably because being larger Birmingham doesn't have any cross city services. I can only assume someone has decided passengers need continually reminding of what city/town they are in lest it has slipped their memory.
Birmingham is different to Coventry as the vast majority of services start outside Birmingham
Finally found the font for WMPTE/WMT fleet numbers (and in the process of trying to recreate them too!)
Looks like both the 45 and 47 flip between Pershore Road and Cotteridge. Which I find odd as I thought one of the points of this was to differentiate routes on corridors.
Also from what I've seen, no YW buses have been done.
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2022, 07:18:03 PM
For routes showing 'Birmingham' as the destination, the assumption given is that it means "Birmingham City Centre".
The X12 does show Birmingham City Centre I noticed. And I noticed like how the other routes side display alternates between Birmingham and via point, the X12 display on 7529 was alternating between Birmingham and City Centre.
I think X12 is the only route to show it in full.
I don't get the big fuss about displays showing 'Birmingham'. 95% of people will know it means City Centre.
I mean, how far the other way do you go? Change X22 to say Wood Lane? I mean, Woodgate is vague right...
14 destination is much improved, showing via Alum Rock and Stechford, Lea Village and Tile Cross. Much better than just via Alum Rock as previously.
As for 'Birmingham' I would much prefer 'City Centre' as was always the case years ago.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 22, 2022, 07:24:43 AM
I don't get the big fuss about displays showing 'Birmingham'. 95% of people will know it means City Centre.
I mean, how far the other way do you go? Change X22 to say Wood Lane? I mean, Woodgate is vague right...
Or Kempsley House ;D
Different variation of the 94 display seen on 4620 today. via Ward End and via Smiths Wood.
Smiths Wood rather than Castle Bromwich.
I'll be honest, I'm not a massive fan of the new short working blinds. I preferred when the E was superscript and there was a part route section at the bottom, as (in my opinion) it utilised the destination display better.
Have all of the Birmingham garages' blinds been updated now? Or are there still some buses showing different variations for the same route?
Not much seems to be changing with Walsall/West Bromwich and nothing seems any different with Wolverhampton and Pensnett...
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on April 11, 2022, 05:25:15 PMHave all of the Birmingham garages' blinds been updated now? Or are there still some buses showing different variations for the same route?
Not much seems to be changing with Walsall/West Bromwich and nothing seems any different with Wolverhampton and Pensnett...
From what I've seen
WN - 4464, 4633, 5410, 6785
PN - 6112
WA - 2110, 2111, 2141, 2142, 3304, 6716, 6755
Quote from: BNH2004 on April 11, 2022, 05:28:44 PMFrom what I've seen
WN - 4464, 4633, 5410, 6785
PN - 6112
WA - 2110, 2111, 2141, 2142, 3304, 6716, 6755
why do pensnett buses twice when we have a new route starting 24th April
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on April 11, 2022, 05:25:15 PMHave all of the Birmingham garages' blinds been updated now? Or are there still some buses showing different variations for the same route?
Not much seems to be changing with Walsall/West Bromwich and nothing seems any different with Wolverhampton and Pensnett...
Not all of AGs have been done yet I think - I've seen a couple of their Platinums on the 5 which now show "via Widney Manor & Monkspath, via Shirley & Hall Green", but some still show 'via Monkspath'. Noticed some of the Outer Circle buses now have multiple via points too.
As for YW, I've only seen one vehicle so far, an E400EV I caught the other week on the 3, that was alternating between "via Sparkbrook & Stoney Lane" and "via Billesley & Trittiford Rd", every other 2 and 3 I've seen still shows 'via Stoney Lane'.
God I loved the Green dests when they had constant via changing for example the 11A/11C
Hmm interesting, are PB and BC complete then?
Quote from: BNH2004 on April 11, 2022, 05:28:44 PMFrom what I've seen
WN - 4464, 4633, 5410, 6785
PN - 6112
WA - 2110, 2111, 2141, 2142, 3304, 6716, 6755
and 6927 as well.
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2022, 06:34:20 PMNot all of AGs have been done yet I think - I've seen a couple of their Platinums on the 5 which now show "via Widney Manor & Monkspath, via Shirley & Hall Green", but some still show 'via Monkspath'. Noticed some of the Outer Circle buses now have multiple via points too.
As for YW, I've only seen one vehicle so far, an E400EV I caught the other week on the 3, that was alternating between "via Sparkbrook & Stoney Lane" and "via Billesley & Trittiford Rd", every other 2 and 3 I've seen still shows 'via Stoney Lane'.
