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Title: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on January 05, 2021, 10:28:20 AM
Graysons (Euro 6) - 1833, 1899, 1905, 4778, 4779, 7026
Hartshornes (Engine) - 2009, 4475, 4499, 5509, 5517, 5518 + 1781 (brake conversion)
MAN (Engine) - 1870
Plaxtons (RTC repairs) - 6811
Keltruck (engine) - 1934

Paint - 119L, 733, 862, 1777, 1778, 1783, 1786, 2064, 3035, 3997, 4935
BC (ticket machine) - 5409
BY - 257, 258, 259, 260, 261
PB (bodywork) - 1799, 5503
WN (repair/store) 3302, 3304, 3305, 6102
Dundee - 1776, 1782, 2246
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on January 05, 2021, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2021, 10:28:20 AM
Graysons (Euro 6) - 1833, 1899, 1905, 4778, 4779, 7026
Hartshornes (Engine) - 2009, 4475, 4499, 5509, 5517, 5518 + 1781 (brake conversion)
MAN (Engine) - 1870
Plaxtons (RTC repairs) - 6811
Keltruck (engine) - 1934

Paint - 119L, 733, 862, 1777, 1778, 1783, 1786, 2064, 3035, 3997, 4935
BC (ticket machine) - 5409
BY - 257, 258, 259, 260, 261
PB (bodywork) - 1799, 5503
WN (repair/store) 3302, 3304, 3305, 6102
Dundee - 1776, 1782, 2246

Since I posted this 4778 and 4779 have returned from Graysons, now Euro 6, 4780 has gone to Graysons, and 1808 has gone into paint
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: markcf83 on January 07, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
I assume 2064 has been in the wars then......
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: don on January 09, 2021, 03:26:30 PM
Quote from: markcf83 on January 07, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
I assume 2064 has been in the wars then......

I also wondered this or whether it's a typo for 2094 (although two Pensnett vehicles in at once would be a little shocking!!!)
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on January 09, 2021, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: markcf83 on January 07, 2021, 05:17:47 PM
I assume 2064 has been in the wars then......

Yes, was there for replacement panel painting
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BH2004 on January 09, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
Quote from: don on January 09, 2021, 03:26:30 PM
I also wondered this or whether it's a typo for 2094 (although two Pensnett vehicles in at once would be a little shocking!!!)

2094 has already been pained into crimson
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on January 11, 2021, 11:45:35 AM

Graysons - 4483, 4780, 4852, 7026
Hartshornes - 1781, 2009, 2100, 2147, 4475, 4499, 4501, 5502, 5509, 5517
MAN - 1870
Plaxtons - 6811
Keltruck - 1934
Alexander Dennis, Scarborough - E025

Paint - 119L, 733, 862, 1783, 1786, 1808, 1809, 3035, 3997, 4935, 6102
BY - 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262
PB -  1757, 1799, 5503, 7533
WN - 3302, 3304, 3305
Dundee - 1776, 1782, 2246
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: 4679 on January 16, 2021, 07:24:45 PM
Noticed 1928 at Powertrain in Willenhall this afternoon
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: 4369Beast on January 27, 2021, 09:13:08 AM
Noted at Hartshornes this morning was 2097, 2127, a B5LH (Probably 5509) and a Nation Express Levante.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on January 27, 2021, 12:00:04 PM

Graysons - 435, 1837, 1933, 4779, 4934, 5409, 5414
Hartshornes - 1784, 2024, 2097, 2127, 2147, 4475, 4501, 5502, 5517
MAN - 1870
Plaxtons - 6811
Keltruck - 1934
Powertrain - 822
Cummins, Darlington - 6945

Paint - 119L, 733, 734, 862, 1783, 1808, 1809, 3035, 3997, 4771, 4935, 6115
BY - 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262
PB -  1757, 4622, 4656, 5503, 6146
WN - 3302, 3303, 3304, 3305, 4331
Dundee - 1776, 1782, 2246
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: 4369Beast on January 28, 2021, 09:42:24 AM
Thanks Tony.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Solo1 on January 28, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
how come the coaches are still at bordsley for the school services when Bordsley head office has moved to Digbeth thought it then going to be for  warehouse for a supermarket
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on January 28, 2021, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 28, 2021, 09:49:01 AM
how come the coaches are still at bordsley for the school services when Bordsley head office has moved to Digbeth thought it then going to be for  warehouse for a supermarket

They are not there for school services as you very well know as you have seen my Facebook posts about them, and BY is still Head Office hence why that address is on the side of every vehicle you saw when you were out riding around
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: paulb1973 on January 28, 2021, 06:00:02 PM
Is 4771 a full repaint (this one is already in the two-tone blue) or just a tidy-up etc.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on February 10, 2021, 03:10:06 PM

