Hi, Just want to say that the announcments on X12 are wrong at some points, Green lane Post office - there is no post office. And after Heathway it says the next stop is millington road when it is shawsdale road.
Quote from: Jack D on February 24, 2018, 09:25:19 AM
Hi, Just want to say that the announcments on X12 are wrong at some points, Green lane Post office - there is no post office. And after Heathway it says the next stop is millington road when it is shawsdale road.
They do say Shawdale Road. If they stop at the Shawsdale Road stop then it will say Shawsdale Road. The announcements say 'Bromford Road, Bromford Lane' but the flag actually says 'Bromford Road, Bromford Drive'
After 'Heathway' it says 'Next stop is Millington road'
Noticed today and on Monday that the next-stop announcements on BC's Platinums have been 'redone'.
Not very well, it all seems messed up. While travelling from Swan Island to Bordesley station on the X1 and X2, the scrolling display changes correctly (with the welcome addition of the current time being displayed) however the audio next-stop announcement plays as the bus is approaching (or passing) the stop. Not very helpful for visually-impaired passengers!
Also, Deakins Road is being announced again, despite not being served by these routes.
Then the display goes dead after Kings Road, while travelling along Small Heath Highway.
Can they be put back how they were please? :-\
Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
Noticed today and on Monday that the next-stop announcements on BC's Platinums have been 'redone'.
Not very well, it all seems messed up. While travelling from Swan Island to Bordesley station on the X1 and X2, the scrolling display changes correctly (with the welcome addition of the current time being displayed) however the audio next-stop announcement plays as the bus is approaching (or passing) the stop. Not very helpful for visually-impaired passengers!
Welcome to the world of WN, PB & PN.
Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
Noticed today and on Monday that the next-stop announcements on BC's Platinums have been 'redone'.
Not very well, it all seems messed up. While travelling from Swan Island to Bordesley station on the X1 and X2, the scrolling display changes correctly (with the welcome addition of the current time being displayed) however the audio next-stop announcement plays as the bus is approaching (or passing) the stop. Not very helpful for visually-impaired passengers!
Also, Deakins Road is being announced again, despite not being served by these routes.
Then the display goes dead after Kings Road, while travelling along Small Heath Highway.
Can they be put back how they were please? :-\
Presume the same has been done to the X61?
Shame they can't be like AG's.
Yeah I noticed this as well. They seem very out of sync at the moment. No point saying 'the next stop is...' when you're already arriving at that stop.
Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2018, 07:00:28 PM
Noticed today and on Monday that the next-stop announcements on BC's Platinums have been 'redone'.
Not very well, it all seems messed up. While travelling from Swan Island to Bordesley station on the X1 and X2, the scrolling display changes correctly (with the welcome addition of the current time being displayed) however the audio next-stop announcement plays as the bus is approaching (or passing) the stop. Not very helpful for visually-impaired passengers!
Also, Deakins Road is being announced again, despite not being served by these routes.
Then the display goes dead after Kings Road, while travelling along Small Heath Highway.
Can they be put back how they were please? :-\
I noticed this on 6890 this evening. Phil Upton now has 2 other cronies helping him with the announcements - one strange voice doing 'the next stop is' and Phil and another bloke sharing the rest of the announcements. On reaching the Harborne swimming baths stop, there is also a further announcement saying 'change here for the Outer Circle'.
Has there ever been announcements on the WN 1? I caught one earlier and there weren't any, although the screen was working showing the next stop. I can't remember if there was any in the past since I've barely ever caught it.
Quote from: Mike K on March 07, 2018, 10:05:17 PM
I noticed this on 6890 this evening. Phil Upton now has 2 other cronies helping him with the announcements - one strange voice doing 'the next stop is' and Phil and another bloke sharing the rest of the announcements. On reaching the Harborne swimming baths stop, there is also a further announcement saying 'change here for the Outer Circle'.
Yeah there's also a "Moor Street, Queensway, change here for Moor Street Station". I like it to be honest.
Also, all of them are involved with Barnes Hill, Asda. Phil says Barnes Hill and then they other guy mutters something that sounds a little like Asda.
Quote from: DJ98 on March 07, 2018, 10:44:20 PM
Has there ever been announcements on the WN 1? I caught one earlier and there weren't any, although the screen was working showing the next stop. I can't remember if there was any in the past since I've barely ever caught it.
Yes, they were made by a female voice with a Black Country 'twang'.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on March 08, 2018, 07:53:07 AM
Yes, they were made by a female voice with a Black Country 'twang'.
I think I do remember hearing that a year or two ago when I caught the 1 up to Wolverhampton from Dudley, but as I said, there weren't any yesterday, at least on the bus I was on. Have the announcements been removed from all of them now or did I just manage to get on one that wasn't working?
Quote from: DJ98 on March 08, 2018, 09:37:00 AM
I think I do remember hearing that a year or two ago when I caught the 1 up to Wolverhampton from Dudley, but as I said, there weren't any yesterday, at least on the bus I was on. Have the announcements been removed from all of them now or did I just manage to get on one that wasn't working?
Got one that wasn't working
On the 29 between Asda and California Way it says "Barnes Hill, Stonehouse Lane" but it doesn't stop there.
Currently on 6885 entering the city centre and on passing Centenary Square the next stop announcement said "Woodside Way". Where on earth is that? Random.
Generally the announcements on the screen are timed very well to change after the last stop, the voice needs to link up with that. Also it's Harborne Academy not Harborne Hill School.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 13, 2018, 10:58:01 AM
Generally the announcements on the screen are timed very well to change after the last stop, the voice needs to link up with that. Also it's Harborne Academy not Harborne Hill School.
To be fair, Harborne Academy was given Academy status mere months after the introducion of the Hybrids at Birmingham Central.
Four Dwellings was given Academy status is 2013; does anybody know if the new voice says "academy", or "high school"? At worst, it'll just say "Four Dwellings", at best: "Four Dwellings Academy"
Quote from: CL on March 13, 2018, 05:09:25 PM
To be fair, Harborne Academy was given Academy status mere months after the introducion of the Hybrids at Birmingham Central.
That may be but they've created new announcements for other stops so why not that one.
It's been 3 years since the X51 went Platinum, and heading inbound they're still saying "the next stop is Booths Farm Road" when it has never stopped there.
How come the new announcements on the ☓20s don't say change here for the QE Hospital when at University Station?
Better than the Arriva Sapphire Walsall-Cannock announcements which are often spelt wrong or don't match the names given on their app. For example, it says "Elmore Road" instead of "Elmore Row" and "Bradstone Avenue" instead of "Broadstone Avenue". There's even "Low Streeet" - how did that get past quality checks?!
Who prefers "the next stop is..." rather than simply the name of the stop as the bus approaches? The 529 does the latter and often says it way too late!
