Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 21, 2020, 03:13:22 PM
Good to see 28 frequency going up from the new year
Strange to se NX aren't taking over the daytime section to Small Heath. Does anyone know who is and from when cause I thought evergreen had their licence stripped?
Quote from: bususer28 on December 22, 2020, 01:35:43 PM
Strange to se NX aren't taking over the daytime section to Small Heath. Does anyone know who is and from when cause I thought evergreen had their licence stripped?
It is still Thandi until their appeal is heard
I find strange that the 28A only operates hourly and also finishes early on a Saturday yet the evening and Sunday NX extension is every 30 mins. I would personally re-route the 73 between Yew Tree and Heartlands to run via The Swan and Small Heath, all they would have to do is add a couple of late evening journeys and introduce an hourly Sunday service. The subsidy from the 28's extension could go towards this.
Then they could extend the evening and Sunday service to the Scott Arms.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 22, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
I find strange that the 28A only operates hourly and also finishes early on a Saturday yet the evening and Sunday NX extension is every 30 mins. I would personally re-route the 73 between Yew Tree and Heartlands to run via The Swan and Small Heath, all they would have to do is add a couple of late evening journeys and introduce an hourly Sunday service. The subsidy from the 28's extension could go towards this.
Then they could extend the evening and Sunday service to the Scott Arms.
Good idea, but I wouldn't send it down the Swan; I'd keep it as it's current route but just turn left at Heybarnes Road instead of Newbridge Road.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 22, 2020, 02:57:15 PM
Good idea, but I wouldn't send it down the Swan; I'd keep it as it's current route but just turn left at Heybarnes Road instead of Newbridge Road.
Disagree, it would give passengers in Sheldon, Brays Road, Cockshut Hill access to both Tesco and Asda
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 22, 2020, 02:57:15 PM
Good idea, but I wouldn't send it down the Swan; I'd keep it as it's current route but just turn left at Heybarnes Road instead of Newbridge Road.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 22, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
Disagree, it would give passengers in Sheldon, Brays Road, Cockshut Hill access to both Tesco and Asda
Both of these would mean that Newbridge Road loses its bus service.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 22, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
Disagree, it would give passengers in Sheldon, Brays Road, Cockshut Hill access to both Tesco and Asda
Would Sheldon residents travel that far to Small Heath for an Asda when they have a Morrison's and a Tesco?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 22, 2020, 04:45:19 PM
Would Sheldon residents travel that far to Small Heath for an Asda when they have a Morrison's and a Tesco?
A bigger choice ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 22, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
I find strange that the 28A only operates hourly and also finishes early on a Saturday yet the evening and Sunday NX extension is every 30 mins. I would personally re-route the 73 between Yew Tree and Heartlands to run via The Swan and Small Heath, all they would have to do is add a couple of late evening journeys and introduce an hourly Sunday service. The subsidy from the 28's extension could go towards this.
Then they could extend the evening and Sunday service to the Scott Arms.
Sounds a good idea to have it cover the less frequent service. What route in Small Heath would you have it take?
Could extend it to Fox and Goose, as well form Heartlands as then it'd give us a direct bus to Solihull as well. Not sure what journey time would be like but sounds good. Running it via Belchers Lane, Cotterills Lane and Stechford Lane.
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2020, 06:17:00 PM
Sounds a good idea to have it cover the less frequent service. What route in Small Heath would you have it take?
Could extend it to Fox and Goose, as well form Heartlands as then it'd give us a direct bus to Solihull as well. Not sure what journey time would be like but sounds good. Running it via Belchers Lane, Cotterills Lane and Stechford Lane.
Thinking about it again now I would look at extending the existing 73 from Heartlands to Small heath via the re-routed 28 extension. My original idea was to re-route via the Swan, Coventry Road, Heybarnes Road, Hobmoor Road, Yardley Green Road and Littile Bromwich, the problem with that is that it would leave the daytime section to Arthur Street out, but I don't know how many use that part.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 22, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
Thinking about it again now I would look at extending the existing 73 from Heartlands to Small heath via the re-routed 28 extension. My original idea was to re-route via the Swan, Coventry Road, Heybarnes Road, Hobmoor Road, Yardley Green Road and Littile Bromwich, the problem with that is that it would leave the daytime section to Arthur Street out, but I don't know how many use that part.