Graysons - 4153, 4688, 4777, 4932, 4934, 5409, 5430
Hartshornes - 1777, 2097, 2139, 4501, 5502, 5509, 5517
MAN - 1870
Plaxtons - 6811
Keltruck - 1934
Cummins, Darlington - 6945

Paint - 119L, 733, 734, 862, 1782, 1783, 1808, 1809, 2095, 3035, 3997, 4935, 6115
BC - 768, 4545
BY - 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262
PB -  2211, 4656, 5503
WN - 841, 3302, 3303, 3304, 3305, 4761
Dundee - 1776, 2246
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2021, 03:44:46 PM
@Tony, what are the future plans for 3301 - 5 if you can say?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on February 11, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2021, 03:44:46 PM
@Tony, what are the future plans for 3301 - 5 if you can say?

Once a parts contract can be agreed with the new Wrights they will come back into service
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BH2004 on February 11, 2021, 04:24:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 11, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
Once a parts contract can be agreed with the new Wrights they will come back into service
do you think they stay at PN or Go into service at WN as that's where 3302 - 3305 are at the moment
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BH2004 on February 12, 2021, 11:18:40 AM
Looks like 3301 is joining 3302 - 3305 today at WN. 3301 seen Not in Service going through Warstones
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BK63 YWP on February 12, 2021, 01:49:11 PM
Quote from: BH2004 on February 12, 2021, 11:18:40 AM
Looks like 3301 is joining 3302 - 3305 today at WN. 3301 seen Not in Service going through Warstones

Could be going for a MOT... The streetdecks are only at wolves as storage, they are going back to PN
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BN on February 12, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 12, 2021, 01:49:11 PM
Could be going for a MOT... The streetdecks are only at wolves as storage, they are going back to PN
Are they? No-one told me that?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BK63 YWP on February 12, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: BN on February 12, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
Are they? No-one told me that?

I thought that was the plan for them but things change I know, I stand corrected
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on March 16, 2021, 01:18:35 PM

Graysons - 4853, 4971, 5429, 5430
Hartshornes - 1785, 4290, 4416, 4501, 4502, 5502, 5517
MAN - 1870
Plaxtons - 6811
Trailways - 6931

Paint - 119L, 733, 734, 862, 1783, 1789, 1808, 1809, 2095, 3035, 3302, 3997, 4902, 4935
BC - 4600
MS - 1815, 4276
PB -  5503
PN - 3304, 4327
WN - 4852
NEAT, Aston 257, 258, 260, 261, 262
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: don on March 16, 2021, 08:13:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2021, 03:10:06 PM
Graysons - 4853, 4971, 5429, 5430
Hartshornes - 1785, 4290, 4416, 4501, 4502, 5502, 5517
MAN - 1870
Plaxtons - 6811
Trailways - 6931

Paint - 119L, 733, 734, 862, 1783, 1789, 1808, 1809, 2095, 3035, 3302, 3997, 4902, 4935
BC - 4600
MS - 1815, 4276
PB -  5503
PN - 3304, 4327
WN - 4852
NEAT, Aston 257, 258, 260, 261, 262

Hi Tony, I've noticed things seem to have come to an apparent standstill on the paint shop front - is that lockdown related or something else?

Interesting that some of the vehicles at Graysons sometimes show up on the Bustimes.org website map.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on March 16, 2021, 08:22:46 PM
Quote from: don on March 16, 2021, 08:13:24 PM
Hi Tony, I've noticed things seem to have come to an apparent standstill on the paint shop front - is that lockdown related or something else?

Interesting that some of the vehicles at Graysons sometimes show up on the Bustimes.org website map.

The lift in the spray booth is broken, so at the moment they can only do accident repairs as they are generally in the lower part where the painters can reach without the lift.

There is currently 9 buses in the queue fully refurbished, just waiting for a coat of paint
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BH2004 on March 16, 2021, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2021, 08:22:46 PM
The lift in the spray booth is broken, so at the moment they can only do accident repairs


I wondered why 4935 has been waiting for s repaint for nearly 2 months
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: markcf83 on March 17, 2021, 12:52:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2021, 08:22:46 PM
The lift in the spray booth is broken, so at the moment they can only do accident repairs as they are generally in the lower part where the painters can reach without the lift.