Quote from: l.murphy123 on September 08, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
Better than the Arriva Sapphire Walsall-Cannock announcements which are often spelt wrong or don't match the names given on their app. For example, it says "Elmore Road" instead of "Elmore Row" and "Bradstone Avenue" instead of "Broadstone Avenue". There's even "Low Streeet" - how did that get past quality checks?!
Who prefers "the next stop is..." rather than simply the name of the stop as the bus approaches? The 529 does the latter and often says it way too late!
On the subject of the Sapphire announcements, I've always assumed as Arriva are from 'outside the area', they haven't done the local research properly!
They used to operate a lot in and around Walsall and Wolverhampton until they sold their depot in Wednesfield after losing most Centro contracts. Nevertheless there shouldn't be silly mistakes, especially "Streeet"! Somebody has signed those off as being ready to roll out and they should be embarrassed.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on September 08, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
They used to operate a lot in and around Walsall and Wolverhampton until they sold their depot in Wednesfield after losing most Centro contracts. Nevertheless there shouldn't be silly mistakes, especially "Streeet"! Somebody has signed those off as being ready to roll out and they should be embarrassed.
Surely that's a different operation in a way, as it was acquired, rather than them always operating in that area?
Arriva (& Midland Red before it?) were always seen by me, as 'That lot from Cannock', as I was too young to remember MR's previous WM operation pre 1973 & only saw MR on the occasional trips into Cannock & Norton Canes to visit family!
But that's slightly off topic, because as you say there shouldn't be silly mistakes.
I do hope those announcement's are on
@Simon@Arriva ' s list to do?
I'd gladly give him the list of what they should say round here, if he wants!
Quote from: Westy on September 08, 2018, 09:12:56 PM
I do hope those announcement's are on @Simon@Arriva ' s list to do?
I'd gladly give him the list of what they should say round here, if he wants!
He's aware... back to NXWM though what are the announcements on the new 7 and 8 Wolvo services like?
Quote from: l.murphy123 on September 09, 2018, 12:42:26 AM
He's aware... back to NXWM though what are the announcements on the new 7 and 8 Wolvo services like?
You mean X7 and X8 don't you
Speaking of silly mistakes seems like they've fixed the one on Quinton Road for Cadnam Close which said "Grove Road" on the 29 for some reason.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
Speaking of silly mistakes seems like they've fixed the one on Quinton Road for Cadnam Close which said "Grove Road" on the 29 for some reason.
Sorry who was?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
Speaking of silly mistakes seems like they've fixed the one on Quinton Road for Cadnam Close which said "Grove Road" on the 29 for some reason.
The whole Harborne routes were re-recorded for the service changes as you already know, so of course it has been fixed
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2018, 02:37:10 PM
The whole Harborne routes were re-recorded for the service changes as you already know, so of course it has been fixed
Not really a case of "of course" though is it? It's not like the road name has changed in that time, so obviously it was gotten wrong the first time and so there was no guarantee it would be right this time.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2018, 02:59:37 PM
Not really a case of "of course" though is it? It's not like the road name has changed in that time, so obviously it was gotten wrong the first time and so there was no guarantee it would be right this time.
Yes, because I did them from scratch of the list of stop names
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 09, 2018, 01:14:53 AM
You mean X7 and X8 don't you
Yes, the irony of discussing silly mistakes and making one myself. X7 & X8
Had my first ride on one of the new Platinums on the 50 this evening, and I must say I'm very happy with the 'new style' next stop audio/visual announcements.
Very close to how they work down in London; as the bus pulls away from a stop, it announces the service number and destination ("50 to Druids Heath"), then shortly follows with "the next stop is...".
The visual displays I find a lot clearer now, with less scrolling, even though the font size is smaller.
My only complaint is that the audio voice was a bit loud and 'boomy', maybe turn the bass down a little? ;D
Quote from: Stu on December 27, 2018, 05:23:26 PM
Had my first ride on one of the new Platinums on the 50 this evening, and I must say I'm very happy with the 'new style' next stop audio/visual announcements.
Very close to how they work down in London; as the bus pulls away from a stop, it announces the service number and destination ("50 to Druids Heath"), then shortly follows with "the next stop is...".
The visual displays I find a lot clearer now, with less scrolling, even though the font size is smaller.
My only complaint is that the audio voice was a bit loud and 'boomy', maybe turn the bass down a little? ;D
Are they going to redo and correct all the Coventry Rd and University announcements on the other buses at some point?
So far it seems none of the others have been done, other than 6860 and 6886, which have both had the new style next stop announcemnets a few weeks now?
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2018, 05:34:35 PM
Are they going to redo and correct all the Coventry Rd and University announcements on the other buses at some point?
So far it seems none of the others have been done, other than 6860 and 6886, which have both had the new style next stop announcemnets a few weeks now?
Why just those? What about the X10? The 9? The X8? X7? The 997? All routes would be benefit from these changes.
Quote from: Dom on December 27, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
Why just those? What about the X10? The 9? The X8? X7? The 997? All routes would be benefit from these changes.
Because the current announcements are wrong on those routes (X1, X2, X20, X21 and X22).
They announce stops the Coventry Road services announce stops they don't serve like "Wagon Lane" and "Clay Lane" there are a few more examples as well. and miss out stops in the case of the University services - all the stops between Granville Street and School Of Education,
Last time I checked, the Walsall, Wolverhampton, Acocks Green and Pensnett anouncements were working and correct
@Dom and weren't missing stops out and announcing stops they don't serve.
Quote from: Stu on December 27, 2018, 05:23:26 PM
Had my first ride on one of the new Platinums on the 50 this evening, and I must say I'm very happy with the 'new style' next stop audio/visual announcements.
Very close to how they work down in London; as the bus pulls away from a stop, it announces the service number and destination ("50 to Druids Heath"), then shortly follows with "the next stop is...".
The visual displays I find a lot clearer now, with less scrolling, even though the font size is smaller.
My only complaint is that the audio voice was a bit loud and 'boomy', maybe turn the bass down a little? ;D
The 529 is much louder than the X51/934/935/997. Assuming this is similar to the 50 then. There's a (very) short clip on YouTube of the 50 and I notice it displays the time too... this would be useful on journeys that aren't Platinum (e.g. 10/10A have Platinum busses on Sundays) rather than 'national express West Midlands' on loop.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on December 27, 2018, 07:13:39 PM
The 529 is much louder than the X51/934/935/997. Assuming this is similar to the 50 then.
The volume is probably similar.
The new style X20/X21/X22/23/24/50 announcements other than that are not the same as the 529.
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2018, 05:34:35 PM
Are they going to redo and correct all the Coventry Rd and University announcements on the other buses at some point?
So far it seems none of the others have been done, other than 6860 and 6886, which have both had the new style next stop announcemnets a few weeks now?
