Just in case anyone wants to view them the 2019 Government Bus Stats have been published online. The final ones for which I have contributed too.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/bus-statistics
Please find attached yesterdays announcement on Buses by DfT
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/britains-first-all-electric-bus-town-to-pave-the-way-for-green-communities-of-the-future
The DfT have today launched an consultation document for all buses to become zero emissions:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/creating-a-plan-to-decarbonise-transport-call-for-ideas?utm_source=d0634235-3391-4f43-b1df-326a486d448c&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate
The DfT will now allow capacity on buses at 50% in line with the current social distancing guidance.
The Prime Minister has just announced the entire country should board a bus with immediate effect:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-on-coronavirus-17-july-2020
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 17, 2020, 01:14:33 PM
The Prime Minister has just announced the entire country should board a bus with immediate effect:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-on-coronavirus-17-july-2020
Thank god I do not live in Wales as I would break every rule they have set. The Welsh Junta have published strict guidelines for using the bus in Wales Including making it punishable by death if you run for bus, use a mobile phone on a bus, speak on a bus, read a Metro, sing on a bus or drink on a bus or wait for a bus standing under 2 meters.
https://gov.wales/travelling-safely-coronavirus-guidance-public
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 17, 2020, 04:16:10 PM
Thank god I do not live in Wales as I would break every rule they have set. The Welsh Junta have published strict guidelines for using the bus in Wales Including making it punishable by death if you run for bus, use a mobile phone on a bus, speak on a bus, read a Metro, sing on a bus or drink on a bus or wait for a bus standing under 2 meters.
https://gov.wales/travelling-safely-coronavirus-guidance-public
And I thought Krankie in Scotland was bad. It comes to something where the only decent administration is Stormont
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 17, 2020, 04:59:06 PM
And I thought Krankie in Scotland was bad. It comes to something where the only decent administration is Stormont
Fandabidozi @thetrainbasher
Rishi Sunak current Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a spending review across all departments including the DfT. From a virtual meeting I had with the Minister for Buses, Baroness Vere of Norburton yesterday she seemed to indicate financial support post Covid-19for the bus industry would end in October 2020. If you have any comments to make to The Chancellor in regard for continuing financial support for the bus industry post his autumn statement please email your comments to:
public.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk
but for your comment to be considered please make sure you include your full name and address with your comment. The bus industry needs continued financial support & The Treasury needs to know this is vital for the future of the bus industry in England.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 02:52:57 PM
Rishi Sunak current Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a spending review across all departments including the DfT. From a virtual meeting I had with the Minister for Buses, Baroness Vere of Norburton yesterday she seemed to indicate financial support post Covid-19for the bus industry would end in October 2020. If you have any comments to make to The Chancellor in regard for continuing financial support for the bus industry post his autumn statement please email your comments to:
public.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk
but for your comment to be considered please make sure you include your full name and address with your comment. The bus industry needs continued financial support & The Treasury needs to know this is vital for the future of the bus industry in England.
Well rumour has it that the government want TFL in privaate hands, so goodness knows what will happen.
Personally i would prefer things to stay ass they are, I think Andy Street trying to rule the bus industry through the WMCA will mean that the bus services will become like TFL, ie: services are run by the cheapest bidder!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2020, 03:19:03 PM
Well rumour has it that the government want TFL in privaate hands, so goodness knows what will happen.
Personally i would prefer things to stay ass they are, I think Andy Street trying to rule the bus industry through the WMCA will mean that the bus services will become like TFL, ie: services are run by the cheapest bidder!