There is currently 9 buses in the queue fully refurbished, just waiting for a coat of paint

Broken again.....not good.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on April 12, 2021, 01:42:17 PM

Graysons - 1932, 5422, 5424
Hartshornes - 4502, 4665, 5503, 5507, 5512, 5517
MAN - 1870
Plaxtons - 6924
Trailways - 6102
Keltruck - 262, 263, 1896

Paint - 119L, 733, 734, 862, 1783, 1789, 1808, 1809, 2095, 3035, 3302, 3997, 4902, 4935
BC - 4566, 4674
PB -  5502
WB - 4544
WN - 4852
NEAT, Aston 258, 259, 260, 261,
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: cris 99 on April 12, 2021, 04:21:10 PM
I did see a coventry E400 by the swan yardley this morning heading towards Graysons i presume its been returned now could ID it im afraid
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BH2004 on April 12, 2021, 05:02:47 PM
4902 and 4935 are tracking in Worksop at Plaxtons
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BBS on April 12, 2021, 11:28:14 PM
Seems like 4674 is tracking at Birmingham Central depot
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on April 13, 2021, 06:08:46 AM
Quote from: bbs on April 12, 2021, 11:28:14 PM
Seems like 4674 is tracking at Birmingham Central depot

Well it will do when I have just posted it is in BC garage above.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: busboy31 on April 15, 2021, 08:37:40 AM
Isn't 6924 back at Pensnett?... it seems it isn't tracking on bustimes
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: cris 99 on April 15, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
i doubt its back Tony dropped it at Anstons last week when collecting 6811
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: 4369Beast on April 23, 2021, 02:48:27 PM
4579 look's like it's at powertrain in Willenhall today and also 5507 was at Hartshornes yesterday.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on April 23, 2021, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: 4369Beast on April 23, 2021, 02:48:27 PM
4579 look's like it's at powertrain in Willenhall today and also 5507 was at Hartshornes yesterday.

See my last full list, 5507 had been at Hartshornes for ages, but you posting is a bit late as it is back at BC today.

6924 now back at PN as well
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: 4369Beast on April 23, 2021, 03:31:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2021, 03:17:05 PM
See my last full list, 5507 had been at Hartshornes for ages, but you posting is a bit late as it is back at BC today.

6924 now back at PN as well


Okay thanks Tony, i take it 4579 is indeed at powertrain for some sort of repairs.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: bususer28 on April 23, 2021, 10:23:38 PM
4810 on the 18 (YW) today

See vehicles on loan thread, YW currently have 5 buses on loan
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on June 07, 2021, 11:38:06 AM

Graysons - 4759, 4894, 4907, 5507
Hartshornes - 2004, 2111, 2115, 4501, 5506
Trailways - 732
Keltruck - 1918, 1929, 7025
Potts Engines, Manchester 4572

Paint - 119L, 754, 860, 1823, 1824, 2099, 2101, 2103, 2105, 3035, 3997,
BC - 2246
MS - 4279
WN - 2231
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on June 15, 2021, 08:57:28 PM
long time dead 5403 has gone to EYMS for conversion to straight diesel
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on June 29, 2021, 12:57:08 PM

Graysons - 830, 4688, 4983
Hartshornes - 2016, 2138, 4695, 5506
Keltruck - 1929
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Plaxtons - E013

Paint - 754, 834, 837, 860, 1823, 1824, 2106. 2111
AG - 1923, 4587
PB - 2216, 4899
WN - 2231, 4586
WB - 4463

Loans for service
YW - 4322, 4365, 4809, 6117
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BK63 YWP on June 29, 2021, 07:36:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2021, 12:57:08 PM
Graysons - 830, 4688, 4983
Hartshornes - 2016, 2138, 4695, 5506
Keltruck - 1929
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Plaxtons - E013

Paint - 754, 834, 837, 860, 1823, 1824, 2106. 2111
AG - 1923, 4587
PB - 2216, 4899
WN - 2231, 4586
WB - 4463

Loans for service
YW - 4322, 4365, 4809, 6117

Is 5405 getting the straight diesel treatment too?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: MW on July 06, 2021, 05:42:58 PM
An Enviro 200 was patrolling Warwick Road earlier in Tyseley. I think it was 822. Probably something related to Graysons..?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on July 06, 2021, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: MW on July 06, 2021, 05:42:58 PM
An Enviro 200 was patrolling Warwick Road earlier in Tyseley. I think it was 822. Probably something related to Graysons..?

Graysons do the regular servicing on all the Euro6 exhaust systems, so every Euro 6 older than 2015 will be visitors there.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Stu on July 06, 2021, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: MW on July 06, 2021, 05:42:58 PM
An Enviro 200 was patrolling Warwick Road earlier in Tyseley. I think it was 822. Probably something related to Graysons..?