Think the original route makes more sense. As with the the other idea it would have to go back on itself I think.
Could the Diamond 34 or Claribel 36 serve the Arthur Street section in some way as well? As from looking at the map of the route 34 seems to operate close to section on the other side of Small Heath Bridge so could be rerouted to serve it. Or 36 could be extended from Sparkbook.
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2020, 06:17:00 PM
Could extend it to Fox and Goose, as well form Heartlands as then it'd give us a direct bus to Solihull as well. Not sure what journey time would be like but sounds good. Running it via Belchers Lane, Cotterills Lane and Stechford Lane.
And another idea I think would be have having some 73 journeys extend from Fox & Goose and run a loop of Bromford so it could replace the 25 as
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2020, 07:15:31 PM
Could the Diamond 34 or Claribel 36 serve the Arthur Street section in some way as well? As from looking at the map of the route 34 seems to operate close to section on the other side of Small Heath Bridge so could be rerouted to serve it. Or 36 could be extended from Sparkbook.
The 34 goes nowhere near Small Heath.
Quote from: Stu on December 22, 2020, 08:11:48 PM
The 34 goes nowhere near Small Heath.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_GEOOBJECT_REQUEST?language=en&command=bothDirections&line=cen:18034:T:H:y11:13:5::1:7&hideBannerInfo=1&coordOutputFormat=MRCV
The map says it runs on Dearman Road which is the other side of Small Heath Bridge to the 28A, so if it could come through Small Heath and serve that section some way and then go over the bridge is what I was wandering.
Though i've never used the 34 route so don't know.
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2020, 08:14:44 PM
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_GEOOBJECT_REQUEST?language=en&command=bothDirections&line=cen:18034:T:H:y11:13:5::1:7&hideBannerInfo=1&coordOutputFormat=MRCV
The map says it runs on Dearman Road which is the other side of Small Heath Bridge to the 28A, so if it could come through Small Heath and serve that section some way and then go over the bridge is what I was wandering.
Though i've never used the 34 route so don't know.
I think there are more practical ways of serving it. Saying that I think the 34 can't be adjusted anymore because it would require 2 buses instead of 1 which is already a stretch as there is a bus every 65 mins rather than every 60 mins.
Quote from: bususer28 on December 22, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
I think there are more practical ways of serving it. Saying that I think the 34 can't be adjusted anymore because it would require 2 buses instead of 1 which is already a stretch as there is a bus every 65 mins rather than every 60 mins.
How would you serve it, out of interest?
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2020, 09:59:59 PM
How would you serve it, out of interest?
For me an extension of the 28 seems the most logical.
Quote from: bususer28 on December 23, 2020, 08:02:08 PM
For me an extension of the 28 seems the most logical.
Just one bus will cost over £100,000 per year so I very much doubt it is anywhere near viable
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
Just one bus will cost over £100,000 per year so I very much doubt it is anywhere near viable
Agree 100%, as a passenger on the 28 (not in Covid times) the 28 does not need an extension back to Small Heath in the daytime, it would wreck it's reliability.
The pensnett 28 is a bostin little run yow leave it aloon
What they should do is make the 28A go to NXWM.Then extend the 28 and 28A to birmingham following the 60.Omnilinks will have the 28/28A branding too. Birmingham to Old Scott or wherever they go.
Quote from: bbs on December 24, 2020, 01:13:49 PM
What they should do is make the 28A go to NXWM.Then extend the 28 and 28A to birmingham following the 60.Omnilinks will have the 28/28A branding too. Birmingham to Old Scott or wherever they go.
Could you re-write this in english please ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 24, 2020, 01:23:02 PM
Could you re-write this in english please ?
He wants the 28A to go to NX then extend both of them to the City Centre.