Most of the AG ones that have the new dest are the outer circle e400mmcs and a couple geminis. The rest haven't changed yet. I did see 2 Yardley Wood Electrics with the new dest saying Solihull town centre and then via Shirley
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on April 11, 2022, 07:52:48 PMHmm interesting, are PB and BC complete then?
Still a few stragglers.. Not long passed 1823 on the 8C with the old-style displays
4491 has only just been updated, although will require a new front blind as the current one has been stuck displaying "94 Birmingham"
Great Wyrley is spelt incorrectly on the rear 128 x 17 blinds on the Platinums. It's spelt as "Greay Wyrley" instead. Not sure whether it's just on the Cannock blind or any others though.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 20, 2022, 02:54:18 PMGreat Wyrley is spelt incorrectly on the rear 128 x 17 blinds on the Platinums. It's spelt as "Greay Wyrley" instead. Not sure whether it's just on the Cannock blind or any others though
It's mostly overcast so not a bad description of it!!!!!
Was out and about in Birmingham today, it seems BC and PB are much more ahead of updating their blinds than depots in the Black Country. Are some depots waiting until the 24th April changes maybe?
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on April 21, 2022, 12:26:31 AMWas out and about in Birmingham today, it seems BC and PB are much more ahead of updating their blinds than depots in the Black Country. Are some depots waiting until the 24th April changes maybe?
Same goes for AG and YW, only handful of buses with the new dest
Noticed most of the PN fleet have gained the new front over the last few days
Seems the X21 inbound display has changed again, University and Selly Oak are displayed separately now instead of together. Don't get that to be honest, surely if you can fit more than one on a single line it's preferable.
I noticed a few blinds were different on direction too... seems a bit odd...
6874 has this... pen like device attached to the destination display controller. Does it change the destination display automatically or something else?
7E is missing an 'E' from the front destination display which displays "Witton 7" which I saw on my bus recently.
Quote from: busboy31 on July 29, 2022, 12:00:20 PM7E is missing an 'E' from the front destination display which displays "Witton 7" which I saw on my bus recently.
Maybe it's declaring support to to a certain nearby football team...
Witton 7
St Andrews 17 :-)
Could anyone tell me the name of the font used for the numbers used on destination displays of NEWM AND COVENTRY they changed them again from Ariel bold eg X22 anyinfo would be helpful
Quote from: richard5608 on December 07, 2022, 05:06:53 AMCould anyone tell me the name of the font used for the numbers used on destination displays of NEWM AND COVENTRY they changed them again from Ariel bold eg X22 anyinfo would be helpful
Have you got a picture and I'll find out?
QuoteCould anyone tell me the name of the font used for the numbers used on destination displays of NEWM AND COVENTRY they changed them again from Ariel bold eg X22 anyinfo would be helpful
It wasn't ArieI Bold, It was a font designed by the company that used to programme the blinds. As they had copyright to it when we stopped using them someone at NX redesigned it slighty to avoid copyright breach, so the current one doesn't have a name and is only usedon NX Blinds
Just seen a 16 go passed which alternated between Hamstead 16 and Service on diversion 16 in a different font. Not seen that before.
Quote from: busboy31 on July 29, 2022, 12:00:20 PM7E is missing an 'E' from the front destination display which displays "Witton 7" which I saw on my bus recently.
I know this is an old post and things have probably been changed again, but I believe that 'timetabled' short journeys don't show the -E suffix. For instance the YW 2 doesn't go to Maypole on Sundays but the destination shows '2 Warstock' rather than 2E.
Quote from: Stu on January 24, 2023, 07:13:03 PMI know this is an old post and things have probably been changed again, but I believe that 'timetabled' short journeys don't show the -E suffix. For instance the YW 2 doesn't go to Maypole on Sundays but the destination shows '2 Warstock' rather than 2E.
Short workings of WN2 to the city centre do show 2E. However this is the only one I can recall seeing.
Quote from: Stu on January 24, 2023, 07:13:03 PMI know this is an old post and things have probably been changed again, but I believe that 'timetabled' short journeys don't show the -E suffix. For instance the YW 2 doesn't go to Maypole on Sundays but the destination shows '2 Warstock' rather than 2E.