Looks like it, popped into PB on the way, its current location is where Graysons is:
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278767?date=2021-07-06#journeys/146335979
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on July 13, 2021, 03:04:51 PM

Graysons - 2001, 4688, 4801, 4869
Hartshornes - 2008, 2059, 2138, 4502, 5506
Keltruck - 1929, 7026
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Plaxtons - E013
Powertrain - 4449, 4548
Trailways - 4426
Potts, Manchester - 4572

Paint - E011, 834, 837, 855, 1823, 2106, 2111
AG - 1920, 4587
PB - 2216, 6939
WN - 2231, 4586
WB - 4460

Loans for service
YW - 4322, 4365, 6117
BC for cricket - 4799. 4805, 4806, 4990, 6104, 6105, 6711, 6759, 6795, 6989, 6991
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Jack D on July 13, 2021, 04:38:53 PM
Why is E011 in paint?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BK63 YWP on July 13, 2021, 05:15:57 PM
Quote from: Jack D on July 13, 2021, 04:38:53 PM
Why is E011 in paint?

Repaint some panels
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Stu on July 13, 2021, 06:50:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2021, 03:04:51 PM
Loans for service
YW - 4322, 4365, 6117

Looks like 6117 was back at AG today, managed a couple of trips on the 4A, then must have been taken ill as I saw it on the back of an RS truck around 17:40 on Stratford Road in Sparkbrook.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: busboy31 on August 04, 2021, 04:35:37 PM
4817 has been taken to be converted at Graysons.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BNH2004 on August 04, 2021, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: busboy31 on August 04, 2021, 04:35:37 PM
4817 has been taken to be converted at Graysons.
Converted?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on August 04, 2021, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: busboy31 on August 04, 2021, 04:35:37 PM
4817 has been taken to be converted at Graysons.

It was 'converted' to Euro 6 a couple of years ago, ut all buses go back for servicing of the exhaust system occasionally
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: busboy31 on August 04, 2021, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2021, 05:43:02 PM
It was 'converted' to Euro 6 a couple of years ago, ut all buses go back for servicing of the exhaust system occasionally
Oh, okay.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on August 06, 2021, 11:44:37 AM
Graysons - 2083, 4468, 4817, 4868, 4907
Hartshornes - 1783, 2001, 2013, 2059, 2138, 4502, 4695, 5506
Keltruck - 7026
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Plaxtons - E013
Powertrain - 1751, 4523
Trailways - 4427
Potts, Manchester - 4572

Paint - 757, 835, 836, 839, 865, 855, 1797, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2146, 2216, 4872, 7535
WN - 2231
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on August 24, 2021, 12:43:26 PM
Graysons - 841, 1865, 4861, 4743, 4907, 4945, 5415, 5417
Hartshornes - 1762, 1783, 2001, 2027, 2059, 2113, 4502, 4695, 5501, 5516
Keltruck - 1852, 1916, 7026
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Plaxtons - E013
Powertrain - 1876
Trailways - 4539

Paint - 757, 865, 866, 867, 1797, 1833, 119L, 3035, 3997
CV - 4905
PB - 732, 1799, 2146, 7535
WA - 6927
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on August 24, 2021, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2021, 12:43:26 PM
Graysons - 841, 1865, 4861, 4743, 4907, 4945, 5415, 5417
Hartshornes - 1762, 1783, 2001, 2027, 2059, 2113, 4502, 4695, 5501, 5516
Keltruck - 1852, 1916, 7026
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Plaxtons - E013
Powertrain - 1876
Trailways - 4539

Paint - 757, 865, 866, 867, 1797, 1833, 119L, 3035, 3997
CV - 4905
PB - 732, 1799, 2146, 7535
WA - 6927

@Tony when will 4905 be ready for service? There's a couple of Pride events shortly that NXWM are booked at - be great to see it back in action.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on August 24, 2021, 04:19:49 PM
Quote from: Wumpty on August 24, 2021, 02:19:10 PM
@Tony when will 4905 be ready for service? There's a couple of Pride events shortly that NXWM are booked at - be great to see it back in action.

