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Title: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Stu on December 06, 2021, 08:24:16 PM
I think it would be hard to beat the 27S school service from Kings Heath Boys School to Kings Heath.

https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/27s-kings-heath-boys-school-kings-heath

Has a running time of 8 minutes and serves five stops.

Seems quite pointless really, as the 27 and 76 already go to Kings Heath high street, and most of its stops must be within walking distance of the school.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: BK63 YWP on December 06, 2021, 08:39:18 PM
PNs 10A/C ?
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Steveminor on December 06, 2021, 08:49:35 PM
Service 75 short workings between international station and the business park round trip of 15 minutes
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: the trainbasher on December 06, 2021, 11:03:38 PM
Could Wolves Council 500 count?
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: danny on December 07, 2021, 07:54:51 PM
WB 46 Pretty short for am end to end route
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Jack on December 07, 2021, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: danny on December 07, 2021, 07:54:51 PM
WB 46 Pretty short for am end to end route
30 mins end to end = 1 hour round trip.
WB 44 is very short in comparison!
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: I love Walsall buses on December 07, 2021, 11:11:44 PM
If you count the 29 route from Walsall - Blakenall thats only around 10-12 minutes
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Raedwald on December 08, 2021, 01:02:18 AM
The WN11's a fairly short round trip, especially if it's turned short at the Scotlands when the cherubs are out and about
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Wumpty on December 08, 2021, 06:37:18 AM
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on December 07, 2021, 11:11:44 PM
If you count the 29 route from Walsall - Blakenall thats only around 10-12 minutes
Walsall Community Transport's 26 service is on par with this too.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Ginger66 on December 08, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
was the 'birmingham hopper bus' not sure the route number but it operated between Snow Hill to markets via new street the shortest route
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: MW on December 08, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
Quote from: Ginger66 on December 08, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
was the 'birmingham hopper bus' not sure the route number but it operated between Snow Hill to markets via new street the shortest route

Stationlink?

https://flic.kr/p/jk9iV
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: DJ on December 08, 2021, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: Ginger66 on December 08, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
was the 'birmingham hopper bus' not sure the route number but it operated between Snow Hill to markets via new street the shortest route

I'm not sure if it had a number, but it was branded as 'Stationlink' when ran with the Solos, I think Zak's operated it at one point. I also recall TWM and later Pete's running a 77 service in the early 2000s that had a similar role.

It wouldn't work nowadays, with the Metro (when it's running) linking Snow Hill and New Street, and the Eastside extension also serving Curzon Street, along with a lot of the roads it would've used being pedestrianised or used for the Metro.

Another contender for the shortest route, if you can count it, would be the one Banga ran to replace the Stourbridge Town branch line, but I guess a rail replacement service doesn't count.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: danny on December 16, 2021, 06:32:27 PM
It's interesting as our perceptions of what is deemed as a short route are all different.... are we talking miles, or time taken to transverse the route...
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: PB2938 on February 01, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
WA

70A 30 minutes round trip

36 30 minute round trip

7E Aldridge 40 Minute round trip
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Tony on February 01, 2022, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: PB2938 on February 01, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
WA

70A 30 minutes round trip

36 30 minute round trip

7E Aldridge 40 Minute round trip

Walsall's shortes route was the 999
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: I love Walsall buses on February 01, 2022, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2022, 08:59:48 PM
Walsall's shortes route was the 999

WA 29 around 25 mins round trip

For reference what was the 999 route
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Westy on February 01, 2022, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on February 01, 2022, 09:11:57 PM
WA 29 around 25 mins round trip

For reference what was the 999 route

Walsall to Manor Hospital only.

Later renumbered 350 & interworked with the 351, which, if you looked at the back of the bus & maybe the side as well, the 1 & 0 were angled, so it was neither one or the other!

Not the only interworked route that did this!

Obviously faded away with the roller blinds!
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: I love Walsall buses on February 01, 2022, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Westy on February 01, 2022, 09:22:22 PM
Walsall to Manor Hospital only.

Later renumbered 350 & interworked with the 351, which, if you looked at the back of the bus & maybe the side as well, the 1 & 0 were angled, so it was neither one or the other!

Not the only interworked route that did this!

Obviously faded away with the roller blinds!
Thanks for that i remember a 991 with i think Midland but never knew about the 999 so appreciate that
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: karl724223 on February 02, 2022, 10:22:10 AM
Pensnett 10A/10C. 25 min run each way out five hours a day Monday to Friday only
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Jack on February 02, 2022, 11:19:10 AM
The 628 which briefly replaced the 28A between Perry Beeches/Old Oscott to Perry Barr One Stop between 2010 and 2011 was very short. Didn't run for long pretty sure it was a 30 minute round trip.