I think its to do with the NSA, when it was PART ROUTE the NSA wouldn't work but if it was a short journey with a via the NSA would work.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on January 24, 2023, 08:22:07 PMI think its to do with the NSA, when it was PART ROUTE the NSA wouldn't work but if it was a short journey with a via the NSA would work.
I guess thats probably just because they've not been programmed in.
Like how the PB 14, 65/67 BC 94/95, 877, etc don't have them as they've not been programmed in.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 24, 2023, 07:17:02 PMShort workings of WN2 to the city centre do show 2E. However this is the only one I can recall seeing.
Wolverhampton 1, 11 & 59 show E suffix on the short workings, especially 59s that complete the Griffiths Drive loops and terminate at either Ashmore Park top shops or the The Ashmore pub. I've seen 1E for City Centre and 11E for The Scotlands terminations too.
While I was in Birmingham and Solihull the other day I seen the X2 with new rear display I quite liked it,
Railway
X2 Solihull station
The other day I saw a platinum on the 16 that alternated between:
16 Hamstead
and:
16 Hamstead
via Hockley
All of the BC platinums seem to have the new format on their rear displays, apart from 6841, 7522 - which displays don't work, 6873 - which doesn't have a rear display and 6879 - which, last time I checked, was using the old format
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 13, 2024, 01:58:12 PMThe other day I saw a platinum on the 16 that alternated between:
16 Hamstead
and:
16 Hamstead
via Hockley
All of the BC platinums seem to have the new format on their rear displays, apart from 6841, 7522 - which displays don't work, 6873 - which doesn't have a rear display and 6979 - which, last time I checked, was using the old format
I saw 7527 with the old format on Thursday.
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 13, 2024, 01:58:12 PMThe other day I saw a platinum on the 16 that alternated between:
16 Hamstead
and:
16 Hamstead
via Hockley
All of the BC platinums seem to have the new format on their rear displays, apart from 6841, 7522 - which displays don't work, 6873 - which doesn't have a rear display and 6979 - which, last time I checked, was using the old format
6979 isn't a BC bus FYI.
I've noticed today that on the 11A service (Walsall to Dudley) on the front and side it shows 11A but the rear blind just shows 11.
I noticed that the NIS blinds (at least the rear blinds on platinum) now show NX's social media links
Quote from: TGZac on March 21, 2024, 03:48:14 PMI noticed that the NIS blinds (at least the rear blinds on platinum) now show NX's social media links
they have been like that for a long time
Noticed 6703 on the 5 this evening has new style destination displays.
On the front it shows "Solihull Town Centre", with 'town centre' in a thinner/narrower typeface.
On the rear it has Solihull in large, with Town above Centre on the right.
I also noticed on 6917 that it was only showing 'Yardley Wood' on the rear display while on the 3.
Looks like they're rolling it across more garages than (so a few announcement names may be updated too)
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2024, 07:23:07 PMNoticed 6703 on the 5 this evening has new style destination displays.
On the front it shows "Solihull Town Centre", with 'town centre' in a thinner/narrower typeface.
On the rear it has Solihull in large, with Town above Centre on the right.
I also noticed on 6917 that it was only showing 'Yardley Wood' on the rear display while on the 3.
Yeah I've noticed that it displays like this
Solihull town Centre But Solihull is the same size as as what town centre is if that makes sense.
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 05, 2024, 06:04:40 PMYeah I've noticed that it displays like this
Solihull town
Centre
But Solihull is the same size as as what town centre is if that makes sense.
Yes, bit difficult to describe without an image. It's like on the rear displays on the X2 and X12, that show 'Railway Station' stacked up next to Solihull.
Quote from: Stu on April 05, 2024, 07:18:11 PMYes, bit difficult to describe without an image. It's like on the rear displays on the X2 and X12, that show 'Railway Station' stacked up next to Solihull.
Yeah that's it not town centre sorry. It's hard to explain how it's displayed as you said.
Quote from: Stu on April 05, 2024, 07:18:11 PMYes, bit difficult to describe without an image. It's like on the rear displays on the X2 and X12, that show 'Railway Station' stacked up next to Solihull.
Just saw a bus on Soho Road with the blind "Stourbridge Junction" with no route number. What's that about?
The bus was a grey E400 and it's not being currently tracked on bustimes
Quote from: jasmine on October 30, 2024, 02:55:08 PMJust saw a bus on Soho Road with the blind "Stourbridge Junction" with no route number. What's that about?
The bus was a grey E400 and it's not being currently tracked on bustimes
It'll be on rail replacement. On until tomorrow.