It is ready for service, it was out at the pride event last Sunday,  and should be again next weekend.  That's the reason it's at Coventry
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BNH2004 on August 24, 2021, 06:40:58 PM
Do anyone know when 5403 and 5405 are due back from their diesel conversion
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on August 24, 2021, 06:41:29 PM
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 24, 2021, 06:40:58 PM
Do anyone know when 5403 and 5405 are due back from their diesel conversion

No
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: mranon on August 25, 2021, 08:17:57 AM
will 5403/5 be converted with their existing engines like 5402/12 or will it receive the bigger lump that 5409 had.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on August 25, 2021, 08:32:03 AM
Quote from: mranon on August 25, 2021, 08:17:57 AM
will 5403/5 be converted with their existing engines like 5402/12 or will it receive the bigger lump that 5409 had.

keeping the same engines
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on September 13, 2021, 01:39:11 PM

Graysons - 1857, 1865, 2007, 2111, 2148, 4743, 4907, 7028
Hartshornes - 4502, 4670, 4695, 5511, 5516
Keltruck - 1928, 7030
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Plaxtons - E013

Paint - 761, 861, 865, 867, 1833, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2146, 4500, 6707
WA - 6927
AG - loan for service - 4484
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: CL on September 14, 2021, 01:07:43 PM
1856 currently at PB also
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2021, 12:19:12 PM
Graysons - 733, 806, 850, 1913, 4722, 4743, 4884
Hartshornes - 2066, 2073, 4274, 4502, 4670, 4695, 5516
Keltruck - 1928, 7030
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Powertrain - 4879

Paint - 759, 861, 869, 870, 1795, 1833, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 6707, 6944
WA - 1920, 6927
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BBS on September 29, 2021, 03:32:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2021, 12:19:12 PM
Graysons - 733, 806, 850, 1913, 4722, 4743, 4884
Hartshornes - 2066, 2073, 4274, 4502, 4670, 4695, 5516
Keltruck - 1928, 7030
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Powertrain - 4879

Paint - 759, 861, 869, 870, 1796, 1833, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 6707, 6944
WA - 1920, 6927
i just saw 1796 on 1
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BNH2004 on September 29, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2021, 12:19:12 PM
Graysons - 733, 806, 850, 1913, 4722, 4743, 4884
Hartshornes - 2066, 2073, 4274, 4502, 4670, 4695, 5516
Keltruck - 1928, 7030
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Powertrain - 4879

Paint - 759, 861, 869, 870, 1796, 1833, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 6707, 6944
WA - 1920, 6927

Saw 850 on the 2 this afternoon
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2021, 04:03:59 PM
Quote from: BNH2004 on September 29, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Saw 850 on the 2 this afternoon

Yes, returned from Graysons and swapped for 5421 to have its exhaust service
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: don on September 29, 2021, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: bbs on September 29, 2021, 03:32:52 PM
i just saw 1796 on 1

It still seems to be tracking on the 1 - could the bus in paint possibly be 1795?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
Quote from: don on September 29, 2021, 05:51:18 PM
It still seems to be tracking on the 1 - could the bus in paint possibly be 1795?

Yes, that one was a typo
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: don on September 29, 2021, 06:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
Yes, that one was a typo

Thanks Tony
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: wulfrun on September 30, 2021, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2021, 04:03:59 PM
Yes, returned from Graysons and swapped for 5421 to have its exhaust service

Tony, on 9th Sep you said
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2021, 02:48:05 PMThe last Hybrid, 5421, returned from Euro 6 conversion today.

20 days have now passed, 5421 has been in service, now you mention the bus has gone to Grayson for exhaust service.

The UK Gov Clean Air Zone Vehicle Checker, states this bus is not registered as Euro 6 compliant.

Was 5421 Euro 6 compliant on 9th Sept, when returned back to PL?
Is the UK Gov CAZ Vehicle Checker incorrect?

In the WA Garage board you listed the NX Buses that have been upgraded to Euro 6 emission standards, which included the following Enviro 400 Hybrid:
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2021, 05:52:20 PM
...
5401/3-8/13/14/16/18 all others in this range are in process
...

UK Gov CAZ Vehicle Checker  (https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/vehicle_checkers/enter_details) states all Enviro 400 Hybrids are Euro 6 compliant - with exception of the following:
5402 BX 61 LHD (@ Hartshornes)
5409 BX 61 LHL
5412 BX 13 JOJ
5415 BX 13 JPF
5417 BX 13 JPO
5418 BX 13 JPU
5421 BX 13 JRO

Is this correct?
If not, which of these buses is Euro 6 Compliant, and from what date?

5403, 5405 are listed as CAZ Euro 6 compliant, but are with EYMS. There for a scheduled Exhaust Service?


Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on September 30, 2021, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: wulfrun on September 30, 2021, 12:17:05 AM
Tony, on 9th Sep you said 

20 days have now passed, 5421 has been in service, now you mention the bus has gone to Grayson for exhaust service.

The UK Gov Clean Air Zone Vehicle Checker, states this bus is not registered as Euro 6 compliant.

Was 5421 Euro 6 compliant on 9th Sept, when returned back to PL?
Is the UK Gov CAZ Vehicle Checker incorrect?

