4A reduced to every 15 mins, 4 increased to every 5-10 mins (the 5 mins combined frequency will remain) BUT on Saturdays AND Sundays the 4A will be every 20 mins, the 4 will be every 8-12 mins (combining every 6-8 mins)
New 4 timetable - http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/TTB/EFA01__000028a9_TP.pdf
New 4A timetable - http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/TTB/EFA01__00000132_TP.pdf
Those links don't work.
Ok I'll try again
4 - http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/TTB/EFA01__00000645_TP.pdf
4A - http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/TTB/EFA01__0000285e_TP.pdf
What is this??
Registration number PD0001111/24
Licence Number PD0001111
Variation number 46
Status Registered
Service number. 22, 23
Service type Normal Stopping
Start point Birmingham
Finish point Woodcock Hill
Via Harborne
Date received 28 Feb 2019
Effective date 24 Mar 2019
End date
Supported by subsidies? No
Local authorities covered by route West Midlands Combined Authority (WMCA)
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
Registration number PD0001111/39
Licence Number PD0001111
Variation number 53
Status Registered
Service number. X64, X21
Service type Limited Stop
Start point Birmingham
Finish point Woodcock Hill
Via Selly Oak, Weoley Castle
Date received 28 Feb 2019
Effective date 24 Mar 2019
End date
Supported by subsidies? No
Local authorities covered by route West Midlands Combined Authority (WMCA)
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 08, 2019, 11:35:51 PM
What is this??
Registration number PD0001111/24
Licence Number PD0001111
Variation number 46
Status Registered
Service number. 22, 23
Service type Normal Stopping
Start point Birmingham
Finish point Woodcock Hill
Via Harborne
Date received 28 Feb 2019
Effective date 24 Mar 2019
End date
Supported by subsidies? No
Local authorities covered by route West Midlands Combined Authority (WMCA)
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
Registration number PD0001111/39
Licence Number PD0001111
Variation number 53
Status Registered
Service number. X64, X21
Service type Limited Stop
Start point Birmingham
Finish point Woodcock Hill
Via Selly Oak, Weoley Castle
Date received 28 Feb 2019
Effective date 24 Mar 2019
End date
Supported by subsidies? No
Local authorities covered by route West Midlands Combined Authority (WMCA)
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
I'm still not clear on what this actually means but this says the 23 terminus will be moved from Newman College due to 'safety concerns'(?!).
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/24
And this one says that the X21 will have a new stop introduced to serve the new shopping park at Selly Oak. Making it even less limited stop than it never was before:
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/39
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2019, 11:59:32 PM
And this one says that the X21 will have a new stop introduced to serve the new shopping park at Selly Oak. Making it even less limited stop than it never was before:
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/39
While, valid I agree with this, it seems daft to just skip it out, surprised the X20 won't be serving it.
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2019, 11:59:32 PM
I'm still not clear on what this actually means but this says the 23 terminus will be moved from Newman College due to 'safety concerns'(?!).
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/24
And this one says that the X21 will have a new stop introduced to serve the new shopping park at Selly Oak. Making it even less limited stop than it never was before:
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/39
The safety concerns may be car related and parking. There were people who kicked up a fuss about the buses terminating there.
Same with the 45/47 which looks like it's had the same effect https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/123
As for the ☓21, I highlighted it because the previous registration said 'Normal Stopping', so I wondered what had changed. If this is true then it should've been done a while ago as it makes sense. However, as you say makes it less Limited Stop.
Quote from: Jack on March 09, 2019, 06:35:39 AM
While, valid I agree with this, it seems daft to just skip it out, surprised the X20 won't be serving it.
See here: https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/106
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 09, 2019, 06:49:57 AM
The safety concerns may be car related and parking. There were people who kicked up a fuss about the buses terminating there.
I see. Hadn't thought of that. The terminus stop is situated immediately in front of the turn in to the staff car park and deliveries entrance, which could restrict visibility and make it difficult for vehicles trying to emerge from there. I'm assuming it's only a very minor route change then.
Quote from: Mike K on March 09, 2019, 08:34:57 AM
I see. Hadn't thought of that. The terminus stop is situated immediately in front of the turn in to the staff car park and deliveries entrance, which could restrict visibility and make it difficult for vehicles trying to emerge from there. I'm assuming it's only a very minor route change then.
This appears to be already happening. I've witnessed 23's doing this for a number of weeks now (i.e going straight down Cromwell Road then right to Woodcock Hill instead of turning at Newman Uni, then laying over at the top of Moors Lane... presumably coming back down Genners Lane past the reservoir
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
This appears to be already happening. I've witnessed 23's doing this for a number of weeks now (i.e going straight down Cromwell Road then right to Woodcock Hill instead of turning at Newman Uni, then laying over at the top of Moors Lane... presumably coming back down Genners Lane past the reservoir
Interesting. That sounds like the old 21 terminus. I wonder if they'll ever resurrect "Bangham Pit" as a destination.