Another one was the 425 which was Scott Arms to Hamstead if I remember correctly, no longer than 20 minutes each way.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: DJ on February 02, 2022, 12:24:18 PM
I'm not sure what the exact timings were, but I reckon the 1X that Banga ran to replace the Stourbridge Shuttle would've been a contender.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Jack on February 02, 2022, 12:48:26 PM
Quote from: DJ on February 02, 2022, 12:24:18 PM
I'm not sure what the exact timings were, but I reckon the 1X that Banga ran to replace the Stourbridge Shuttle would've been a contender.
Does Wolverhampton still have the 500 (Market Bus) running, that isn't long at all...
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Wumpty on February 02, 2022, 02:06:58 PM
Quote from: Jack on February 02, 2022, 12:48:26 PM
Does Wolverhampton still have the 500 (Market Bus) running, that isn't long at all...
Alas not.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: the trainbasher on February 02, 2022, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: Wumpty on February 02, 2022, 02:06:58 PM
Alas not.

I thought the City Council ran it directly with the yellow solos?
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: 2206 on February 02, 2022, 05:49:25 PM
I think A1/A2 do a full round tirp of both in an hour, half an hour each. Using 1 mellor minibus between them.

Another short one I think is 5 Tamworth - Kerria, in Staffordshire though.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Ginger66 on February 02, 2022, 06:10:07 PM
was the showground bus from west bromwich to sandwell valley the 400 this was a short route as it was a drop and pick up at the valley.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Westy on February 02, 2022, 09:28:01 PM
What about the old Brum Centrebus?

(And while I'm at it, the short lived Walsall one!)
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: BrumKev86 on February 02, 2022, 09:28:51 PM
S16 Claribel Yardley Swan Shopping Centre to Solihull via Lyndon is only 25 mins each way
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Sandy Lane on February 02, 2022, 09:31:34 PM
Way back in time Coventry there was a Pool Meadow - Broadgate - Station route. About 1 mile and ran every 10 mins.  Could be done sometimes in 7 mins. PVR of 2.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: sonic84 on February 03, 2022, 12:18:07 AM
Back in the days of Ludlows, the 006 was around a 20-25 round trip from Halesowen to the Squirrels Estate.

The old 609 evening service between Halesowen and Hayleu Green was only 20 minute round trip.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Wumpty on February 03, 2022, 07:41:03 AM
Walsall Illuminations Shuttle (Arboretum Extension to Lichfield Street entrance) a contender. 
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: DJ on February 03, 2022, 08:24:46 AM
Does the ride through the bus wash at the Pensnett open day count? ;D
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Wumpty on February 03, 2022, 08:52:38 AM
Quote from: DJ on February 03, 2022, 08:24:46 AM
Does the ride through the bus wash at the Pensnett open day count? ;D
@DJ wins - thread closed ;D
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Mike K on February 03, 2022, 11:28:19 AM
The old 15 route, Harborne to Quinton Road West via Tennal Road was a short one for a Birmingham route at least, taking only 13 minutes from terminus to terminus. Interworked with the 10.

Later renumbered 20 and underwent a number of changes over the years.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: paulb1973 on February 03, 2022, 04:07:24 PM
Quote from: Sandy Lane on February 02, 2022, 09:31:34 PM
Way back in time Coventry there was a Pool Meadow - Broadgate - Station route. About 1 mile and ran every 10 mins.  Could be done sometimes in 7 mins. PVR of 2.

That was the 25 (which was replaced by the 17/27 in April 1985). But WMPTE did run the 11 City, Pool Meadow - Whoberley (Brookside Ave) which was quite short, but perhaps not as short as the 18E City - Earlsdon (Beechwood Ave) which existed in the mid and late 80s.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Sandy Lane on February 03, 2022, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 03, 2022, 04:07:24 PM
That was the 25 (which was replaced by the 17/27 in April 1985). But WMPTE did run the 11 City, Pool Meadow - Whoberley (Brookside Ave) which was quite short, but perhaps not as short as the 18E City - Earlsdon (Beechwood Ave) which existed in the mid and late 80s.
Yep, that was it the 25. Single deck Bristols. Some were dual doors I think
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: 37351ml on February 03, 2022, 07:53:59 PM
A contender must be the wb 777, became aware of it in the mid 80s always worked by a leyland national, ran from Bowstoke road departing 08.46 arriving hamstead junior school 08.51. There were 2 return journeys in the afternoon @ 15.20 & 16.05.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Stu on February 03, 2022, 08:11:01 PM
Quote from: 37351ml on February 03, 2022, 07:53:59 PM
A contender must be the wb 777, became aware of it in the mid 80s always worked by a leyland national, ran from Bowstoke road departing 08.46 arriving hamstead junior school 08.51. There were 2 return journeys in the afternoon @ 15.20 & 16.05.