6845 has them, I believe. I caught it on the X1 a little over a week ago.
Some of the 23/24 announcements between the Library of Birmingham and Five Ways don't seem to be there. I think it's because of the long term metro works
Quote from: mesub on December 27, 2018, 10:54:13 PM
Some of the 23/24 announcements between the Library of Birmingham and Five Ways don't seem to be there. I think it's because of the long term metro works
Presumably you are referring to the old style next stop announcements?
They are there on the new style announcements, when I was on 6860 the other week, it announced those stops, "Bakerville House", "King Edward Rd", "St Vincent St" etc.
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2018, 06:15:28 PM
Last time I checked, the Walsall, Wolverhampton, Acocks Green and Pensnett anouncements were working and correct @Dom and weren't missing stops out and announcing stops they don't serve.
X51 mentioning Booths Farm Road been sorted then?
Quote from: Kevin on December 28, 2018, 09:19:48 PM
X51 mentioning Booths Farm Road been sorted then?
Nope still there.
Quote from: Kevin on December 28, 2018, 09:19:48 PM
X51 mentioning Booths Farm Road been sorted then?
Still mentions it...
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2018, 10:55:32 PM
Presumably you are referring to the old style next stop announcements?
They are there on the new style announcements, when I was on 6860 the other week, it announced those stops, "Bakerville House", "King Edward Rd", "St Vincent St" etc.
They haven't rolled it out fully yet though
6828 on the X2 today was still mentioning, "Wagon Lane", "Brays Road" and "Deakins Road". Aren't they meant to of been fixed?
Quote from: Jack on December 29, 2018, 07:10:06 PM
Aren't they meant to of been fixed?
No, they haven't been fixed.
They've only fixed the BC announcements on 3 buses. So far, 6860, 6886 and 6845.
At 'heathway' X12 announces Next Stop is Millington Road when it is Shawsdale Road
Good question: Will NXWM utilise the stop announcement facilities on the hybrids? They might as well since I know for a fact that the 61 / 63 has stop announcements whenever a platinum wonders into the route
So apparently the next stop on the X21 after St Martin's Queensway is Cromwell Lane. According to 6855.
How many routes are programmed into the "Next Stop Announcements" at any particular garage, just the routes that the buses were purchased for, ie: at PN the 9 and the X10 or are other routes available as well such as the 6 & 126?
The new style announcements are much better, in my opinion. However, I caught 6856 today on the 23 and a few stops within the City Centre appear to be out-of-sync. I'm not sure whether this is the case with others. Just a small gripe, but worth sharing anyhow.
Scenario: 6856 leaves Colmore Row, and the announcement plays "Next Stop: Margaret Street". All is well and good, until the next announcement plays "Next Stop: Margaret Street", again. However, upon approach to the stop, the interior dot matrix displays the correct name for the stop - albeit not reading it out loud. This happened again right after we drove past the stop on Great Charles Street Queensway, when the announcements read out "Next Stop: Great Charles Street Queensway" - whilst displaying Baskerville House. The announcements resumed to the correct stops after Baskerville House.
In response to
@Jack in the BC thread, I can understand your annoyance, per se, regarding the announcements repeating their destination. In my opinion, they're not too bad. I get the repetition may be, well, repetitive but they seem to only play when the doors open/close - at least in my experience. For a busy route like the 50, I wouldn't be surprised if it was every stop! ;) I didn't hear a "23 to Bartley Green" from Colmore Row, until the end of Sheepcote Street, today!
Which reminds me, another small oddity on the new announcements... The stops serving 'Arena Birmingham' announces them as the 'National Indoor Arena'; a name that's not been used officially since 2014! (I rather like it, to be honest.. Who knows how soon they'll change the name again ;D)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 21, 2019, 04:05:34 PM
How many routes are programmed into the "Next Stop Announcements" at any particular garage, just the routes that the buses were purchased for, ie: at PN the 9 and the X10 or are other routes available as well such as the 6 & 126?
Wasn't it said that the Bristol Road have announcements on the Platinums?
Some proof that the Platinums have announcements for unallocated routes, perhaps? :o
Quote from: CL on January 23, 2019, 10:48:16 PM
The new style announcements are much better, in my opinion. However, I caught 6856 today on the 23 and a few stops within the City Centre appear to be out-of-sync. I'm not sure whether this is the case with others. Just a small gripe, but worth sharing anyhow.
Scenario: 6856 leaves Colmore Row, and the announcement plays "Next Stop: Margaret Street". All is well and good, until the next announcement plays "Next Stop: Margaret Street", again. However, upon approach to the stop, the interior dot matrix displays the correct name for the stop - albeit not reading it out loud. This happened again right after we drove past the stop on Great Charles Street Queensway, when the announcements read out "Next Stop: Great Charles Street Queensway" - whilst displaying Baskerville House. The announcements resumed to the correct stops after Baskerville House.
In response to @Jack in the BC thread, I can understand your annoyance, per se, regarding the announcements repeating their destination. In my opinion, they're not too bad. I get the repetition may be, well, repetitive but they seem to only play when the doors open/close - at least in my experience. For a busy route like the 50, I wouldn't be surprised if it was every stop! ;) I didn't hear a "23 to Bartley Green" from Colmore Row, until the end of Sheepcote Street, today!
Which reminds me, another small oddity on the new announcements... The stops serving 'Arena Birmingham' announces them as the 'National Indoor Arena'; a name that's not been used officially since 2014! (I rather like it, to be honest.. Who knows how soon they'll change the name again ;D)
Wasn't it said that the Bristol Road have announcements on the Platinums?
Some proof that the Platinums have announcements for unallocated routes, perhaps? :o
They used to have Pershore Rd announcements? Do they still have them now they've been updated?
The 529 has "The next stop is... x" followed by repeating the stop upon approach, and again if the bus stops. Prior to this it was just the latter two. Now in line with the other Walsall Platinums. Does seem strange though having two slightly offset tones, you can tell they have been stitched together. Much better though IMO.
Still wondering about the hybrids, they had announcements for the 22/23 back before they had MMCs. Every now and again the interior matrix screen says:
"Welcome aboard out hybrids" or
"Depot test"
Maybe they should add announcements since they hybrids have the facilities and it would only cost a bit of time.
Quote from: mesub on January 24, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
Still wondering about the hybrids, they had announcements for the 22/23 back before they had MMCs. Every now and again the interior matrix screen says:
"Welcome aboard out hybrids" or
"Depot test"
Maybe they should add announcements since they hybrids have the facilities and it would only cost a bit of time.
Thwy should roll out announcements on certain non platinum routes like the 4/4M has. Maybe the 34/39 which (usually) share branded busses. I'd say the 10/10A but there's little consistency to busses.