I can assure you
@Stuharris 6360 the current Mayors aim is to operate in partnership with the bus operators through Quality Enhanced Partnerships which offer easy flexibility for passengers with West Midlands Bus but not at the expense of the operators. If there is a change of administration next year then everything may change but I can assure you there is currently no desire to introduce bus franchising in the West Midlands County by the WMCA and with partnerships in mind Swift GO is about to go live on West Midlands Metro championed by The Mayor.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/new-swift-go-guarantees-best-value-fare-on-metro/
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 03:29:52 PM
I can assure you @Stuharris 6360 the current Mayors aim is to operate in partnership with the bus operators through Quality Enhanced Partnerships which offer easy flexibility for passengers with West Midlands Bus but not at the expense of the operators. If there is a change of administration next year then everything may change but I can assure you there is currently no desire to introduce bus franchising in the West Midlands County by the WMCA
Personally I wouldn't trust a word he says, he may be saying that he isn't going to introduce bus franchising but as soon as the next mayoral election is won it suddenly gets introduced.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
Personally I wouldn't trust a word he says, he may be saying that he isn't going to introduce bus franchising but as soon as the next mayoral election is won it suddenly gets introduced.
Bus franchising will NOT be introduced in the West Midlands County by the current Mayor if he is relected unless Government legislation requires this West Midlands Bus will be expanded thru QEPs with the operators but there will be NO franchising along the TfGM model. In addition SWIFT GO has been released on West Midlands Metro which outlines the future partnerships The Mayor is championing between the Metro and Bus & Train operators.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/new-swift-go-guarantees-best-value-fare-on-metro/
@Trident 4194 I have nothing against the Prime Minister repainting an RAF aeroplane at all if it boosts UK Economic activity its money well spent my point was your comment was you said we don't have unlimited financing to fund everything my response was simply we do the Public Sector Borrowing Requirement can be secured against UK Net Reserves to allow both buses are not an optional extra but a fundamental requirement for the UK Economy which I urge you to remind The Treasury off.
Can I just remind everyone that the future of our hobby and industry could be in serious peril with what I found out from The Buses Minister yesterday over support for the bus industry from October and this is is far more important than personal thoughts about members of the forum such as myself who uses buses and operators 364 days a week & only comments about my personal use of The West Midlands County bus network even throughout the Covid-19 lockdown when no one was able to support our operators I continued to use the bus for essential hospital treatment & I thank the operators from the bottom of my heart to maintaing a vital bus service for those of us who needed to use it in lockdown & whatever you think of me at least I have found out where the operators stand from October and you can put your views to The Chancellor direct:
Rishi Sunak current Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a spending review across all departments including the DfT. From a virtual meeting I had with the Minister for Buses, Baroness Vere of Norburton yesterday she seemed to indicate financial support post Covid-19for the bus industry would end in October 2020. If you have any comments to make to The Chancellor in regard for continuing financial support for the bus industry post his autumn statement please email your comments to:
public.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk
but for your comment to be considered please make sure you include your full name and address with your comment. The bus industry needs continued financial support & The Treasury needs to know this is vital for the future of the bus industry in England.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 07:50:49 PM
Can I just remind everyone that the future of our hobby and industry could be in serious peril with what I found out from The Buses Minister yesterday over support for the bus industry from October and this is is far more important than personal thoughts about members of the forum such as myself who uses buses and operators 364 days a week & only comments about my personal use of The West Midlands County bus network even throughout the Covid-19 lockdown when no one was able to support our operators I continued to use the bus for essential hospital treatment & I thank the operators from the bottom of my heart to maintaing a vital bus service for those of us who needed to use it in lockdown & whatever you think of me at least I have found out where the operators stand from October and you can put your views to The Chancellor direct:
Rishi Sunak current Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a spending review across all departments including the DfT. From a virtual meeting I had with the Minister for Buses, Baroness Vere of Norburton yesterday she seemed to indicate financial support post Covid-19for the bus industry would end in October 2020. If you have any comments to make to The Chancellor in regard for continuing financial support for the bus industry post his autumn statement please email your comments to:
public.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk
but for your comment to be considered please make sure you include your full name and address with your comment. The bus industry needs continued financial support & The Treasury needs to know this is vital for the future of the bus industry in England.
Really, how come you are privy to all this infformation, are you a "bus champion" by any chance?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2020, 07:55:44 PM
Really, how come you are privy to all this infformation, are you a "bus champion" by any chance?
Ha Ha very good
@Stuharris 6360 I am a little more than a "bus champion" if you wish to PM me I am more than happy to explain why I am privy to all this information as you suggest I have nothing to hide.