It's a terrible idea considering how much longer and unreliable the 28 would become plus the 60 does an ok job serving Coventry Road at a higher frequency.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 24, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
He wants the 28A to go to NX then extend both of them to the City Centre.
It's a terrible idea considering how much longer and unreliable the 28 would become plus the 60 does an ok job serving Coventry Road at a higher frequency.
I agree entirely.
I do remember back in the 1990's I was in the old WM Travelshop on Colmore Row and I used to talk to the people there often and there was an idea at the time to make the 28 into a 'North Circle' (before the 68 becoming the North Circle). The idea was for the 28 to run Small heath to Perry Beeches, then replacing the 52 to City, then as the then 99 to Small Heath. I would think the Scott Arms part would have been taken over by the 406 maybe which might have also served Booth's Farm.
How they don't send the 28 through here at evenings and sundays is a joke but they can do an extension in Small Health where at night I doubt theres little need.
I'd send every other 28 through Beeches and Scott Arms during the evenings and sundays as it doesn't need to be frequent but a bus every half hour to here would make sense and would be used.
And I can also confirm the people ask very often if the 28 serves Beeches and Scott Arms during the evenings, it would also work on a sunday with a bus every half hour or every 20 minutes.
For the Small Heath part I'd extend the 73 to do the route from Heartlands to Small Heath, I mean it is pretty easy and obvious.
And whoever suggested the 28 going to the City you may as well say bugger all because the current frequency is a joke and the lateness is also a joke. It really could do with being double deckers again however if its going to be up to 10 mins it may change, but doubt it and I also think if you was to send it to City split it into two or three routes because its not far for people at one end of the route (Scott Arms/Beeches etc) to be waiting because a quarter of the buses ate stuck in rush hour in Small Heath...
Quote from: Jack on December 24, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
For the Small Heath part I'd extend the 73 to do the route from Heartlands to Small Heath, I mean it is pretty easy and obvious.
Or reroute it Church Road, Coventry Road, Heybarnes Road, Hob Moor Road, Yardley Green Road, Little Bromwich Road, Bordesley Green East.
I've checked 36 timetable at current frequency is every 45 minutes. So think an extension via Golden Hillock Road, Waverley Road, Oldknow Road, Coventry Road, Arthur Street, Bolton Road, Jenkin Street, Camelot Way, Golden Hillock Road. Could possibly be done. With a reduced hourly frequency. With 0 requirement for extra vehicles.
Could also possibly split it at Acocks Green so its not such a long convulted route.
36 Heartlands - Acocks Green.
37 Small Heath - Acocks Green. Both hourly.
Quote from: Jack on December 24, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
How they don't send the 28 through here at evenings and sundays is a joke but they can do an extension in Small Health where at night I doubt theres little need.
I'd send every other 28 through Beeches and Scott Arms during the evenings and sundays as it doesn't need to be frequent but a bus every half hour to here would make sense and would be used.
And I can also confirm the people ask very often if the 28 serves Beeches and Scott Arms during the evenings, it would also work on a sunday with a bus every half hour or every 20 minutes.
For the Small Heath part I'd extend the 73 to do the route from Heartlands to Small Heath, I mean it is pretty easy and obvious.
And whoever suggested the 28 going to the City you may as well say bugger all because the current frequency is a joke and the lateness is also a joke. It really could do with being double deckers again however if its going to be up to 10 mins it may change, but doubt it and I also think if you was to send it to City split it into two or three routes because its not far for people at one end of the route (Scott Arms/Beeches etc) to be waiting because a quarter of the buses ate stuck in rush hour in Small Heath...
The Small Heath bit is a tender I believe so there's that. I'm surprised it's lasted this long considering there's only 3-4 passengers max whenever I see it.
Quote from: 2206 on December 24, 2020, 04:56:09 PM
Or reroute it Church Road, Coventry Road, Heybarnes Road, Hob Moor Road, Yardley Green Road, Little Bromwich Road, Bordesley Green East.