Is X70 getting next stop announcements being as it is now a 'platinum' route, and x12 announceents don't work on 6711
Quote from: mesub on January 24, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
Still wondering about the hybrids, they had announcements for the 22/23 back before they had MMCs. Every now and again the interior matrix screen says:
"Welcome aboard out hybrids" or
"Depot test"
Maybe they should add announcements since they hybrids have the facilities and it would only cost a bit of time.
they should have announcements for the Bristol road. If the hybrids had announcements on the 23/24, why can't Bristol road 61/63 have announcements?
Quote from: mrboshell on January 24, 2019, 09:54:00 PM
they should have announcements for the Bristol road. If the hybrids had announcements on the 23/24, why can't Bristol road 61/63 have announcements?
They didn't have announcements for the 24 it was just the 22/23. But yes, I am surprised that the BR services don't have them on the Geminis. I assumed they did untill someone mentioned it on here.
Quote from: Jack D on December 29, 2018, 07:47:27 PM
At 'heathway' X12 announces Next Stop is Millington Road when it is Shawsdale Road
Some of the X12 announcements also don't fit on the lower deck screen i've noticed, so some of it is chopped of.
They show "ational Exhibition Centre", rather than "National Exhibition Centre" chopping the N of.
My favorite memory of the old announcements (pre London, post Platinum) on the 23 was when the bus was going down from Harborne. It would go: The next stop is: Fredas Grove. The bus slips past Fredas Grove and then it would go Fellows Lane when the bus stopped there. It just showed the flaws of the old announcements system.
Have to say slightly disappointed with the update on the ☓20/☓21. I'd have thought it'd have said Gibbins Road - for Selly Oak Shopping Park. Especially in the case of the ☓21 which now has 2 announcements saying Gibbins Road (Outbound anyway).
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 16, 2019, 06:21:09 PM
Have to say slightly disappointed with the update on the ☓20/☓21. I'd have thought it'd have said Gibbins Road - for Selly Oak Shopping Park. Especially in the case of the ☓21 which now has 2 announcements saying Gibbins Road (Outbound anyway).
The X2 now displays X2 Solihull Station via Solihull (alternating between this and limited stop) as well on the destination displays. The first line already says it goes to Solihull, a bit pointless to mention it again I think. Should have displayed via Yardley & Sheldon in my opinion.
Other routes have changed there announcments, with the arrangement of announcments saying destination etc. Is x12 and Sutton routes going to do this?
Well the X20 is going to have to change it's announcements again very soon, so I'm surprised they've done it now.
Hopefully they bring back Mr Platinum this year.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on April 17, 2019, 09:06:36 AM
Hopefully they bring back Mr Platinum this year.
Are they doing the "route number... to... destination" announcements like on the 50 on all routes? X51 said on the display something like new next stop information coming soon & the Cannock extension has changed from Walsall.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on April 17, 2019, 10:48:57 AM
Are they doing the "route number... to... destination" announcements like on the 50 on all routes? X51 said on the display something like new next stop information coming soon & the Cannock extension has changed from Walsall.
All routes that have been updated in the last few months already have it. Not just the 50.
9, X10, 11, 12X at Pensnett and Coventry have a female voice.
X1, X2, 23, 24, X20, X21, X22 and 50 at Birmingham Central and Yardley Wood have a male voice.
Sutton Routes and X12 need the new male voice as theirs is a bit outdated, also is X70 getting next stop announcements
Perry Barr's Platinums announcements have been updated in the female voice and have also given the 907 announcements on them.
@Steve3229vp, looks like they are slowly making the 907 better.
82/7 has a women's voice
Quote from: Jack6101 on April 27, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
82/7 has a women's voice
When will they actually be consistent with the voice
X12 maybe getting this female voice then soon?
Quote from: Jack on April 27, 2019, 05:42:49 PM
Perry Barr's Platinums announcements have been updated in the female voice and have also given the 907 announcements on them. @Steve3229vp, looks like they are slowly making the 907 better.
Yes I think you're right Jack, I was disappointed the end up with a Scania one morning last week, but it has to be said that they're are rarity now thank goodness
Will the X70 be receiving Next Stop Announcements?
Quote from: Jack D on May 22, 2019, 07:21:40 PM
Will the X70 be receiving Next Stop Announcements?
Possibly, however it took a good while for the Harborne corridor (22/3/4/9) to get announcements initially, so I wouldn't get your hopes up so quickly
Edit: They still haven't updated the announcements for the 23, yet the X20 has been updated
I probably should have made a note of the fleet numbers, but I travelled on two different Platinum vehicles on the X20 today (Longbridge to Cofton Hackett, then Rednal to Northfield) and neither had any audio/visual announcements/displays.
Just an observation from the X8 platinums, I've noticed the next stop displays on board and the audio announcements no longer work when the bus is doing a " part route " journey to say Dudley or Blackheath. They used to work before the April display change / update and used to say the bus was terminating, all change please etc........It doesn't announce any stop at all either :-\
Does this happen on other routes that are doing part journeys too ? i.e 87 to Oldbury for example ?
Quote from: TT90 on June 11, 2019, 09:07:20 AM
Just an observation from the X8 platinums, I've noticed the next stop displays on board and the audio announcements no longer work when the bus is doing a " part route " journey to say Dudley or Blackheath. They used to work before the April display change / update and used to say the bus was terminating, all change please etc........It doesn't announce any stop at all either :-\
Does this happen on other routes that are doing part journeys too ? i.e 87 to Oldbury for example ?
They work on other Part Routes at PN. As far as I'm aware, I've never had to use one, but when I've pressed the wrong button it has stated '126 to Broad Street'.
6731 is still displaying old stops and Mr platinum probably down to off the road due to RTA.
Yesterday when the driver changed from X21 to X20 at Five Ways it said next stop "Chestnut Drive". Not sure where that is. A quick google search says Erdington!
That hasn't happened before but it might be because he changed it so early on.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 11, 2019, 02:33:03 PM
Yesterday when the driver changed from X21 to X20 at Five Ways it said next stop "Chestnut Drive". Not sure where that is. A quick google search says Erdington!
That hasn't happened before but it might be because he changed it so early on.
Cofton Hackett.
Something similar happened the other day when I was on a X2 towards Solihull which had entered service at the Swan where it said "Moor Street Queensway for Moor Street Station" after leaving the stop.
Also when I was on 6892 on a X20 to Birmingham few days back and the driver changed it to X21 Birmingham on George Road by Five Ways, though can't remember what it said.
Quote from: PB2938 on June 11, 2019, 01:47:23 PM
6731 is still displaying old stops on X51 and Mr platinum not updated probably down to off the road due to RTA.
Quote from: PB2938 on June 11, 2019, 01:47:23 PM
6731 is still displaying old stops and Mr platinum probably down to off the road due to RTA.
Probs because 6731 had been in a big crash recently and damaged its front.