Something interesting from Birmingham Council, including dates they hope to have some projects done by
(You'll need to download it to read it, but it is safe)
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/16920/birmingham_bus_statement_-_july_2020
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2020, 08:36:01 PM
Something interesting from Birmingham Council, including dates they hope to have some projects done by
(You'll need to download it to read it, but it is safe)
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/16920/birmingham_bus_statement_-_july_2020
A most interesting and thoughtful paper from Councillor Wazeem Zaffeer
@Tony may I remind everyone that Birmingham City Council which Cllr Zaffeer represents is only a stakeholder within Transport for West Midlands and the document contains simply aspirations on Cllr Zaffeers part the final decisions on anything to do with the future of policies regarding buses within West Midlands County is the responsibility of The West Midlands Combined Authority and The Mayor & we would welcome any input from Cllr Zaffeer if he ever bothered to turn up for meetings of West Midlands Bus Alliance of which the excellent Cllr Kath Hartley of Birmingham City Council is the Chair that is where the decisions are made on the strategic future of buses in The West Midlands County not in Birmingham Council House.
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2020, 08:36:01 PM
Something interesting from Birmingham Council, including dates they hope to have some projects done by
(You'll need to download it to read it, but it is safe)
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/16920/birmingham_bus_statement_-_july_2020
Yes, interesting indeed - and very positive for buses.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on July 21, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Yes, interesting indeed - and very positive for buses.
And of course absolutely of no relevance at all
@Justin Tyme to those who actually make the decisions on buses in The West Midlands County but I agree very interesting indeed and quite positive on buses. Its unfortunate its most likely a complete waste of Council Tax payers money in Birmingham but it looks nice for Cllr Zafferr on his CV I agree. Policy on buses in The West Midlands County is a matter for The Mayor & the collective decisions of the West Midlands Combined Authority not just Birmingham City Council.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 09:32:47 PM
And of course absolutely of no relevance at all @Justin Tyme to those who actually make the decisions on buses in The West Midlands County but I agree very interesting indeed and quite positive on buses. Its unfortunate its most likely a complete waste of Council Tax payers money in Birmingham but it looks nice for Cllr Zafferr on his CV I agree. Policy on buses in The West Midlands County is a matter for The Mayor & the collective decisions of the West Midlands Combined Authority not just Birmingham City Council.
Stop the political rubbish.
It is Birmingham Council who will install the bus lane cameras. It is BCC who will make Moor Street Queensway a bus gate. It is BCC who won the money from Government for the hydrogen project. You make out all that stuff in there is just Councillor Zafar's wish list
Looks like the Druids Heath to Dudley cross city route is officially happening then as well as other cross-city routes. Hope they get this right or this is a massive disaster waiting to happen.
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2020, 09:52:39 PM
Stop the political rubbish.
It is Birmingham Council who will install the bus lane cameras. It is BCC who will make Moor Street Queensway a bus gate. It is BCC who won the money from Government for the hydrogen project. You make out all that stuff in there is just Councillor Zafar's wish list
I would never use this forum to make political points I am not a member of any political party
@Tony I fully agree Birmingham City Council is responsible for highways & infrastructure but they do not have direct influence on bus service provision in the West Midlands County I stand by my opinion the report you quoted is a vanity project for Cllr Zaffer & would have been more of relevance if the report had been produced in conjunction with The West Midlands Combined Authority as it stands it is of no relevance overall to the provision of bus services in the West Midlands County & very odd he didn't take part in a conference call discussing the future of buses in metropolitan areas with the Minister for Buses, the heads of TfWM TfGM TfL and most of the major operators yesterday I was also delighted to take part in as I say Cllr Zafeers & his report is of no consequence to those who are actually burdened with trying to save the bus industry from disaster. May I remind you support to keep our excellent West Midlands County bus network going thru the unfortunate circumstance we are living in comes from West Midlands Midlands Combined Authority and not Birmingham City Council.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 10:06:58 PM
I would never use this forum to make political points I am not a member of any political party @Tony I fully agree Birmingham City Council is responsible for highways & infrastructure but they do not have direct influence on bus service provision in the West Midlands County I stand by my opinion the report you quoted is a vanity project for Cllr Zaffer & would have been more of relevance if the report had been produced in conjunction with The West Midlands Combined Authority as it stands it is of no relevance overall to the provision of bus services in the West Midlands County & very odd he didn't take part in a conference call discussing the future of buses in metropolitan areas with the Minister for Buses, the heads of TfWM TfGM TfL and most of the major operators yesterday I was also delighted to take part in as I say Cllr Zafeers & his report is of no consequence to those who are actually burdened with trying to save the bus industry from disaster. May I remind you support to keep our excellent West Midlands County bus network going thru the unfortunate circumstance we are living in comes from West Midlands Midlands Combined Authority and not Birmingham City Council.