I've checked 36 timetable at current frequency is 45 minutes. So think an extension via Golden Hillock Road, Coventry Road, Arthur Street, Bolton Road, Jenkin Street, Camelot Way, Golden Hillock Road. Could be done. With a reduced hourly frequency. With 0 requirement for extra vehicles.
The 36's probably the better option considering Newbridge Road will lose a bus service to Yardley and beyond.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 24, 2020, 04:58:50 PM
The 36's probably the better option considering Newbridge Road will lose a bus service to Yardley and beyond.
It looks like only the 1 stop on Newbridge Road wouldn't see service anymore. Even then Google Maps says 4 minute walk to Hob Moor Road/Yardley Green Road, so possibly would be within a reasonable walking distance of alternative stops?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Heybarnes+Rd/Recreation+Ground,+Birmingham+B9+5JE/@52.4723231,-1.8311955,16z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bbab4c13fbdf:0x3ceb7571e752e5dd!2m2!1d-1.829908!2d52.470737!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870ba5501708215:0x6222f11f598c4cf6!2m2!1d-1.826942!2d52.472561
Quote from: 2206 on December 24, 2020, 05:03:20 PM
It looks like only the 1 stop on Newbridge Road wouldn't see service anymore. Even then Google Maps says 4 minute walk to Hob Moor Road/Yardley Green Road, so possibly would be within a reasonable walking distance of alternative stops?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Heybarnes+Rd/Recreation+Ground,+Birmingham+B9+5JE/@52.4723231,-1.8311955,16z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bbab4c13fbdf:0x3ceb7571e752e5dd!2m2!1d-1.829908!2d52.470737!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870ba5501708215:0x6222f11f598c4cf6!2m2!1d-1.826942!2d52.472561
True but wouldn't most people prefer a bus that's closer to them rather than walking a few minutes to catch other?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 24, 2020, 05:48:55 PM
True but wouldn't most people prefer a bus that's closer to them rather than walking a few minutes to catch other?
They probably would, but at the same time i'd think not everyone can have a service that stops directly by them and outside their door either.
Either way wouldn't be the first street to lose its service, Drews Lane & Highfield Road, etc.
Newbridge Road has had a bus service along there for at least the last 30 years. Whenever I've been along there (and when I've used the stops on there myself), there were people waiting for the bus (even more so when it used to be the 99 going down there).
Just let the 28A be one of the tender services that rarely gets used, like the 34 and 53. I'm actually sat here thinking if there is an area closer to the city centre that isn't served by a bus that is going to/from the city centre, as I can't think of one at the moment.
Quote from: ellspurs on December 24, 2020, 05:57:14 PM
Newbridge Road has had a bus service along there for at least the last 30 years. Whenever I've been along there (and when I've used the stops on there myself), there were people waiting for the bus (even more so when it used to be the 99 going down there).
If there are a lot of users on Newbrdige Road, what about this instead for 73?
Yew Tree to Heartlands via - Church Road, Coventry Road, Heybarnes Road, Newbridge Road, Yardley Green Road, Blake Lane, Bordesley Green?
As 17 already serves Hob Moor Road?
Then possibly Belchers Lane, Cotterills Lane, Stechford Lane. Then Brockhurst Road, Bromford Road, looping Bromford. Replacing the bus off the 25 route and 73 using 25/28A subsidy.
Quote from: 2206 on December 24, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
What about this instead for 73?
Yew Tree to Heartlands via - Church Road, Coventry Road, Heybarnes Road, Newbridge Road, Yardley Green Road, Blake Lane, Bordesley Green?
As 17 already serves Hob Moor Road?
Then possibly Belchers Lane, Cotterills Lane, Stechford Lane. Then Brockhurst Road, Bromford Road, looping Bromford. Replacing the bus off the 25 route and 73 using 25/28A subsidy.
What about the people on HMR who want to to go to Heartlands?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 24, 2020, 06:18:38 PM
What about the people on HMR who want to to go to Heartlands?