Well that certainly beats my example of the 27S given in the opening post!

And it does make you wonder "what was the point of this?"

There could have been any number of reasons of course, but a bus route with a running time of just five minutes, could probably be walked in about 15 to 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: sonic84 on February 03, 2022, 08:14:18 PM
That reminds me of the old 73 / 737 Birmingham International Station to Birmingham Business Park which was also a very short quick route. 20 mins round trip maybe?
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: don on February 03, 2022, 11:57:37 PM
Some of the Birmingham City Transport 'feeder routes' introduced in the mid 60s - examples are:-

35 - Kings Heath - Brandwood Park Road (a very small part of the now extensive 35 route). Originally run by Leyland PS2 fitted for one person operation (one, 2252, was even fitted out with Fleetline style seats and roof panelling). Also run by single deck Fleetlines 3473/4 (from Yardley Wood).

26 - Bromford Bridge Estate to Drews Lane - run by a range of stock from Washwood Heath Garage including Leyland Olympics, single deck Fleetlines, 35xx Met Cammell Fleetlines - and successively by new 3879/80; new 4171-74; new 6571-5; new 6866-70. Became a much longer route in its own right.

46 - Queslett Road to Boars Head - eventually extended to City Centre, and the first one person operated route to the city centre (single deck Fleetlines)
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: BBS on February 04, 2022, 12:20:34 AM
I mean In general the 101 is quite short
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: 2206 on February 04, 2022, 12:39:23 AM
Was there a park and ride shuttle from Solihull Town Centre to the Car Park on Monkspath Hall Rd by Tudor Grange Park as there is a bus stop in the middle of the car park?
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Jack on February 04, 2022, 12:44:07 AM
Quote from: bbs on February 04, 2022, 12:20:34 AM
I mean In general the 101 is quite short
The 65 is too. BC 25 as well.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: the trainbasher on February 04, 2022, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: 2206 on February 04, 2022, 12:39:23 AM
Was there a park and ride shuttle from Solihull Town Centre to the Car Park on Monkspath Hall Rd by Tudor Grange Park as there is a bus stop in the middle of the car park?


Yes there was iirc
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Justin Tyme on February 04, 2022, 10:18:21 AM
Quote from: 2206 on February 04, 2022, 12:39:23 AM
Was there a park and ride shuttle from Solihull Town Centre to the Car Park on Monkspath Hall Rd by Tudor Grange Park as there is a bus stop in the middle of the car park?

Yes, there was! Not sure if fares were charged though.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Mike K on February 04, 2022, 01:59:32 PM
Quote from: 2206 on February 04, 2022, 12:39:23 AM
Was there a park and ride shuttle from Solihull Town Centre to the Car Park on Monkspath Hall Rd by Tudor Grange Park as there is a bus stop in the middle of the car park?

Yes. That route was introduced whilst Touchwood was being built as a lot of the car parking in Solihull behind the High Street was demolished to make way for the new site. I worked in Solihull at the time and my employer provided alternative parking arrangements at Monkspath Hall. I used the route, and at that time it was free and was operated by Zak's, using Mercedes Varios.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: MasterPlan on February 04, 2022, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Jack on February 04, 2022, 12:44:07 AM
The 65 is too. BC 25 as well.

The BC 25 is never-ending  ;)
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: mesub on February 04, 2022, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 04, 2022, 04:12:20 PM
The BC 25 is never-ending  ;)

Until the short working to the QE! ;D
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: PB2938 on February 04, 2022, 09:17:13 PM
Around 2000 Birmingham Centrebus 77- 20 minute round trip
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Jack D on February 04, 2022, 10:17:35 PM
PB38 was quite short when it what a thing.
Title: Re: Shortest bus route in the West Midlands?
Post by: Kevin on February 06, 2022, 11:46:43 AM
The new 31 in Cov probably also a contender now, only like 25 min round trip