In the WA Garage board you listed the NX Buses that have been upgraded to Euro 6 emission standards, which included the following Enviro 400 Hybrid:
UK Gov CAZ Vehicle Checker  (https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/vehicle_checkers/enter_details) states all Enviro 400 Hybrids are Euro 6 compliant - with exception of the following:
5402 BX 61 LHD (@ Hartshornes)
5409 BX 61 LHL
5412 BX 13 JOJ
5415 BX 13 JPF
5417 BX 13 JPO
5418 BX 13 JPU
5421 BX 13 JRO

Is this correct?
If not, which of these buses is Euro 6 Compliant, and from what date?

5403, 5405 are listed as CAZ Euro 6 compliant, but are with EYMS. There for a scheduled Exhaust Service?

All apart from 5402, 5409 and 5412 are done, but CAZ checker hasn't caught up yet
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: wulfrun on September 30, 2021, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2021, 06:35:59 AM
All apart from 5402, 5409 and 5412 are done, but CAZ checker hasn't caught up yet

Thanks Tony.

In regards to allocating buses to Garages, in order to meet AQPS emission compliance targets, where operators must ensure a percentage of their journeys are operated using vehicles with Euro 6 compliant (or better) exhaust systems.

Given...
Solihull AQPS = 100% journeys to be Euro 6 compliant.
Wolverhampton AQPS = 75% Journeys to be Euro 6 compliant.

What is the definition of "an AQPS journey"?

Is it...

(A) Each scheduled Trip working IN/OUT/VIA the AQPS Zone?

Or

(B) Each scheduled journey IN/OUT/VIA the AQPS zone, where a journey is the furthest possible paying a single fare?

Most services operate as single Trip workings in one direction - outbound / inbound - so there is no difference between (A) and (B). But there is, when considering out-and-back-loops like N32,N33,N59, which while operated as single Trip Working, are TWO passenger journeys, given the Trip can not be completed paying a single fare. N59 requires a single fare from w-ton to Ashmore Park, and another single fare from Ashmore Park to w-ton.

With Wolverhampton Bus Station located within the AQPS Zone...

What is the N59 "AQPS Journey" contribution per day (mon-fri)?
(A) = 145 Trip workings ?
OR
(B) = 280 Single Fare Journeys INTO/OUT-OF the AQPS Zone?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: don on September 30, 2021, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2021, 06:35:59 AM
All apart from 5402, 5409 and 5412 are done, but CAZ checker hasn't caught up yet

I seem to recall, at the end of its very extended transplant process, it had gone to Grayson for exhaust treatment also?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on September 30, 2021, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: don on September 30, 2021, 07:51:39 PM
I seem to recall, at the end of its very extended transplant process, it had gone to Grayson for exhaust treatment also?

5409 went to Graysons for them to measure up the fitting of the new exhaust being a unique vehicle, but the specially designed kit hasn't arrived for fitting yet
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: don on September 30, 2021, 08:12:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2021, 07:56:20 PM
5409 went to Graysons for them to measure up the fitting of the new exhaust being a unique vehicle, but the specially designed kit hasn't arrived for fitting yet

Thanks Tony - does the same apply to the other type of EYMS conversions (4 cyl) or has that been sorted for them?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on September 30, 2021, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: don on September 30, 2021, 08:12:32 PM
Thanks Tony - does the same apply to the other type of EYMS conversions (4 cyl) or has that been sorted for them?

5402 & 5412 also need purpose built exhausts.

5403 & 5405 had the new exhausts before going to EYMS, and they are trying to work around them
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: don on September 30, 2021, 10:35:25 PM
Thanks Tony.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on October 11, 2021, 11:55:12 AM
Graysons - 751, 1842, 1911, 2010, 4617, 4722, 4743, 4884
Hartshornes - 1783, 4284, 4670, 5516
EYMS - 5403, 5405

Paint - 759, 801, 859, 869, 1795, 1811, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 6707
WA - 6927
MS - 4515
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BK63 YWP on October 11, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
Is 801 in paint to repaint after accident damage?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on October 11, 2021, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: BK63 YWP on October 11, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
Is 801 in paint to repaint after accident damage?