17 to Blake Lane and change for new 73 route. I'd put a new stops on Yardley Green Road/Blake Lane, etc to improve connections as well so they stop as close to each other as possible.
For the 28 to serve Scott Arms Sundays and Evenings the most viable way would be to run
28 Scott Arms - Bordesley Green
28A Dyas Road - Small Heath
Both services running Hourly joint frequency of every 30 minutes that should not increase operations cost.
Quote from: 2206 on December 24, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
If there are a lot of users on Newbrdige Road, what about this instead for 73?
Yew Tree to Heartlands via - Church Road, Coventry Road, Heybarnes Road, Newbridge Road, Yardley Green Road, Blake Lane, Bordesley Green?
As 17 already serves Hob Moor Road?
Then possibly Belchers Lane, Cotterills Lane, Stechford Lane. Then Brockhurst Road, Bromford Road, looping Bromford. Replacing the bus off the 25 route and 73 using 25/28A subsidy.
You know what? Just combining the 25 and 28A would do it.
Quote from: PB2938 on December 24, 2020, 07:14:01 PM
For the 28 to serve Scott Arms Sundays and Evenings the most viable way would be to run
28 Scott Arms - Bordesley Green
28A Dyas Road - Small Heath
Both services running Hourly joint frequency of every 30 minutes that should not increase operations cost.
This too, as it is similar to how the route ran in the late 90s/early 00s, when 28 did Small Heath - Scott Arms (Dyas Road at night) and 28A Heartlands Hospital - Perry Barr. Accounts for the requested Dyas Road - Scott Arms link as well.
Quote from: ellspurs on December 24, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
You know what? Just combining the 25 and 28A would do it.
73 would have a better frequency though I was thinking, so would probably offer a better service as a replacement for the 28A on Heybarnes Rd, etc. Especially if you could probably do a Heartlands - Bromford section with just 1 extra bus (displaced off the 25/28A).
Quote from: ellspurs on December 24, 2020, 07:43:36 PM
This too, as it is similar to how the route ran in the late 90s/early 00s, when 28 did Small Heath - Scott Arms (Dyas Road at night) and 28A Heartlands Hospital - Perry Barr. Accounts for the requested Dyas Road - Scott Arms link as well.
Most of the elderly here do miss the 28A (628 in its last months), especially for the fact it was a quick easy route for them do their shopping. It's a shame this link wasn't tendered during Mon-Sat daytimes, it is missed by many and its a much nicer and safer option than the 52 because the 28A meant people didn't have to walk through the grotty subways where it isn't safe when the 28A terminated in the supposedly 'bus station'. Though who knows when this 7 lane road will open... Before anyone goes 'it won't be used' well sorry but you have routes like the 53 and 424 etc.
I mean its funny 11 years ago this estate had loads of services and now theres only 3...
Also I'm surprised the 424 is still going round in its current long form, if Claribels lose the tender I can see it being chopped and changed into various little routes and some parts not being reused because of low patronage.
The 28A to one stop Perry Barr could be reintroduced. As the 28 is a frequent 12 minute service just send every other 28 to Scott Arms then 28A to One Stop. When the 952 was withdrawn an idea could of been reroute 997E To PHEASEY Journeys via Perry Beeches. With the 28A maintaining the One Stop link.
Passengers wanting Scott Arms can easily change to frequent 51 X51 every 5 minutes at Walsall Rosd.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 24, 2020, 03:12:26 PM
He wants the 28A to go to NX then extend both of them to the City Centre.
It's a terrible idea considering how much longer and unreliable the 28 would become plus the 60 does an ok job serving Coventry Road at a higher frequency.
Hmm you are right... Normally i see a 28 just parked in the middle of the small heath highway.
Quote from: bbs on December 25, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
Hmm you are right... Normally i see a 28 just parked in the middle of the small heath highway.
28s Never park in the middle of Small Heath Highway. It would be extremely dangerous
Quote from: Tony on December 25, 2020, 08:23:01 PM
28s Never park in the middle of Small Heath Highway. It would be extremely dangerous
Probably mixed up Small Heath Highway with Bordesley Green East.
