Have just seen an article in the Express and Star saying the rebuilding of Dudley Bus Station won't start until 2020.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/dudley/2018/09/29/dudley-bus-station-rebuild-expected-to-start-in-2020/
You can polish a turd
Sorry trainbasher but Dudley bus station is the only bus station in the Midlands that has not be updated so I welcome this news
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 29, 2018, 09:30:11 PM
Sorry trainbasher but Dudley bus station is the only bus station in the Midlands that has not be updated so I welcome this news
Dudley is still a dump, especially with the fast food and charity shops, even with a new bus station and metro.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 29, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
Dudley is still a dump, especially with the fast food and charity shops, even with a new bus station and metro.
Oh yes, charity shops makes a town a dump. Dire reason that is.
Charity shops raise money to go to charity i recon that's a good thing doesn't mean if makes a town or a city look a dump
Quote from: Dom on September 29, 2018, 11:02:29 PM
Oh yes, charity shops makes a town a dump. Dire reason that is.
When there's too many of them I'd say it does, make places a dump. Just look at Kingstanding Shopping Centre, the only shops that are there are 97% charity shops!
People only have so much to spend so fast food bring jobs done do delivery so more work & charity shops are cheap someone's junk &another ones joy .What would you rather see empty shops
Liverpool One bus station is a nice looking one.
Are any of the TfWM ones similar looking?
Most bus stations are now with doors that open when a bus is there
That's a shame its going to take that long, but then the metro in Dudley is also taking far longer than it ever should have taken. Yet another kick in the teeth for those not living in Birmingham
Quote from: Jack on September 29, 2018, 11:41:10 PM
When there's too many of them I'd say it does, make places a dump. Just look at Kingstanding Shopping Centre, the only shops that are there are 97% charity shops!
Yes, it's the charity shops that make Kingstanding a dump... Definitely not the people...
Dudley bus station does require an upgrade its just far to easy for Joe public to walk across the bus lanes/ carriage way etc , the electric doors have helped reduce the numbers good idea IMO
I,ve seen cars/taxis use it as a short cut as well.
Apologies for dragging back an old topic, but the new Dudley Bus Station has been given the go-ahead - with some new impressions in the following article
https://www.wmca.org.uk/news/new-images-released-as-dudley-s-new-bus-and-metro-interchange-is-given-the-green-light/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo&utm_content=Dudley+Regeneration
Tbh Dudley doesn't need a great glass monstrosity like what it's getting, the existing bus station is functional as it is.
I'm all for having new bus stations, but I hate drive in, reverse out.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 15, 2021, 04:06:49 PM
Tbh Dudley doesn't need a great glass monstrosity like what it's getting, the existing bus station is functional as it is.
Functional yes, dated yes... Needed in my opinion
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 15, 2021, 04:06:49 PM
Tbh Dudley doesn't need a great glass monstrosity like what it's getting, the existing bus station is functional as it is.
I'd agree with you. Refurbish it to modern standards yes but not a massive, disruptive rebuild.....
Quote from: markcf83 on February 15, 2021, 05:55:04 PM
I'd agree with you. Refurbish it to modern standards yes but not a massive, disruptive rebuild.....
It's the layout that is outdated though, walking across bus lanes without any weather protection is from the 1970s
Quote from: Gareth on February 15, 2021, 05:23:32 PM
I'm all for having new bus stations, but I hate drive in, reverse out.
Is there anywhere else in the West Midlands that is drive in, reverse out?
I remember it being a novelty when the buses used to reverse in the Staffordshire villages when on their jaunts to Bewdley or Bridgnorth.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 15, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
Is there anywhere else in the West Midlands that is drive in, reverse out?
I remember it being a novelty when the buses used to reverse in the Staffordshire villages when on their jaunts to Bewdley or Bridgnorth.
Digbeth, but that doesn't really count ;)
Quote from: Pat on February 15, 2021, 06:21:19 PM
Digbeth, but that doesn't really count ;)
Drive in reverse out works well in other parts of the country, Glasgow is an extremely busy example but I have never seen any problems there
Wouldnt it be better if looked like wolverhampton bus
Station
Quote from: Solo1 on February 15, 2021, 06:49:29 PM
Wouldnt it be better if looked like wolverhampton bus
Station
How do you propose fitting it into a different shape?
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2021, 06:25:28 PM
Drive in reverse out works well in other parts of the country, Glasgow is an extremely busy example but I have never seen any problems there
I must admit the only time I've ever encountered a drive-in-reverse-out layout was many years ago on a weekend away with friends to Torquay. We took the bus to Brixham, which called in at Paignton bus station on the way. Seemed more of a novelty than anything else though. Maybe the reason this layout is less favoured up here is that you'd need staff/crew in the station to assist with reversing buses out of their bays?