Pensnetts E200s that were painted first are getting a tidy up to match the latest repaints
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Solo1 on October 13, 2021, 06:35:41 AM
Think 869 PN might be typo as it's out in service painted
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: busboy31 on October 18, 2021, 08:16:41 PM
What happened to 6927??
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: CL on October 19, 2021, 12:38:37 PM
6707 not long left Perry Barr on its way back to Acocks Green
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BBS on October 19, 2021, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: CL on October 19, 2021, 12:38:37 PM
6707 not long left Perry Barr on its way back to Acocks Green
oh what happened to 6707?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on October 27, 2021, 12:30:51 PM
2114 and 5505 at Hartshorne, Pensnett

6103 in Buckinghamshire (Ampthill)
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on October 27, 2021, 12:59:10 PM

Graysons - 2011, 2143, 4605, 4617, 4949, 5511, 7030
Hartshornes, Willenhall - 4284, 4670, 5516
Hartshornes, Pensnett - 2007, 2114, 5505, 5518
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Alexander Dennis, Falkirk - E011
Millbrook vehicle proving ground - 6103
Powertrain, Willenhall - 4745
Keltruck, West Bromwich - 1859

Paint - 759, 802, 803, 1795, 1811, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 4597, 4652
WA - 4799, 6927
WN - 6947
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Michael Bevan on October 29, 2021, 07:31:11 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2021, 12:59:10 PM
Alexander Dennis, Falkirk - E011

E011 is now on display at COP26 in a special ADL Zero Emissions livery.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on October 29, 2021, 07:42:47 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 29, 2021, 07:31:11 AM
E011 is now on display at COP26 in a special ADL Zero Emissions livery.

Yes, On loan to Alexander Dennis for the duration
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Michael Bevan on October 29, 2021, 08:04:15 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2021, 07:42:47 AM
Yes, On loan to Alexander Dennis for the duration

Will it remain in it's special livery when it returns @Tony?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: CL on October 29, 2021, 11:31:43 AM
6968 has arrived at Perry Barr this morning.. Front end not looking too pretty!
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Jack6101 on October 29, 2021, 12:43:38 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 29, 2021, 07:31:11 AM
E011 is now on display at COP26 in a special ADL Zero Emissions livery.
Do you have a link of any photos of it , thanks in advance
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Stu on October 29, 2021, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: Jack6101 on October 29, 2021, 12:43:38 PM
Do you have a link of any photos of it , thanks in advance

See:
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2021/october/adl-invited-by-uk-government-to-show-market-leading-zero-emission-double-deck-bus-in-cop26-blue-zone/
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Jack6101 on October 29, 2021, 02:13:49 PM
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2021, 12:59:54 PM
See:
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2021/october/adl-invited-by-uk-government-to-show-market-leading-zero-emission-double-deck-bus-in-cop26-blue-zone/
Thankyou very much
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: metrocity on November 03, 2021, 09:24:04 PM
4602 and 4949 are being operated out of Meadway Coaches yard it appears
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Stu on November 04, 2021, 07:35:43 AM
Quote from: metrocity on November 03, 2021, 09:24:04 PM
4602 and 4949 are being operated out of Meadway Coaches yard it appears

Both are at Graysons in Tyseley as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: metrocity on November 04, 2021, 01:01:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 04, 2021, 07:35:43 AM
Both are at Graysons in Tyseley as far as I can see.
My eyes must be deceiving me then !
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Stu on November 05, 2021, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: metrocity on November 04, 2021, 01:01:39 PM
My eyes must be deceiving me then !

BusTimes shows both at Graysons for the last week or so. Perhaps the ticketer units have been removed so they can be secretly driven around on test?  ;D
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on November 05, 2021, 03:03:59 PM
 4602 is at Graysons to fix a faulty E-fan, 4949 is at Graysons for exhaust servicing
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on November 09, 2021, 08:19:37 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2021, 12:59:10 PM
Graysons - 2011, 2143, 4605, 4617, 4949, 5511, 7030
Hartshornes, Willenhall - 4284, 4670, 5516
Hartshornes, Pensnett - 2007, 2114, 5505, 5518
EYMS - 5403, 5405
Alexander Dennis, Falkirk - E011
Millbrook vehicle proving ground - 6103
Powertrain, Willenhall - 4745
Keltruck, West Bromwich - 1859

Paint - 759, 802, 803, 1795, 1811, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 4597, 4652
WA - 4799, 6927
WN - 6947

5403 tracking in Scarborough. Is it at Plaxton or EYMS SC garage?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BN on November 09, 2021, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: Wumpty on November 09, 2021, 08:19:37 AM
5403 tracking in Scarborough. Is it at Plaxton or EYMS SC garage?
5403 was on roadtest @ EYMS yesterday.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on November 11, 2021, 07:43:39 AM
4513 showing at Volvo, Pensnett.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on November 16, 2021, 02:42:14 PM
5516 at Volvo Pensnett - moved across from Hartshorne Volvo today.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on November 23, 2021, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: Wumpty on November 16, 2021, 02:42:14 PM
5516 at Volvo Pensnett - moved across from Hartshorne Volvo today.
5516 at Volvo Pensnett today (spotted it as UID but now on Bus Tracker as 5516).