Not worth starting a new thread so I'll post here but are there a couple of permutations of new destination layouts around at the moment?
Most PN platinums I saw today had the new-style scrolling displays. These result in a much smaller font final destination than the current style of display.
Also noticed a 24 towards city with new non-scrolling display showing Birmingham then alternating between 'via Harborne' and 'via Five Ways', rather than the current layout of 'via Harborne & Five Ways'.
Why the need to periodically tinker with displays? I'm sure things go full circle and then the whole process starts again.
I haven't noticed the PN versions myself. But from what I've seen on the X20 and 48, they have the old style scrolling displays on the front but the current larger destinations on the rear display. So a bit of a mismatch. Maybe it was just an error when uploading new displays for the recent changes.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 04, 2025, 07:11:10 PMI haven't noticed the PN versions myself. But from what I've seen on the X20 and 48, they have the old style scrolling displays on the front but the current larger destinations on the rear display. So a bit of a mismatch. Maybe it was just an error when uploading new displays for the recent changes.
Even routes that have not changed such as the 63 and X22 have the scrolling destination
Quote from: TGZac on June 04, 2025, 09:37:48 PMEven routes that have not changed such as the 63 and X22 have the scrolling destination
And yet plenty of others don't but in some cases have new variants of the existing alternating 'via' displays as per my previous post.
The scrolling displays are just a repeat of what we had previously. Personally I think the current non-scrolling displays with the slightly larger final destination and smaller via points are clearer.
The alternate displays are much nicer than the scrolling displays. Its a big letdown they've gone back to those.
Quote from: Mike K on June 04, 2025, 06:33:55 PMNot worth starting a new thread
Split and merged with existing thread on topic of destination displays
Personally I couldn't care less if a display scrolls or not as long as it tells you where you need to go
I do agree with this, my only issue with the current one is where with some routes it alternates between 3-4 different points individually when some of them can be put together on the same line. Surely it's better to combine say 4 via points onto two screens than 4 for example. Where possible or course.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on June 05, 2025, 07:38:00 AMPersonally I couldn't care less if a display scrolls or not as long as it tells you where you need to go
But for some passengers, it's harder to read a scrolling display than an alternating one.
NX seem to go through phases of changing the display configurations - I remember when Walsall had roller blinds fitted and (IIRC) was managed by an ex Arriva manager, the Track destination blinds for the 31 and 32 used to read "BLOXWICH" as the main destination, and then underneath depending upon the route "then Mossley" or "then Lower farm". It confused the hell out of passengers looking for the main destination, and no way of changing the display as it was a roller blind.
At least LED displays can be changed quickly if they are not favourable.
Quote from: Wumpty on June 05, 2025, 08:10:17 AMBut for some passengers, it's harder to read a scrolling display than an alternating one.
NX seem to go through phases of changing the display configurations - I remember when Walsall had roller blinds fitted and (IIRC) was managed by an ex Arriva manager, the Track destination blinds for the 31 and 32 used to read "BLOXWICH" as the main destination, and then underneath depending upon the route "then Mossley" or "then Lower farm". It confused the hell out of passengers looking for the main destination, and no way of changing the display as it was a roller blind.
At least LED displays can be changed quickly if they are not favourable.
I remember those back in 2011/2012. There was ones for Bilston too, 'Bilston then Stowlawn." Which did work as Stowlawn wasn't on any of the roller blinds at Walsall so it would just be displayed as Bilston!
Quote from: Jack on June 05, 2025, 08:46:40 AMI remember those back in 2011/2012. There was ones for Bilston too, 'Bilston then Stowlawn." Which did work as Stowlawn wasn't on any of the roller blinds at Walsall so it would just be displayed as Bilston!
Even worse was when no destination was displayed and it was either blank or just had the operator's name.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on June 05, 2025, 09:09:38 AMEven worse was when no destination was displayed and it was either blank or just had the operator's name.
Now you're harking back to the days of Birmingham Coach Company and the ubiquitous "SERVICE" on the blinds (a throwback to the days of the National Bus Company!).
Quote from: Mike K on June 04, 2025, 06:33:55 PMNot worth starting a new thread so I'll post here but are there a couple of permutations of new destination layouts around at the moment?
Most PN platinums I saw today had the new-style scrolling displays. These result in a much smaller font final destination than the current style of display.
Also noticed a 24 towards city with new non-scrolling display showing Birmingham then alternating between 'via Harborne' and 'via Five Ways', rather than the current layout of 'via Harborne & Five Ways'.