You said this is of no relevance at all in a previous reply, most of this report is on infrastructure improvements, which you now say the council are responsible for, so you are disagreeing with yourself.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 10:06:58 PM
I would never use this forum to make political points I am not a member of any political party @Tony I fully agree Birmingham City Council is responsible for highways & infrastructure but they do not have direct influence on bus service provision in the West Midlands County I stand by my opinion the report you quoted is a vanity project for Cllr Zaffer & would have been more of relevance if the report had been produced in conjunction with The West Midlands Combined Authority as it stands it is of no relevance overall to the provision of bus services in the West Midlands County & very odd he didn't take part in a conference call discussing the future of buses in metropolitan areas with the Minister for Buses, the heads of TfWM TfGM TfL and most of the major operators yesterday I was also delighted to take part in as I say Cllr Zafeers & his report is of no consequence to those who are actually burdened with trying to save the bus industry from disaster. May I remind you support to keep our excellent West Midlands County bus network going thru the unfortunate circumstance we are living in comes from West Midlands Midlands Combined Authority and not Birmingham City Council.
Yet another false statment. Richard, you've made so many political comments over your two appearances on here. Get off man.
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2020, 10:18:14 PM
You said this is of no relevance at all in a previous reply, most of this report is on infrastructure improvements, which you now say the council are responsible for, so you are disagreeing with yourself.
Im am not disagreeing with myself
@Tony the report outlines matters regarding bus provision which are outside Birmingham City Councils responsibilities it would have been far more conscructive if it had been produced in conjunction with West Midlands Combined Authority . If the author actually believed in the future of the bus in the West Midlands one would expect the report to be produced in conjunction with the Transport Authority I stand by my comments it is a vanity project.
Quote from: Dom on July 21, 2020, 10:18:50 PM
Yet another false statment. Richard, you've made so many political comments over your two appearances on here. Get off man.
Say no more, I guessed earlier (talk of Blackheath buses and hospital appointments), so now we know to ignore
@WyreForestShuttle because he just spouts a lot of garbage and no one is interested in any of it!
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2020, 09:52:39 PM
Stop the political rubbish.
It is Birmingham Council who will install the bus lane cameras. It is BCC who will make Moor Street Queensway a bus gate. It is BCC who won the money from Government for the hydrogen project. You make out all that stuff in there is just Councillor Zafar's wish list
I have checked this; this morning; and the following applies:
@TonyOn Page 4 Workwise championed by Cllr Zaffer is the responsibility of TfWM
On page 5 on Network Management partnerships with the bus operators are the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 6 Air Quality and Carbon Reduction on the buses is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 6 The West Midlands Bus Alliance is the responsibility of the WMCA
On Page 6 Promoting Bus Use & Improving the Passenger Experience thru ticketing is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 Birmingham City Councils funding for the hydrogen bus project falls within the remit of the West Midlands Combined Authority & its West Midlands Low Emission Bus Delivery Plan from West Midlands Bus Alliance. Birmingham City Council is only responsible for highways and bus priority measures outlined on this page.
On Page 7 Sprint is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 TfWM is providing the majority of funding for Cross City Bus Priority and TfWM are the lead.