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2021, 06:25:28 PM
Drive in reverse out works well in other parts of the country, Glasgow is an extremely busy example but I have never seen any problems there
Bristol. Bath, Gloucester too. Let's hope they don't take away all the layover bays.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2021, 06:59:32 PM
I must admit the only time I've ever encountered a drive-in-reverse-out layout was many years ago on a weekend away with friends to Torquay. We took the bus to Brixham, which called in at Paignton bus station on the way. Seemed more of a novelty than anything else though. Maybe the reason this layout is less favoured up here is that you'd need staff/crew in the station to assist with reversing buses out of their bays?
Telford, Leicester St. Margarets and Manchester Airport have drive in/reverse out, and to be fair I've never seen anyone there to reverse the vehicles out. I just thought it was a thing that wasn't done in the West Midlands for whatever reason.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2021, 06:59:32 PM
I must admit the only time I've ever encountered a drive-in-reverse-out layout was many years ago on a weekend away with friends to Torquay. We took the bus to Brixham, which called in at Paignton bus station on the way. Seemed more of a novelty than anything else though. Maybe the reason this layout is less favoured up here is that you'd need staff/crew in the station to assist with reversing buses out of their bays?
No, as bus stations are controlled areas, meaning no pedestrian access so buses are permitted to reverse without a banksman.
Quite a few places have drive in reverse out bus stations. Derby Bus Station is busy and seems to work well.
I know of two bus stations where banksmen have to be used. Banbury is because stands are on two sides of a square site - and a shopping centre delivery bay is on a third side!
St Ives in Cornwall - possibly the most scenic location for a bus station in the country - is because buses reverse in off the street.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on February 15, 2021, 07:31:38 PM
Quite a few places have drive in reverse out bus stations. Derby Bus Station is busy and seems to work well.
I know of two bus stations where banksmen have to be used. Banbury is because stands are on two sides of a square site - and a shopping centre delivery bay is on a third side!
St Ives in Cornwall - possibly the most scenic location for a bus station in the country - is because buses reverse in off the street.
Glasgow has a team of banksmen as it is so busy
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2021, 07:33:54 PM
Glasgow has a team of banksmen as it is so busy
Aberdeen is also a busy one. They have a banksman also. It does get quite busy there though, and traffic does sometimes back up.
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2021, 06:52:16 PM
How do you propose fitting it into a different shape?
would b bigger just need to te route the rd round it
Camborne, Truro & Penzance have drive in reverse out layout as well as St Ives.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 15, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
I remember it being a novelty when the buses used to reverse in the Staffordshire villages when on their jaunts to Bewdley or Bridgnorth.
From what I remember they used to have to reverse to get out at the Havens Holiday Park place in Hayle, the bus stop being the pylon thing.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.1967548,-5.42531,3a,90y,260.4h,84.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss_e2q5TE4Ygp_Re6SFGy8g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
They might have reversed at Porthowan/Perranporth as well I think on the A4 route.
Quote from: Solo1 on February 15, 2021, 08:13:15 PM
would b bigger just need to te route the rd round it
And how would buses get in from that side then?
The footprint of the existing bus station prevents the Metro from getting up Birmingham Street. Therefore the shape must change to accommodate the Metro and provide a tram stop alongside the new building.
In addition, at the start of 2020, 79% of all bus stations in the UK were drive in, reverse out.
I prefer drive in reverse out, aka sawtooth style bus stations, the stands are on one concourse, so passengers don't have to cross over the busway, so everything can be enclosed on the passenger side.
I've been to a few in different locations around the country and they seem to work well. I know the one in Paignton very well. The 12 which is a frequent service and passes through Paignton, has 4 bays (1 for each direction, and a layover for each direction). Don't know if the same thing would be needed in Dudley though as the most frequent services terminate there i.e. 1, 74, 87
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on February 15, 2021, 10:33:12 PM
I've been to a few in different locations around the country and they seem to work well. I know the one in Paignton very well. The 12 which is a frequent service and passes through Paignton, has 4 bays (1 for each direction, and a layover for each direction). Don't know if the same thing would be needed in Dudley though as the most frequent services terminate there i.e. 1, 74, 87
There is no way you could have a layover bay for each service. There will no doubt be some sort of parking area for buses.
In Scotland: Edinburgh, Kilmarnock, Dundee & Hamilton also are reverse out and all have banksmen.
Ayr, Cumnock, Dunfermline, Galashields, Glenrothes, Kirkcaldy, Leven, St Andrews &, Stirling have reverse out but I am not sure whether they have banksmen or not.