Why the need to periodically tinker with displays? I'm sure things go full circle and then the whole process starts again.
the other day i saw a 24 with a scrolling display i audibly said "what is THAT"
yesterday i saw an X20 and an X22 and the X22 had the old font (https://live.staticflickr.com/4375/36105981514_3291cb3ec0_b.jpg)
There's also this:
Quote from: frostjay974 on June 05, 2025, 03:16:50 PMThere's also this:
That looks like the Super X function in Helen.
Quote from: Jack on June 05, 2025, 05:40:18 PMUgly Super X.
Yeah it looks horrible, my personal favourite was the one they used between 2019 - mid 2022, does anyone know what it's called?
Quote from: frostjay974 on June 05, 2025, 06:22:26 PMYeah it looks horrible, my personal favourite was the one they used between 2019 - mid 2022, does anyone know what it's called?
The static ones? Also awful showing 1 via point.
Quote from: Jack on June 05, 2025, 05:40:18 PMUgly Super X.
Quote from: frostjay974 on June 05, 2025, 06:22:26 PMYeah it looks horrible, my personal favourite was the one they used between 2019 - mid 2022, does anyone know what it's called?
Super X was/is very popular at Arriva - not sure there's any benefit to passengers in the way the destinations are displayed but it does look good.
Quote from: frostjay974 on June 05, 2025, 06:22:26 PMYeah it looks horrible, my personal favourite was the one they used between 2019 - mid 2022, does anyone know what it's called?
pretty sure that was Arial
6894 on the X22 this evening with the defective scrolling display - showed 'via Woodgate' for a split second then started again.
Didn't catch the fleet number but a city-bound X20 this evening seemed to be stuck on "thfield and Selly Oak" on the 'via' scrolling line.
I saw an X22 platinum blind that was glitching, didn't get fleet number. Also saw an X20 coming into Birmingham, still displaying Birmingham but also saying that it was a short journey. If it's going to the final destination, even if it has done a short working is there any point in displaying that?
And are all buses going to switch to scrolling displays?
I think it was 6824 I saw a couple of nights ago on the 61/63. Scrolling display inbound and alternating display outbound
Quote from: Gareth on June 08, 2025, 04:44:40 PMI think it was 6824 I saw a couple of nights ago on the 61/63. Scrolling display inbound and alternating display outbound
I know that the 63 inbound scrolls on the platinums.
Quote from: hemmy on June 08, 2025, 03:09:10 PMcare to tell us?
The digital displays on London buses if you're trying to photograph them. They look a mess.
Quote from: markcf83 on June 09, 2025, 08:39:08 PMThe digital displays on London buses if you're trying to photograph them. They look a mess.
I have not had a problem with London ones, always seem to come out perfect as per this one
London General EBD19 (https://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LonGen/EBD19.html)
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2025, 08:45:52 PMI have not had a problem with London ones, always seem to come out perfect as per this one
London General EBD19 (https://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LonGen/EBD19.html)
I meant to add at night. During the day they're as you say legible.
Quote from: markcf83 on June 12, 2025, 03:52:13 PMI meant to add at night. During the day they're as you say legible.
I haven't been in London in the dark for ages!
Quote from: markcf83 on June 12, 2025, 03:52:13 PMI meant to add at night. During the day they're as you say legible.
I thought destination displays would usually come out better during the night...
Quote from: frostjay974 on June 12, 2025, 04:18:57 PMI thought destination displays would usually come out better during the night...
Displays have different settings for night and day. The reason you see some normal LEDs looking faint is the light sensor thinks it's dark so puts the Displays on night setting
Just seen an X20, think it was 7514 where it now just says X20 Bromsgrove on the front display with no via points.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 12, 2025, 05:06:01 PMJust seen an X20, think it was 7514 where it now just says X20 Bromsgrove on the front display with no via points.
one of the blinds for it named:
X20 Bromsgrove fr Northfield
theres one for Birmingham too called:
X20 Birmingham fr Northfield
X10 to gornal from mh
Display said
X10 SERVICE ON DIVERSION
Quote from: frostjay974 on June 12, 2025, 04:18:57 PMI thought destination displays would usually come out better during the night...
The London digital blinds are shocking at night. They're a mess to photograph.
saw this at 12AM today, what does it mean??
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vhVwnrhgNxpJvxNSA
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WFKBY8guz1SnVN7B6
Quote from: hemmy on June 22, 2025, 12:00:06 PMsaw this at 12AM today, what does it mean??