On Page 7 The Queen Elizabeth Hospital Bus Priority from National Productivity Investment Fund is a matter for HM Treasury
On Page 7 Sprint Hagley Rd is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 Sprint Sutton is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 only Alcester Rd Bus Priority which is in partnership with TfWM & Harborne Rd Road safety Improvements are the responsibility of Birmingham City Council.
Only a small part of the report you quoted is of any responsibility of Birmingham City Council the rest of it is a wish list of Cllr Zafar as Birmingham City Council have no direct responsibility for bus provision in the City that is what we have TfWM for the report to have more relevance to the buses in Birmingham it would have been preferable to be created in conjunction with the WMCA who have the overall responsibility for buses in Birmingham. This is no way political as I previously stated I am not a member of any political party and have no interest in politics only buses.
You really need to stop all this 'may I remind you' nonsense that you've been using in all your recent posts. Do you have any idea how derogatory you sound?
Quote from: Gareth on July 22, 2020, 12:31:35 PM
You really need to stop all this 'may I remind you' nonsense that you've been using in all your recent posts. Do you have any idea how derogatory you sound?
Not really
@Gareth it is how we were taught to respond to points in Whitehall but I understand your view and have amended the post accordingly as perhaps; on reflection; this is not the place for such formality and is not intended towards
@Tony in the manner you describe I apologise for any offense incurred it was not my intention.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 10:58:03 AM
I have checked this; this morning; and the following applies: @Tony
On Page 4 Workwise championed by Cllr Zaffer is the responsibility of TfWM
On page 5 on Network Management partnerships with the bus operators are the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 6 Air Quality and Carbon Reduction on the buses is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 6 The West Midlands Bus Alliance is the responsibility of the WMCA
On Page 6 Promoting Bus Use & Improving the Passenger Experience thru ticketing is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 Birmingham City Councils funding for the hydrogen bus project falls within the remit of the West Midlands Combined Authority & its West Midlands Low Emission Bus Delivery Plan from West Midlands Bus Alliance. Birmingham City Council is only responsible for highways and bus priority measures outlined on this page.
On Page 7 Sprint is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 TfWM is providing the majority of funding for Cross City Bus Priority and TfWM are the lead.
On Page 7 The Queen Elizabeth Hospital Bus Priority from National Productivity Investment Fund is a matter for HM Treasury
On Page 7 Sprint Hagley Rd is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 Sprint Sutton is the responsibility of TfWM
On Page 7 only Alcester Rd Bus Priority which is in partnership with TfWM & Harborne Rd Road safety Improvements are the responsibility of Birmingham City Council.
Only a small part of the report you quoted is of any responsibility of Birmingham City Council the rest of it is a wish list of Cllr Zafar as Birmingham City Council have no direct responsibility for bus provision in the City that is what we have TfWM for the report to have more relevance to the buses in Birmingham it would have been preferable to be created in conjunction with the WMCA who have the overall responsibility for buses in Birmingham. This is no way political as I previously stated I am not a member of any political party and have no interest in politics only buses.
So why hasn't Andy Street or the WMCA spoke out against this report.
basically you want Andy Street and the WMCA to take charge of this report and get all the praise for it, when in fact the council have done the report and it's them who should be getting the praise.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
So why hasn't Andy Street or the WMCA spoke out against this report.
basically you want Andy Street and the WMCA to take charge of this report and get all the praise for it, when in fact the council have done the report and it's them who should be getting the praise.
The report is nothing to do with the WMCA & is of no relevance to anyone save Cllr Zafar save for the cost to the Birmingham City Council - Council Tax Payer who has funded itsadly.
An almost identical report on the sustainability of public transport together with the Mayors vision for buses iln Birmingham is avaliable to view on the TfWM website.
@Stuharris 6360
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 10:58:03 AM
On Page 7 The Queen Elizabeth Hospital Bus Priority from National Productivity Investment Fund is a matter for HM Treasury
What will be changing at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on New Fosse Way?