In England the following long list have reverse out:
Alnwick
Morpeth
Newcastle - Haymarket, Eldon Square & the Coach Station
South Shields
Consett
Stanley
Durham
Beverley
Kingston upon Hull
Harrogate
Seacroft
Leeds
Bradford
Castleford
Cleckheaton
Dewsbury
Keighley
Skipton
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Barnsley
Lincoln
Grantham
Peterborough
Retford
Newark upon Trent
Mansfield
Nottingham Victoria
Derby
Lancaster
Preston
Chorley
Blackburn
Accrington
Burnley
Nelson
Rawtenstall
Rochdale
Bolton
Wigan
Middleton
Trafford Centre
Warrington
Skelmersdale
Crewe
Newcastle under Lyne
Hanley
Longton
Shrewsbury
Chippenham
Banbury
Oxford
Swindon
Newbury
High Wycombe
Slough
Heathrow CBS
Kingston upon Thames Cromwell Road
Hertford
Cambridge
Northampton
Bletchley
Bedford
Huntingdon
Kings Lynn
Wisbech
Lowestoft
Ipswich Old Cattle Market
Basildon
Stansted Airport
Canterbury
Brighton Pool Valley
Horsham
Andover
Basingtoke
Aldershot
Guildford
Havant
Chichester
Portsmouth The Hard
Fareham
Bournemouth
Poole
Truro
Camborne
Penzance
In Wales:
Newport
Pontypridd
Aberdare
Caerphilly
Cwmbran
Bridgend
Port Talbot (x2)
Neath
Swansea
Carmarthen
Wrexham
I am sure that I have missed some but there are quite a few around the UK, the main areas they don't have them are Merseyside, West Midlands & Greater London.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on February 15, 2021, 10:55:40 PM
In Wales:
Newport
Pontypridd
Aberdare
Caerphilly
Cwmbran
Bridgend
Port Talbot (x2)
Neath
Swansea
Carmarthen
Wrexham
*Blackwood
Cwmbran sort of is and sort of isn't. You can drive straight off the stand, if there isn't a bus on the stand in front.
Quote from: Pat on February 15, 2021, 10:50:25 PM
There is no way you could have a layover bay for each service. There will no doubt be some sort of parking area for buses.
Oh I understand that absolutely. Some services would have to share, just like how they do now (Otherwise you'd need double the space!). I'm just thinking of the high frequency routes (1, 74, 87, maybe 8/X8), would there need to be an overflow stand? Two 87's or two 74's both arriving at Dudley isn't that unusual afterall. I know there is one for the 4/4H/4M at Bradford Place, and isn't there one at West Bromwich Bus Station for the 74 Birmingham bound?
The plans for Dudley Bus Station were shown at a meeting I attended early last year before Covid started. The main building will occupy the site currently occupied by the Farmfoods supermarket. There will definitely be layover bays on site away from the main departure bays. Dudley Council have produced a fly-through video of new developments in the town centre. The bus station is about 2 minutes into the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOwZHaOmudQ&ab_channel=dudleymbc
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on February 16, 2021, 01:03:01 AM
Oh I understand that absolutely. Some services would have to share, just like how they do now (Otherwise you'd need double the space!). I'm just thinking of the high frequency routes (1, 74, 87, maybe 8/X8), would there need to be an overflow stand? Two 87's or two 74's both arriving at Dudley isn't that unusual afterall. I know there is one for the 4/4H/4M at Bradford Place, and isn't there one at West Bromwich Bus Station for the 74 Birmingham bound?
At the moment, the current number of layover parking areas is sufficient. There's roughly 14 bays, 7 on the bus station and 7 ish on the area of land at the back.
There's a couple of bays on Bradford Street, which is for use of any Bradford Place service. Thandi usually park on there and take their breaks.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on February 15, 2021, 10:55:40 PM
In Scotland: Edinburgh, Kilmarnock, Dundee & Hamilton also are reverse out and all have banksmen.
Ayr, Cumnock, Dunfermline, Galashields, Glenrothes, Kirkcaldy, Leven, St Andrews &, Stirling have reverse out but I am not sure whether they have banksmen or not.