Another thing that has to be considered for the 28A is that it looks like Bolton Road has been made one-way this year to allow a cycle lane to be put up the other side of it (Sept 2020 Google Street view). Google is showing it as from the Arthur Street junction all the way around to Vann Close (past the Small Heath Bridge) so that would have to be factored in if any other bus was sent through there as a through service and not a looping service.
Quote from: Tony on December 25, 2020, 08:23:01 PM
28s Never park in the middle of Small Heath Highway. It would be extremely dangerous
Nah i do you know where the left part is it parks there and randomly puts hazards on. i havent seen one yet now the only time i seen was last month. They parked on the side of some factory next to the highway.I wondered why drivers did this.
Quote from: bbs on December 27, 2020, 05:58:16 PM
Nah i do you know where the left part is it parks there and randomly puts hazards on. i havent seen one yet now the only time i seen was last month. They parked on the side of some factory next to the highway.I wondered why drivers did this.
I have no idea where or what you are on about.
It has gone from Normally, to just once no where near where the route goes
If TfWM are going to make changes here they will aim to maintain all the local links to/from Heartlands Hospital in a cost effective manner such as...
Combining the 53 between Smiths Wood and Heartlands with the 28A between Heartlands and Small Heath, Arthur St.
An extension of the 36 from Heartlands to Alum Rock Rd / Saltley (possibly including some nearby un-served roads) replacing this section of the 53 - this will enable a clock faced headway for the 36. There is no obvious need for this to go all the way to the City Centre.
Quote from: JPC on December 27, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
If TfWM are going to make changes here they will aim to maintain all the local links to/from Heartlands Hospital in a cost effective manner such as...
Combining the 53 between Smiths Wood and Heartlands with the 28A between Heartlands and Small Heath, Arthur St.
An extension of the 36 from Heartlands to Alum Rock Rd / Saltley (possibly including some nearby un-served roads) replacing this section of the 53 - this will enable a clock faced headway for the 36. There is no obvious need for this to go all the way to the City Centre.
I did hear the claribels were going to extend the 36 to ward end. But yeah more people will use the 36 if it goes to Alum rock Road.
Really where did you hear that as we have NO plans to extend the 36 to Ward End
Quote from: Steveminor on December 29, 2020, 08:37:12 AM
Really where did you hear that as we have NO plans to extend the 36 to Ward End
It'll be just like when the 36C used to terminate at the bingo hall. It could then go in that "routes that were withdrawn and then reinstated" thread.
Oh, they removed the bingo hall and put a gym there.
Quote from: Steveminor on December 29, 2020, 08:37:12 AM
Really where did you hear that as we have NO plans to extend the 36 to Ward End
A driver was saying that like a few months ago. Unsure now.
Quote from: bbs on December 30, 2020, 01:14:41 PM
A driver was saying that like a few months ago. Unsure now.
You don't need to be unsure, Steve has confirmed that Claribels are not extending the route.
Quote from: JPC on December 27, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
If TfWM are going to make changes here they will aim to maintain all the local links to/from Heartlands Hospital in a cost effective manner such as...
Combining the 53 between Smiths Wood and Heartlands with the 28A between Heartlands and Small Heath, Arthur St.
An extension of the 36 from Heartlands to Alum Rock Rd / Saltley (possibly including some nearby un-served roads) replacing this section of the 53 - this will enable a clock faced headway for the 36. There is no obvious need for this to go all the way to the City Centre.
A lot of people have commented here already, but I will agree with what you say.
If anyone can come up with ideas that will improve these services, without incurring additional costs (ie using more buses), then I'm sure that TfWM would be willing to listen.
What I would like to see more of is input from passengers who actually use or rely on these routes to get to where they need to go, not just 'enthusiasts who fancy a nice bus ride'.
The specification for these routes operated under contract is determined by TfWM, I don't think it is the case that operators can just make changes 'on a whim', unless they have been agreed with and are of benefit to TfWM (ie saving the authority money).