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 07:50:49 PM
Can I just remind everyone that the future of our hobby and industry could be in serious peri
Also what percentage of passengers compared to normal are services operating to at present. From what I saw this evening both 4780 & 1799 were busy on the 55/94, so presume more people are going back to using them.
Quote from: 2206 on July 22, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
What will be changing at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on New Fosse Way? Also what percentage of passengers compared to normal are services operating to at present. From what I saw this evening both 4780 & 1799 were busy on the 55/94, so presume more people are going back to using them.
Noted those in low car ownership areas.
Quote from: 2206 on July 22, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
What will be changing at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital on New Fosse Way? Also what percentage of passengers compared to normal are services operating to at present. From what I saw this evening both 4780 & 1799 were busy on the 55/94, so presume more people are going back to using them.
@2206 the last statistics I had from the WMCA is we are running at 19% of the normal capacity of passengers whilst at QEHB the plan which I am proud to be part of to be delivered is bus priority measures outside the out patients department as services currently suffer from delays due to the current drop of system in place. The funding for these measures to give buses priority is from the National Productivity Investment Fund & is paid from HM Treasury to improve the experience of bus users including myself to QEHB.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 07:23:07 PM
@2206 the last statistics I had from the WMCA is we are running at 19% of the normal capacity of passengers whilst at QEHB the plan which I am proud to be part of to be delivered is bus priority measures outside the out patients department as services currently suffer from delays due to the current drop of system in place. The funding for these measures to give buses priority is from the National Productivity Investment Fund & is paid from HM Treasury to improve the experience of bus users including myself to QEHB.
That's not very up to date 19% was a few weeks ago, close to 40% now
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2020, 07:38:26 PM
That's not very up to date 19% was a few weeks ago, close to 40% now
Still quite poor though unfortunately. I personally haven't been on a bus since lockdown. Especially as it seems Covid is airborne now, so you can't protect against it
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 22, 2020, 08:02:18 PM
Still quite poor though unfortunately. I personally haven't been on a bus since lockdown. Especially as it seems Covid is airborne now, so you can't protect against it
So you think 40% is poor at the moment?
It is higher than almost every other part of the country
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2020, 08:03:34 PM
So you think 40% is poor at the moment?
It is higher than almost every other part of the country
I think the current norm is nearer 25% compare with pre Covid
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2020, 08:03:34 PM
So you think 40% is poor at the moment?
It is higher than almost every other part of the country
Ok
@Tony if the operators have 40% as data then excellent news I only have the data from the WMCA but from my own usage which I have photographic evidence the number of passengers on yesterday:
13A only me on the top deck
16W only me on the bus
4H only me on the bus
Today:
24 Only me on the bus
24 Only me on the bus
X8 Only me on the top deck
48 Only me on the top deck
19 Only me on the bus
4H Only me on the top deck.
Hardly 40%
@Tony but what do I know I only use our excellent bus service as I have done throughout the Covid-19 pandemic so what do I know about bus useage?
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Ok @Tony if the operators have 40% as data then excellent news I only have the data from the WMCA but from my own usage which I have photographic evidence the number of passengers on yesterday:
13A only me on the top deck
16W only me on the bus
4H only me on the bus
Today:
24 Only me on the bus
24 Only me on the bus
X8 Only me on the top deck
48 Only me on the top deck
19 Only me on the bus
4H Only me on the top deck.
Hardly 40% @Tony but what do I know I only use our excellent bus service as I have done throughout the Covid-19 pandemic.
Some of the 14's, 55's, 94's and 11's are fairly busy and not empty from what I've seen.
They are also running duplicates on the 47 (City - Cotteridge), 11 (Acocks Green - Erdington via Ward End) (And it was also said the Perry Barr - Handsworth - Bearwood section), 14 (City Centre - Stechford via Alum Rock), etc, due to demand so people can distance i'd expect, as I doubt they'd be running them if they weren't needed. Both 4780 and 1799 had someone on every row earlier on the 55/94.