6851 says improved next stop information coming soon, does that mean that there will be consistency with the announcer? If so what happened to Mr platinum?
Why hasn't X70 got any announcements yet?
Quote from: mesub on June 26, 2019, 07:52:05 AM
6851 says improved next stop information coming soon, does that mean that there will be consistency with the announcer? If so what happened to Mr platinum?
We will all miss Mr. platinum :'(
Quote from: Jack D on June 26, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
Why hasn't X70 got any announcements yet?
I'd imagine because it's an ex lea hall corridor and the management don't tend to plough as much resource on these corridors, I'd love to be corrected.
Does anyone think that NX should do next stop announcements for routes that occasionally have Platinums on them. For example the BC60 often gets spare Platinums off the X1/X2 and it just feels weird not having announcements on them
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 01, 2019, 10:22:24 PM
Does anyone think that NX should do next stop announcements for routes that occasionally have Platinums on them. For example the BC60 often gets spare Platinums off the X1/X2 and it just feels weird not having announcements on them
There's no point spending time and money on it if the route is not platinum.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on August 01, 2019, 10:24:55 PM
There's no point spending time and money on it if the route is not platinum.
Sorry but I disagree.
In Stourbridge, quite often you will get Platinums on the WN 16/17 and on the PN 6, 8, so if the equipment is provided why not let it be used instead of getting on the bus and the display scrolling NATIONAL EXPRESS WEST MIDLANDS. It can't take that much to record the extra announcements and i am sure adding them to the database on the bus is probably just as easy as updating the destination displays.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 01, 2019, 10:22:24 PM
Does anyone think that NX should do next stop announcements for routes that occasionally have Platinums
No I don't. Walsall non-platinum routes often have a Platinum on Sundays, mainly the Brownhills routes. Putting announcements on for those routes would detract value from the actual routes. It would be like selling waitrose food in a corner shop.
I feel like it should just display
60 to Birmingham even if there's no voice. At least you've got something
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 01, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Sorry but I disagree.
In Stourbridge, quite often you will get Platinums on the WN 16/17 and on the PN 6, 8, so if the equipment is provided why not let it be used instead of getting on the bus and the display scrolling NATIONAL EXPRESS WEST MIDLANDS. It can't take that much to record the extra announcements and i am sure adding them to the database on the bus is probably just as easy as updating the destination displays.
It can take hours to record these announcements. Anyway, most people don't care about the announcements (in some cases they can be quite irritating).
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on August 02, 2019, 01:00:54 PM
It can take hours to record these announcements. Anyway, most people don't care about the announcements (in some cases they can be quite irritating).
Really? These new female ones sound automated to me. As opposed to the previous ones. So perhaps they don't take as long / cost as much anymore?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 02, 2019, 01:05:14 PM
Really? These new female ones sound automated to me. As opposed to the previous ones. So perhaps they don't take as long / cost as much anymore?
No, they're recorded.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on August 02, 2019, 01:00:54 PM
It can take hours to record these announcements. Anyway, most people don't care about the announcements (in some cases they can be quite irritating).
Take hours to just read out a list of stop names, i think not unless you were recording a lot of routes at the same time and for example WN16/17 use the same stops between Stourbridge and Wallheath so that would save time.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 02, 2019, 02:08:23 PM
Take hours to just read out a list of stop names, i think not unless you were recording a lot of routes at the same time and for example WN16/17 use the same stops between Stourbridge and Wallheath so that would save time.
It's more than just reading out stop names. Every stop is a separate recording so you have to keep switching on and off the microphone for each stop recording you make. Also, you have to edit the recordings and some may need to be re-done. That is why it can take hours.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on August 02, 2019, 02:26:44 PM
It's more than just reading out stop names. Every stop is a separate recording so you have to keep switching on and off the microphone for each stop recording you make. Also, you have to edit the recordings and some may need to be re-done. That is why it can take hours.
So you have experience of this being done then?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 02, 2019, 02:30:17 PM
So you have experience of this being done then?
I never said I did. I've seen a video of automated airport announcements being produced - same principal.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on August 02, 2019, 02:33:47 PM
I never said I did. I've seen a video of automated airport announcements being produced - same principal.
Maybe the same principal but you have no idea whether the same happens in this case.
When London started to do IBus announcements, do you think that Emma Hignett really sat there and for each of the 30,000 announcements she made, she started the recording equipment and stopped it again. From what i remember of an interview I heard with her, a couple of pages worth of announcements were recorded in a chunk, then they were sent for editing where any errors where removed and they were then chopped into bits to be used.
Anyone noticed that a few routes on the NXWM website display grand central as a stop? For example the N60 from Wolves - Bloxwich has grand central as the first inbound stop - https://nxbus.co.uk/routes/west-midlands/B060w/?timetable[day]=&tab=
I was on 6876 on the 24 to Birmingham and I feel like the old announcements were better. The female voice seems to rush it a bit more than Mr. Platinum.
Is every bus service getting the female voice as for example x12 still has the old recording of mr platinum
Quote from: mesub on August 03, 2019, 07:47:46 PM
I was on 6876 on the 24 to Birmingham and I feel like the old announcements were better. The female voice seems to rush it a bit more than Mr. Platinum.
To be honest I thought this a little hearing them on the 16 but I could really tell the difference this morning on 6857.
Also off subject but I notice Newman University is in block capitals now on the 23. Still says Bartley Green though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 05, 2019, 07:12:46 AM
Also off subject but I notice Newman University is in block capitals now on the 23. Still says Bartley Green though.
Yeah I noticed this earlier today
Quote from: mesub on August 05, 2019, 08:06:50 PM
Yeah I noticed this earlier today
And the stops in the City Centre display 'Shenley Fields'.... can they not make their mind up?!
Quote from: Jack on August 06, 2019, 01:55:03 PM
And the stops in the City Centre display 'Shenley Fields'.... can they not make their mind up?!
Ywah it's been like that for a while. So do the stops for the X21 but neither go there.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 06, 2019, 05:02:44 PM
Ywah it's been like that for a while. So do the stops for the X21 but neither go there.
The stops in Solihull also display "73 Alum Rock".
Most would probably think it terminates on the Alum Rock Road, rather than at Heartlands if they read that.
How come the 23 doesn't have announcements for part routes anymore? I remember there was a time when it did.