@Tony is this here for the foreseeable or is it making repeat visits?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on November 23, 2021, 12:54:43 PM

Graysons - 2083, 2108, 4610, 4613, 4774, 4808, 5502, E002
Hartshornes, Pensnett - 1782, 4284, 5505, 5514, 5516, 5517, 5518
EYMS, Scarborough- 5405
Alexander Dennis, Anston - 6924
Powertrain, Willenhall - 4801, 4939

Paint - 758, 827, 1796, 1832, 1835, 6110, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 2230, 4393, 6968
BC - H1002, H1012, H1017, H1018
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BK63 YWP on November 23, 2021, 03:36:43 PM
Has the lift been fixed for double deckers to be continued to be painted into crimson?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Stu on November 25, 2021, 06:03:00 PM
Curiously, I observed 802 on the Stratford Road in Sparkbrook this morning, looks like it was on the way to Graysons in Tyseley.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278764?date=2021-11-25#journeys/185984222
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Solo1 on December 08, 2021, 08:20:14 AM
one of the 17 branded scania's seen in walsall yesterday as a  guess heading for repaint
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: cris 99 on December 08, 2021, 04:55:54 PM
1794 leaving 1793 as the last one
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BBS on December 08, 2021, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: cris 99 on December 08, 2021, 04:55:54 PM
1794 leaving 1793 as the last one
AG will only have 1800 , 1802, 1805-6 in red and white
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Jack on December 08, 2021, 11:41:16 PM
Quote from: bbs on December 08, 2021, 10:49:02 PM
AG will only have 1800 , 1802, 1805-6 in red and white
As well as 1798...
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on December 09, 2021, 06:51:02 AM
Quote from: bbs on December 08, 2021, 10:49:02 PM
AG will only have 1800 , 1802, 1805-6 in red and white


1793 is the last 17 branded bus is what he was referring to
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BBS on December 09, 2021, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Jack on December 08, 2021, 11:41:16 PM
As well as 1798...
isnt that in 17 branding or is it just red and white like 1800
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Pat on December 09, 2021, 10:36:59 PM
Quote from: bbs on December 09, 2021, 10:21:59 PM
isnt that in 17 branding or is it just red and white like 1800
1798 is non branded.

Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2021, 06:51:02 AM

1793 is the last 17 branded bus is what he was referring to
Shame the 17 branding will disappear.  I always liked it.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Tony on December 13, 2021, 11:41:19 AM
Graysons - 863, 2077, 4590, 4610, 4613, 4688, 4808
Hartshornes, Pensnett - 1782, 2080, 5505, 5510, 5514,
EYMS, Scarborough- 5401, 5405
Alexander Dennis, Anston - E022, 6924
Powertrain, Willenhall - 1808
Potts, Manchester: - 4864

Paint - 755, 823, 1794, 1834, 6110, 6146, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 6968
BC - 4603
WN:- 2109, 6106, 6109 (loans for service)
WA - 4778
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Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on December 13, 2021, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2021, 11:41:19 AM
Graysons - 863, 2077, 4590, 4610, 4613, 4688, 4808
Hartshornes, Pensnett - 1782, 2080, 5505, 5510, 5514,
EYMS, Scarborough- 5401, 5405
Alexander Dennis, Anston - E022, 6924
Powertrain, Willenhall - 1808
Potts, Manchester: - 4864

Paint - 7755, 823, 1794, 1834, 6110, 6146, 119L, 3035, 3997
PB - 2121, 2146, 6968
BC - 4603
WN:- 2109, 6106, 6109 (loans for service)
WA - 4778

What is bus 7755 @Tony ?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: winston on December 13, 2021, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Wumpty on December 13, 2021, 12:41:32 PM
What is bus 7755 @Tony ?

It will be 755 (typo)
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on December 13, 2021, 12:48:16 PM
Quote from: winston on December 13, 2021, 12:44:01 PM
It will be 755 (typo)
Cheers @winston - you never know with @Tony - thought he'd been out spending again!!!!
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: BK63 YWP on December 13, 2021, 02:26:31 PM
Has E011 returned from adl?
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: 37351ml on December 21, 2021, 10:43:36 PM
Saw it on 6 today no branding or fleet numbers on it as far as i could see as it passed by.
Title: Re: Vehicles away from home garage 2021
Post by: Wumpty on January 26, 2022, 12:27:31 PM
Seen at Volvo Pensnett this afternoon:

2020
2127 (route branded WMB 31/32)
5505
5513