I would think parts of Birmingham are perhaps lower car ownership areas. So there is more reliance on the buses in certain areas as
@Trident 4194 said earlier. Wheras the routes you are using could be high car ownership areas, or generally not as busy, which could be why you are the only one on the bus.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Ok @Tony if the operators have 40% as data then excellent news I only have the data from the WMCA but from my own usage which I have photographic evidence the number of passengers on yesterday:
13A only me on the top deck
16W only me on the bus
4H only me on the bus
Today:
24 Only me on the bus
24 Only me on the bus
X8 Only me on the top deck
48 Only me on the top deck
19 Only me on the bus
4H Only me on the top deck.
Hardly 40% @Tony but what do I know I only use our excellent bus service as I have done throughout the Covid-19 pandemic so what do I know about bus useage?
You don’t have the facts and figures that back the statement regarding patronage. You have a snap shot of your personal experience which represents a tiny percentage of the networks overall journeys. It appears to me you also have all the gear and no idea! I’m amazed you didn’t fall out with yourself sat alone on the top deck.
I just cannot understand why you have to challenge everything? Even when your not furnished with the facts. You either like to cause arguments or are simply thick.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Ok @Tony if the operators have 40% as data then excellent news I only have the data from the WMCA but from my own usage which I have photographic evidence the number of passengers on yesterday:
13A only me on the top deck
16W only me on the bus
4H only me on the bus
Today:
24 Only me on the bus
24 Only me on the bus
X8 Only me on the top deck
48 Only me on the top deck
19 Only me on the bus
4H Only me on the top deck.
Hardly 40% @Tony but what do I know I only use our excellent bus service as I have done throughout the Covid-19 pandemic so what do I know about bus useage?
15 for me yesterday from Bromley Lane 8 people and returning around 14 people from merry hill... you can not judge on a single journies as they can vary day to day
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Ok @Tony if the operators have 40% as data then excellent news I only have the data from the WMCA but from my own usage which I have photographic evidence the number of passengers on yesterday:
13A only me on the top deck
16W only me on the bus
4H only me on the bus
Today:
24 Only me on the bus
24 Only me on the bus
X8 Only me on the top deck
48 Only me on the top deck
19 Only me on the bus
4H Only me on the top deck.
Hardly 40% @Tony but what do I know I only use our excellent bus service as I have done throughout the Covid-19 pandemic so what do I know about bus useage?
I have the 15 running in my area it all depends on what time of day because some buses have had 0 people on some have been alot more
Monday AM, the double decker 33 was going into Birmingham City Centre nearly full at 0455.
Fairly healthy loads on a few 50, seen on Alcester Road between 0600-0700.
Service 17 was showing a "bus full due to social distancing" message on Coventry Road at about 0945 (with another 17 immediately behind, with a healthy load on it).
And over in Nottingham this last Tuesday:
49X to Boots full with people standing around 05:30.
49A seen in Nottingham City Centre with a 3/4 load around 0600.
Plenty of Trent Barton buses at least half full.
Sure, there were buses on both days that didn't have many/any people on (mostly Diamond 50s), but bus usage has definitely increased from even a month ago.
There's going to be only a few people that have access to the full picture, and Tony would be one of them.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 22, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Ok @Tony if the operators have 40% as data then excellent news I only have the data from the WMCA but from my own usage which I have photographic evidence the number of passengers on yesterday:
13A only me on the top deck
16W only me on the bus
4H only me on the bus
Today:
24 Only me on the bus
24 Only me on the bus
X8 Only me on the top deck
48 Only me on the top deck
19 Only me on the bus
4H Only me on the top deck.
Hardly 40% @Tony but what do I know I only use our excellent bus service as I have done throughout the Covid-19 pandemic so what do I know about bus useage?
How can this representative of anything, besides I think some areas are taking longer to recover than others.
I would love to take a trip on a bus but am still rather nervous as I am about doing a number of things post covid.
The bus industry will recover as slowly or as qquick as it takes, nothing anybody can do sadly.
Looks like Richard has left the forum again!
Back on topic, i feel the bus industry will recover in time as life tries to go back to some normality and the second peak is a small one but I do feel there may be a big casualty out of this and several independents may go bust as the government funding is slowly pulled