Quote from: Mike K on March 09, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
Interesting. That sounds like the old 21 terminus. I wonder if they'll ever resurrect "Bangham Pit" as a destination.
Does the 23 actually serve any of the Banham Pit Estate though?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 09, 2019, 01:46:56 PM
Does the 23 actually serve any of the Banham Pit Estate though?
It doesn't but if the terminal point is moved to the junction of Moors Lane and Genners Lane that was where the 21 (before its extension to Bartley Green) finished and that showed Bangham Pit. I suspect they'll stick with Bartley Green as the destination. Most people have no idea where Bangham Pit is anyway.
Quote from: Mike K on March 09, 2019, 02:13:36 PM
It doesn't but if the terminal point is moved to the junction of Moors Lane and Genners Lane that was where the 21 (before its extension to Bartley Green) finished and that showed Bangham Pit. I suspect they'll stick with Bartley Green as the destination. Most people have no idea where Bangham Pit is anyway.
True but the 21 did serve Bangham Pit. You could say the same about Woodcock Hill to be honest. Not even sure it actually exists. Probably will stick with Bartley Green though.
This stop the X21 will serve for the retail park in Selly Oak... will it be the Gibbins Road stop of which the X64 use to serve? Would make sense if it was.
Quote from: Jack on March 10, 2019, 05:22:40 PM
This stop the X21 will serve for the retail park in Selly Oak... will it be the Gibbins Road stop of which the X64 use to serve? Would make sense if it was.
I was thinking a stop could be put on the new road just after/before it.
That said it stopped at the old Gibbins Road stop today to let someone off so it might be.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 10, 2019, 05:33:39 PM
I was thinking a stop could be put on the new road just after/before it.
That said it stopped at the old Gibbins Road stop today to let someone off so it might be.
The Gibbins Road stop is always a busy stop, so it would make sense as people would be able to change to and from the Outer Circle and the 48. Isn't the X20 going to be stopping at the retail park too?
Quote from: Jack on March 10, 2019, 05:43:52 PM
Isn't the X20 going to be stopping at the retail park too?
Yes.
(See the link where you asked on the previous page).
Changes to the Evening service are now shown on the 1 timetable on the NX website, which shows in the evening it will take the 1A route to QE Hospital and then go Non Stop to Five Ways.
There's clearly a mistake with the timetable they've uploaded though.
Towards Acocks Green the terminus is shown as Five Ways and in the other direction its shown as the QE.
Not a mistake, QEH to Five Ways is a loop so common to both directions of the evening timetable.
I see the Acocks Green (Dolphin Lane) loop is completely dropped. The new 31 timetable allows a minute longer inbound to Acocks but I'm unsure its exact route.
In my opinion the X20 should stop at Orthopedic Hospital. This is a busy stop, not just for the hospital but for people living along Whitehill Rd and the bottom of Shenley Lane, and after all the X61 used to stop there.
Service changes 24th March 2019 now on NX website
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-24th-march-2019
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 13, 2019, 07:58:39 PM
Service changes 24th March 2019 now on NX website
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-24th-march-2019
Is it just me or are there more and more of these one way loops being implemented by NX lately?
Can't wait to see what announcements they're going to attempt to add to the end of the 23 (Past Newman University)
I wonder if it'll be blank, have a different voice for the extension or something else.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 13, 2019, 07:58:39 PM
Service changes 24th March 2019 now on NX website
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-24th-march-2019
Seeing an E400 on the 31 reminds me that if it is to run through as a 58 they'll have to make it single deck only due to Olton station bridge.
Quote from: Mike K on March 09, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
Interesting. That sounds like the old 21 terminus. I wonder if they'll ever resurrect "Bangham Pit" as a destination.
I would love to see Bangham Pit resurrected as a destination on the buses. It does seem as if the preferred name by NXWM for that area though now is Woodcock Hill.
Quote from: sonic84 on March 18, 2019, 11:25:30 AM
I would love to see Bangham Pit resurrected as a destination on the buses. It does seem as if the preferred name by NXWM for that area though now is Woodcock Hill.
The ☓21 doesn't terminate at Bangham Pit though whereas the 23 will.
The app seems to have changed names, however the destinations haven't. I haven't had a chance to see if they've updated announcements yet.
Quote from: mesub on March 24, 2019, 03:46:51 PM
The app seems to have changed names, however the destinations haven't. I haven't had a chance to see if they've updated announcements yet.
I doubt it. The ☓20/☓21 haven't had theirs updated. I have noticed that the 23 says Bangham Pit on the app though so who knows. I still say the ☓21 should be serving the Bagham Pit Estate in some form, maybe even Merrits Brook too.
As it is, it just parks up randomly on "Woodcock Hill" before doing a bizzare one way loop. Also I'm not sure where the 23 terminates but one of the outbound stops is by Cromwell Lane where you've got the ☓21 going inbound which must be confusing.
I saw a few unbranded E200 MMC on the 31 earlier, looks like they haven't updated the displays they were all still displaying 31 Solihull Station, though they now go to Solihull Town Centre.