All of the new announcements are getting there. Although the new 1 announcements are a little bit misleading as the Burton Rd Bishop Milner Stop has now been named Bishop Milner College not School. The stop on the announcements should be re done back to Bishop Milner School.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 07, 2019, 03:21:39 PM
All of the new announcements are getting there. Although the new 1 announcements are a little bit misleading as the Burton Rd Bishop Milner Stop has now been named Bishop Milner College not School. The stop on the announcements should be re done back to Bishop Milner School.
it is Bishop Milnor Catholic College so the announcement is correct
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2019, 03:45:10 PM
it is Bishop Milnor Catholic College so the announcement is correct
To my knologe it's always been known as a school not a college. So I'll have to disagree with you there. I have just checked and you are right although the address still states its a school not a college. As I said it's alway going to be known as the school in my eye as that's all I've know it to be. Also does the stop falg say college?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 07, 2019, 04:00:09 PM
To my knologe it's always been known as a school not a college. So I'll have to disagree with you there. I have just checked and you are right although the address still states its a school not a college. As I said it's alway going to be known as the school in my eye as that's all I've know it to be. Also does the stop falg say college?
Can't see the word school anywhere here
http://www.bmilner.dudley.sch.uk/
Will the 4/4H/4M be having their announcements fixed and updated?
Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2019, 04:22:34 PM
Will the 4/4H/4M be having their announcements fixed and updated?
Whats wrong with them
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 07, 2019, 03:21:39 PM
All of the new announcements are getting there.
Nice to see that. Is it still the same voice or have they used something else for it?
Quote from: mesub on December 07, 2019, 07:15:00 PM
Nice to see that. Is it still the same voice or have they used something else for it?
On some of the voices they have changed the voice but on others the same person is saying the stop names.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on December 07, 2019, 06:12:51 PM
Whats wrong with them
The 4H's only work up until Halesowen, they don't work round the Hayley Green loop. And the majority of them don't work. 1851, 1853, 1859, 1862, 1879, 1880 are the ones I know that don't work.
It'd be nice if they kept the same voice with the Black Country accent though.
Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2019, 09:58:50 PM
The 4H's only work up until Halesowen, they don't work round the Hayley Green loop. And the majority of them don't work. 1851, 1853, 1859, 1862, 1879, 1880 are the ones I know that don't work.
It'd be nice if they kept the same voice with the Black Country accent though.
How come the 4/H/M has announcements but routes that have Scanias as their main allocation such as the 17 and the 28 doesn't?
Also does the new 2/2A have the announcements carried over from the old 222?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 07, 2019, 10:23:07 PM
How come the 4/H/M has announcements but routes that have Scanias as their main allocation such as the 17 and the 28 doesn't?
Also does the new 2/2A have the announcements carried over from the old 222?
I don't know... I've always thought the 28 should have announcements like the 4.
No, because they didn't bother re-making them since they split it into two routes.
Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2019, 10:29:58 PM
I don't know... I've always thought the 28 should have announcements like the 4.
The 61/63 hasn't got announcements either, even though the B5LH had announcements for the 22/23.
I agree and the 61XX E400 MMC on the 11 should as well, I don't see why it should just be reserved for platinum buses.
Quote from: 2206 on December 07, 2019, 10:57:30 PM
The 61/63 hasn't got announcements either, even though the B5LH had announcements for the 22/23.
I agree and the 61XX E400 MMC on the 11 should as well, I don't see why it should just be reserved for platinum buses.
The 11 would be a good candidate for next stop announcements as it connects pretty much everywhere
Quote from: 2206 on December 07, 2019, 10:57:30 PM
The 61/63 hasn't got announcements either, even though the B5LH had announcements for the 22/23.
I agree and the 61XX E400 MMC on the 11 should as well, I don't see why it should just be reserved for platinum buses.
This was pointed out before but someone said it's a platinum feature. But the 4/4H/4M and 1 aren't platinum so that point is redundant.
Also I agree on the 11 as it's such a key route.
I agree with the 11 having announcements. What about the 8 as that's equally important.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 11:16:47 AM
I agree with the 11 having announcements. What about the 8 as that's equally important.
What about all the high frequency routes having next stop announcements? Considering that most of them are Platinum, that shouldn't take long.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2019, 01:03:27 PM
What about all the high frequency routes having next stop announcements? Considering that most of them are Platinum, that shouldn't take long.
I agree, that would be good to have all high frequency routes having next stop announcements.
There are still loads of non platinum high frequency routes - 11A/11C, 28, 4/4A, WB 5, 55/94, 61/63, 45/47, 17, 65, 67, 74, 97, 17, 14, 72, etc. And none of these have announcements.
So probably will be awhile yet, before all the high frequency routes have them.
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
I agree, that would be good to have all high frequency routes having next stop announcements.
There are still loads of non platinum high frequency routes - 11A/11C, 28, 4/4A, 4/4H/4M, 5, 55, 94, 61/63, 45/47, 17, 65, 67, 74, 97, 17, 14, 72, etc. So probably will be awhile yet.
The 4/4H/4M have already got announcements. I grant you not all of the buses on those services do have announcements but the overall services has got them.
I think NX focus on the Platinum services for announcements and not any normal service like 11A/C. I do understand that all high frequency routes should have announcements.
I prefer that voice to the new Mrs Platinum. The Bilston 34, 37, 39 could have them they use consistent buses.
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
I agree, that would be good to have all high frequency routes having next stop announcements.
There are still loads of non platinum high frequency routes - 11A/11C, 28, 4/4A, WB 5, 55/94, 61/63, 45/47, 17, 65, 67, 74, 97, 17, 14, 72, etc. And none of these have announcements.
So probably will be awhile yet, before all the high frequency routes have them.
You put 17 twice. Do you mean the WN17?
The 'audio/visual' next-stop announcements don't just happen by magic.
First of all the bus needs the appropriate equipment installed and fitted.
Then audio recordings need to be made, and loaded into the onboard system.
Yes, some of the Omnilinks at Walsall for the 4/4H/4M have the equipment installed, and of course all new Platinum vehicles have this installed as standard.
While it might be nice for a route like the Outer Circle 11A/C to have onboard announcements, those vehicles do not have the necessary equipment installed for this to be possible, and same applies for other vehicles in the fleet.
As there would be a huge cost involved in doing so, I find it unlikely that National Express would consider retrofitting the onboard audio/visual display equipment in all its older vehicles lacking this equipment.
Quote from: Stu on December 08, 2019, 06:47:04 PM
The 'audio/visual' next-stop announcements don't just happen by magic.
First of all the bus needs the appropriate equipment installed and fitted.
Then audio recordings need to be made, and loaded into the onboard system.
Yes, some of the Omnilinks at Walsall for the 4/4H/4M have the equipment installed, and of course all new Platinum vehicles have this installed as standard.
While it might be nice for a route like the Outer Circle 11A/C to have onboard announcements, those vehicles do not have the necessary equipment installed for this to be possible, and same applies for other vehicles in the fleet.
As there would be a huge cost involved in doing so, I find it unlikely that National Express would consider retrofitting the onboard audio/visual display equipment in all its older vehicles lacking this equipment.
I'm sure people know that. It was just a suggestion.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on December 08, 2019, 04:12:07 PM
I prefer that voice to the new Mrs Platinum. The Bilston 34, 37, 39 could have them they use consistent buses.