In England the following long list have reverse out:
Alnwick
Morpeth
Newcastle - Haymarket, Eldon Square & the Coach Station
South Shields
Consett
Stanley
Durham
Beverley
Kingston upon Hull
Harrogate
Seacroft
Leeds
Bradford
Castleford
Cleckheaton
Dewsbury
Keighley
Skipton
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Barnsley
Lincoln
Grantham
Peterborough
Retford
Newark upon Trent
Mansfield
Nottingham Victoria
Derby
Lancaster
Preston
Chorley
Blackburn
Accrington
Burnley
Nelson
Rawtenstall
Rochdale
Bolton
Wigan
Middleton
Trafford Centre
Warrington
Skelmersdale
Crewe
Newcastle under Lyne
Hanley
Longton
Shrewsbury
Chippenham
Banbury
Oxford
Swindon
Newbury
High Wycombe
Slough
Heathrow CBS
Kingston upon Thames Cromwell Road
Hertford
Cambridge
Northampton
Bletchley
Bedford
Huntingdon
Kings Lynn
Wisbech
Lowestoft
Ipswich Old Cattle Market
Basildon
Stansted Airport
Canterbury
Brighton Pool Valley
Horsham
Andover
Basingtoke
Aldershot
Guildford
Havant
Chichester
Portsmouth The Hard
Fareham
Bournemouth
Poole
Truro
Camborne
Penzance
In Wales:
Newport
Pontypridd
Aberdare
Caerphilly
Cwmbran
Bridgend
Port Talbot (x2)
Neath
Swansea
Carmarthen
Wrexham
I am sure that I have missed some but there are quite a few around the UK, the main areas they don't have them are Merseyside, West Midlands & Greater London.
There's two bus stations in Newport, one for the Newport Bus network and one used principally by Stagecoach South Wales.
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2021, 06:25:28 PM
Drive in reverse out works well in other parts of the country, Glasgow is an extremely busy example but I have never seen any problems there
The only problem I can see with it is how sprint buses will reverse out or are they going to stop somewhere else because I don't think reversing an articulated bus is something easy to do.
Quote from: bususer28 on February 16, 2021, 03:01:28 PM
The only problem I can see with it is how sprint buses will reverse out or are they going to stop somewhere else because I don't think reversing an articulated bus is something easy to do.
Previously released plans had a separate stand(s) for Sprint services, alongside the drive in, reverse out stands for regular services.
(https://i.imgur.com/eGDEv6E.jpg)
Sorry but I forgot include the following in the list which also are reverse out:
Daventry
Exeter (the old one and the new one when it is finished)
Plymouth Coach Station
Southampton Coach Station
P.S. I have visited all but 16 of them.
Diamond have now published the diversion for the 42 and 229, with the routes using Trindle Road into Dudley.
QuoteMonday 8th March until Further Notice
Castle Hill in Dudley will become one way in an outbound direction from the above date until further notice in order for works to be undertaken on the install of the Midland Metro Tracks.
All buses using Castle Hill out of Dudley will follow their Normal Line of Route, However Services 42 and 229 will divert towards Dudley Bus Station as follows: Castle Hill, Left at traffic lights (Station Hotel), then right into Porters Field (By Taxi Rank).
According to a set of minutes on the West Midlands Combined Authority website, work will potentially start on site in February 2022 to align with Castle Hill returning to two way traffic following Metro works thus allowing for better access for Bus to the temporary site on Tower Street.
I've noticed notices around Dudley bus station today , Dudley bus station is to close on the 14th January 2024
Pensnett drivers now being given diversion packs
Asumingq buses coming from Kates Hill (12/x8/7) will use station Rd/Castle Hill to get to the Broadway, will be intresting to see if anything will come through the town centre streets normally not used by buses.
Quote from: danny on December 06, 2023, 11:50:42 PMAsumingq buses coming from Kates Hill (12/x8/7) will use station Rd/Castle Hill to get to the Broadway, will be intresting to see if anything will come through the town centre streets normally not used by buses.
No
Tbf the temporary TRO put in place for the duration on the streets in the Tower Street/Ednam Rd/Priory Rd area are fun with half the parking bays converted to other restrictions
Quote from: Ian Hardy on February 16, 2021, 05:45:36 PMSorry but I forgot include the following in the list which also are reverse out:
Daventry
Exeter (the old one and the new one when it is finished)
Plymouth Coach Station
Southampton Coach Station
P.S. I have visited all but 16 of them.
Leicester st margrets is also a reverse out bus station, same with Lincoln central bus station and Telford bus station is reverse out.
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 09, 2023, 11:08:37 PMLeicester st margrets is also a reverse out bus station, same with Lincoln central bus station and Telford bus station is reverse out.
I went to Telford pre Covid.
It was still the Arriva 8 when I went, so that will tell you how long it was!
It was reverse out I remember.
Quote from: Pat on February 15, 2021, 11:25:47 PM*Blackwood
Cwmbran sort of is and sort of isn't. You can drive straight off the stand, if there isn't a bus on the stand in front.
You missed Merthyr off it.
New stands, from when Dudley bus station closes
https://www.facebook.com/share/3yc9N9v3CygYsCsd/?mibextid=K35XfP
Thank you for this, it's really helpful 😀
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 13, 2023, 04:09:13 PMNew stands, from when Dudley bus station closes
https://www.facebook.com/share/3yc9N9v3CygYsCsd/?mibextid=K35XfP