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vhVwnrhgNxpJvxNSA
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WFKBY8guz1SnVN7B6
Looks like an attempt to display 'Master Driver', but failing miserably!
But, as you say, what does it mean?
'Master Drivers' are an accreditation given to drivers at National Express who are recognised for their exemplary driving/safety record/customer service.
The blind does not display properly. Having tinkered with the Hanover software in the past, my guess is the selected font does not have all its letters drawn out in the display editor.
Quote from: CL on June 24, 2025, 01:11:57 PM'Master Drivers' are an accreditation given to drivers at National Express who are recognised for their exemplary driving/safety record/customer service.
The blind does not display properly. Having tinkered with the Hanover software in the past, my guess is the selected font does not have all its letters drawn out in the display editor.
good telematics scores as in not driving 45mph at every opportunity good reviews i presmume
can assume most b'ham drivers dont qualify for this
Quote from: The Transport Youtuber on June 24, 2025, 02:43:26 PMgood telematics scores as in not driving 45mph at every opportunity good reviews i presmume
can assume most b'ham drivers dont qualify for this
Wrong as usual all drivers all garages can qualify for it
Quote from: The Transport Youtuber on June 24, 2025, 02:43:26 PMgood telematics scores as in not driving 45mph at every opportunity good reviews i presmume
can assume most b'ham drivers dont qualify for this
And do you have ANY evidence to substantiate this post? Are you a qualified PCV driver?
Firstly, you'd be hard pressed to hit 20mph "at every opportunity" in most towns/cities in the West Midlands due to traffic and speed limits, and the ability for buses to accelerate at such a rate as to achieve this rapidly (if the bus can achieve 45mph in the first place).
Secondly, you'll find that a good proportion of Birmingham drivers, in fact at all the NX garages, already HAVE qualified for, and have achieved Master Driver status.
You know the old saying...........ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 24, 2025, 07:28:40 PMWrong as usual all drivers all garages can qualify for it
"most"
Quote from: Wumpty on June 25, 2025, 10:14:08 AMAnd do you have ANY evidence to substantiate this post? Are you a qualified PCV driver?
Firstly, you'd be hard pressed to hit 20mph "at every opportunity" in most towns/cities in the West Midlands due to traffic and speed limits, and the ability for buses to accelerate at such a rate as to achieve this rapidly (if the bus can achieve 45mph in the first place).
Secondly, you'll find that a good proportion of Birmingham drivers, in fact at all the NX garages, already HAVE qualified for, and have achieved Master Driver status.
You know the old saying...........ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME.
take a ride on any bus out of birmingham city centre and there is your evidence
Quote from: The Transport Youtuber on June 25, 2025, 05:24:10 PMtake a ride on any bus out of birmingham city centre and there is your evidence
You can easily spot a master driver by their uniform, providing they wish to wear it in full. And I've seen plenty on my local routes out of Birmingham.
Anyway, this topic is for bus destination displays.
Quote from: The Transport Youtuber on June 25, 2025, 05:24:10 PMtake a ride on any bus out of birmingham city centre and there is your evidence
ANY bus???? I don't think you thought this through very well.
I regularly use the bus to go into Birmingham City Centre - X51 - and very rarely can they hit 45mph.
As you've failed to provide any evidence yourself to substantiate, and then deflect to others who have asked a legitimate question about your post, I'll take it as another baseless attempt to defame qualified PCV drivers.
***EDIT @ 13.13hrs: a quick check of the roads on X51 and around Birmingham City Centre have a maximum speed limit of 40mph, 5mph less that the speeds you claim to have as evidence. If they are doing more than the prescribed speed limits, I'm sure the garage teams will be spending more time dealing with Trafficlog infringements than doing anything else!***
Quote from: Gareth on June 26, 2025, 12:00:13 AMYou can easily spot a master driver by their uniform, providing they wish to wear it in full. And I've seen plenty on my local routes out of Birmingham.
Anyway, this topic is for bus destination displays.
Though still a valid point
@Gareth - as for the actual post about the Master Driver display, I can see how difficult it can be to programme Hanover displays having done it last year for my niece's wedding (we hired a bus from Midland Link and gave them the USB for it - very professional they were too....the bus company, that is!!!).
Much of it was trial and error, trying to get the right font sizing and spacing, though I did freehand some of it, so completely sympathise with whoever has to do this full time!