Are you referring to the types used on the route, as they use Scanias & E200's mainly, with the odd B7LRE(which is the board that doesn't keep interworking between the routes, from what Tony told me, when I asked!), so there'd be a few types to fit the equipment.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
The 4/4H/4M have already got announcements. I grant you not all of the buses on those services do have announcements but the overall services has got them.
If you read what I put (clearly didn't), the 4H announcements are outdated, they only work up to Halesowen, also the majority of the Omnilinks that supposed to have them haven't work for ages, 1862's haven't worked since 2016.
Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere but the next stop announcements aren't working on the new WN8 service. Anyone know if this is being rectified soon ?
Presume they still work on the WNX8 ?
Quote from: TT90 on February 01, 2020, 03:14:59 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere but the next stop announcements aren't working on the new WN8 service. Anyone know if this is being rectified soon ?
Presume they still work on the WNX8 ?
Hi
@TT90.
To answer both of your questions.
Firstly that are probably still working on the NSA on the WN8.
Secondly the NSA does still work on the WNX8.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 01, 2020, 03:22:24 PM
Hi @TT90.
To answer both of your questions.
Firstly that are probably still working on the NSA on the WN8.
Secondly the NSA does still work on the WNX8.
Thanks for your help, much appreciated 😉
Quote from: TT90 on February 01, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
Thanks for your help, much appreciated 😉
Noticed some yesterday in Dudley that were branded 8 and X8 and im sure I spotted '8 to Wolverhampton' on the top deck as one passed but cant be sure.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on February 01, 2020, 03:55:57 PM
Noticed some yesterday in Dudley that were branded 8 and X8 and im sure I spotted '8 to Wolverhampton' on the top deck as one passed but cant be sure.
Hi @I.murphy123
They may have updated some of the NSA tp show 8 and the next stop. As I know it's an ongoing process just like service 1 to Tettenhall Wood.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 02, 2020, 03:03:23 PM
Hi @I.murphy123
They may have updated some of the NSA tp show 8 and the next stop. As I know it's an ongoing process just like service 1 to Tettenhall Wood.
I got the number 1 friday night late as it was the first bus leaving for Wolverhampton. It was the hybrid with green branding inside.
**update just found the next stop announcements on youtube and it's brilliant haha!**
The X70 is advertised on the NXBus site as to have next stop announcements are these going to be added?
Quote from: Jack D on January 16, 2021, 01:34:21 PM
The X70 is advertised on the NXBus site as to have next stop announcements are these going to be added?
Do they not have them?
Quote from: mesub on January 16, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
Do they not have them?
I went on 7523 on the X70 and it had a star next to the left corner of the dest.
Quote from: bbs on January 16, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
I went on 7523 on the X70 and it had a star next to the left corner of the dest.
Tom Jones, Elvis Presley?
UB40?
Quote from: bbs on January 16, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
I went on 7523 on the X70 and it had a star next to the left corner of the dest.
Yea that happens sometimes for some reason. It should be fine for most other buses though.
Have the announcements gone completely now on the 4, 4M (Walsall) and 1 (Wolverhampton)? On a side note Diamond are trialling them in places.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 18, 2021, 04:00:49 PM
Have the announcements gone completely now on the 4, 4M (Walsall) and 1 (Wolverhampton)? On a side note Diamond are trialling them in places.
They've definitely taken them off the 4, and have been for some time now. As for the 1, I'm sure they're still on. Not used it in a while, so not 100% sure. Hope they have taken them off though, god they were awful!
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2021, 04:16:24 PM
They've definitely taken them off the 4, and have been for some time now. As for the 1, I'm sure they're still on. Not used it in a while, so not 100% sure. Hope they have taken them off though, god they were awful!
I believe the ones on the 1 were changed recently-ish, to the standard NX announcements.
Quote from: DJ on January 18, 2021, 04:29:26 PM
I believe the ones on the 1 were changed recently-ish, to the standard NX announcements.
Ah right. Still don't like the voice NX now use, but it's better than the old one. Bring back Mr Platinum!
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2021, 05:00:33 PM
Ah right. Still don't like the voice NX now use, but it's better than the old one. Bring back Mr Platinum!
I feel like standard platinum routes could have kept Mr Platinum and then electric routes could have Miss Electric.
Does anybody know if the X529 is getting next stop announcements?
Quote from: Uptight on January 19, 2021, 01:01:56 AM
Does anybody know if the X529 is getting next stop announcements?
I'd imagine so at some point. There's nothing new that needs to be recorded, just the stop recordings put in the right order.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 08:20:12 AM
I'd imagine so at some point. There's nothing new that needs to be recorded, just the stop recordings put in the right order.
This stop is Wolverhampton. Our next stop is Walsall.
(I know there's more stops, but that thought did make me chuckle).
Quote from: Uptight on January 19, 2021, 01:01:56 AM
Does anybody know if the X529 is getting next stop announcements?
Not very often do I see platinums on it when im in Wolverhampton so im sure there's no rush.
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2021, 05:00:33 PM
Ah right. Still don't like the voice NX now use, but it's better than the old one. Bring back Mr Platinum!
I agree bring back Mr Platinum! As the the 4/4M they could have left tge screen running at least.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 19, 2021, 07:43:15 PM
I agree bring back Mr Platinum! As the the 4/4M they could have left tge screen running at least.
I don't know why they decided to take the announcements off the 4s. I quite liked them.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 08:49:12 PM
I don't know why they decided to take the announcements off the 4s. I quite liked them.
I noticed that they started to stop working when the dests changed to the new style.
Quote from: Uptight on January 20, 2021, 12:03:28 AM
I noticed that they started to stop working when the dests changed to the new style.
Looking at the destination control unit, it seemed like the number to select the journey had changed (for example the 23 used to be 000X but since one of the minor service changes it's moved to 100X, which has stopped announcements working on the hybrids)
Quote from: mesub on January 20, 2021, 05:33:35 PM
Looking at the destination control unit, it seemed like the number to select the journey had changed (for example the 23 used to be 000X but since one of the minor service changes it's moved to 100X, which has stopped announcements working on the hybrids)
Can you explain that please?
You don't select the journey on the destination control unit, only the service number, and you put in the service number itself, not a code.
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2021, 05:37:44 PM
Can you explain that please?
You don't select the journey on the destination control unit, only the service number, and you put in the service number itself, not a code.
Yes. You do put a service number and then you'll have to select the destination
Quote from: mesub on January 20, 2021, 05:53:29 PM
Yes. You do put a service number and then you'll have to select the destination
Yes, but what is this 000X & 100X you are on about?
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
Yes, but what is this 000X & 100X you are on about?
Once the destination is set:
In the middle of the display unit screen is the route number and destination
Along the bottom of the screen (above the actual buttons), is the number of the route and another number, which I guess is used internally by the destination (and some other stuff).
Here's what I mean in the attachment (0999). I've probably just been giving it the wrong name.
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2021, 05:56:26 PM
Yes, but what is this 000X & 100X you are on about?
I think he is referring to the destination code, I.e 0023 0001 (1 taking the place in 000X) would be for Bartley Green.
Quote from: Pat on January 20, 2021, 07:04:33 PM
I think he is referring to the destination code, I.e 0023 0001 (1 taking the place in 000X) would be for Bartley Green.
Yes!
Quote from: mesub on January 20, 2021, 07:50:26 PM
Yes!
Right, yes I understand what you mean now. Instead of it being say 0023 0001 for Bartley Green, it is now 0023 1000? Seems strange, as Adeon (the people who programme the blinds) have put the destination code, Bartley Green in this case, as 1000 instead of 1.
Quote from: Pat on January 20, 2021, 08:44:41 PM
Right, yes I understand what you mean now. Instead of it being say 0023 0001 for Bartley Green, it is now 0023 1000? Seems strange, as Adeon (the people who programme the blinds) have put the destination code, Bartley Green in this case, as 1000 instead of 1.
Not sure about right now as I haven't been on a bus since December, but at some point yes. I'm pretty sure it was an the time the announcements were changed to Miss Electric.
When did the 51 gain NSA's had 6754 on there this morning and was surprised to hear them.
Just travelled home on the 2 on 7536, first time I've ever heard next-stop announcements working on the 2/3.
What routes have next stop announcements, I've heard that there are some non platinum routes with with but I'm not sure which ones
Quote from: SN65 OMC on June 24, 2021, 08:08:02 PM
What routes have next stop announcements, I've heard that there are some non platinum routes with with but I'm not sure which ones
2/3, 45/47, 61/63, 51, 97 are some that I know of...
Quote from: SN65 OMC on June 24, 2021, 08:08:02 PM
What routes have next stop announcements, I've heard that there are some non platinum routes with with but I'm not sure which ones
I think most services have now
Quote from: bbs on June 24, 2021, 10:52:37 PM
4/4A?
Check next time one of the Platinum vehicles is used on there.
Of course, next stop announcements won't work on vehicles that don't have the necessary equipment installed. ::)
Quote from: Stu on June 25, 2021, 10:28:58 AM
Check next time one of the Platinum vehicles is used on there.
Of course, next stop announcements won't work on vehicles that don't have the necessary equipment installed. ::)
7513 on 94 doesn't have any announcements today. So 55 probably doesn't either.
Quote from: 2206 on June 25, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
7513 on 94 doesn't have any announcements today. So 55 probably doesn't either.
I was responding to a comment about the 4 / 4A services. Which in turn was a response to a comment that Tony made.
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2021, 08:22:03 PM
I think most services have now
So it is fair to assume that:
- vehicles without necessary equipment won't have next stop announcements
- vehicles with the necessary equipment will only have next stop announcements where all routes have been programmed in
7513 is a PB vehicle, and may not yet have all NSA data imported for all PB routes. 55 is a BC service, using BC vehicles, so you can't just assume that this service doesn't have such NSA on that basis.
Quote from: Stu on June 25, 2021, 08:20:17 PM
I was responding to a comment about the 4 / 4A services. Which in turn was a response to a comment that Tony made.
So it is fair to assume that:
- vehicles without necessary equipment won't have next stop announcements
- vehicles with the necessary equipment will only have next stop announcements where all routes have been programmed in
7513 is a PB vehicle, and may not yet have all NSA data imported for all PB routes. 55 is a BC service, using BC vehicles, so you can't just assume that this service doesn't have such NSA on that basis.
7513 I think is one of our buses that the announcements don't work at all
Quote from: John on June 25, 2021, 08:30:05 PM
7513 I think is one of our buses that the announcements don't work at all
Yes it is, people quickly assuming as always... the majority of the 16 branded ones don't seem to work... 6797/8, 6801 are a few from the first batch that don't work either.
Quote from: 2206 on June 25, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
7513 on 94 doesn't have any announcements today. So 55 probably doesn't either.
You do realise that PB currently only have their Platinum services programmed in, unlike BC...
I've seen Walsall's Platties on other routes, the other day I saw one on the 41 for instance.
Are all their routes programmed in as well, or in process?
Has 55 got them yet?
"Your next stop is... (sigh) Overgreen Drive. Good luck."
Pensnett x10 been updated for broad st
Edgbaston Metro anybody
Maybe it's just my bad hearing but sounds like the 16 NSA have been changed slightly as the tone sounds different.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 24, 2023, 08:08:13 AMMaybe it's just my bad hearing but sounds like the 16 NSA have been changed slightly as the tone sounds different.
6826 and 6828 now have their announcements sound different when I caught them on the 907, also now their NSA Displays come on and off during the journey approaching and saying the stop. Different to when they was at BC.
Quote6826 and 6828 now have their announcements sound different when I caught them on the 907, also now their NSA Displays come on and off during the journey approaching and saying the stop. Different to when they was at BC.
Same with the 6, they come off and on. They sound more robotic like the coventry one's
Yeah it definitely sounded more robotic. Gotta say I preferred them as they were.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 24, 2023, 10:55:09 AMYeah it definitely sounded more robotic. Gotta say I preferred them as they were.
They will have been updated to reflect changed stop names, as well as new stops where the route has changed, eg the 2 at YW.
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2023, 12:08:51 PMThey will have been updated to reflect changed stop names, as well as new stops where the route has changed, eg the 2 at YW.
I was talking about the change in the voice not specific stops.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 24, 2023, 01:47:57 PMI was talking about the change in the voice not specific stops.
They probably couldn't get the voice actor that did the previous announcements back in for one reason or the other. Or maybe they thought this robotic voice was the way forward.
I do miss the "Mr Platinum" voice though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 24, 2023, 01:47:57 PMI was talking about the change in the voice not specific stops.
The voice is the same, as far as I can tell, but there is a slightly different 'tone' to it. Only heard it once so far though, on the 3 last week.
Quote from: mesub on November 24, 2023, 07:09:20 PMThey probably couldn't get the voice actor that did the previous announcements back in for one reason or the other. Or maybe they thought this robotic voice was the way forward.
They're probably all computer generated, even the previous ones (maybe even Mr Platinum was!)
I agree I much prefer Mr Platinum too.
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2023, 07:26:39 PMThe voice is the same, as far as I can tell, but there is a slightly different 'tone' to it. Only heard it once so far though, on the 3 last week.
They're probably all computer generated, even the previous ones (maybe even Mr Platinum was!)
Yes, that's what i said this morning the tone seems different. I've only heard it on the 16 though, as the X21 is still using outdated NSA.
QuoteI agree I much prefer Mr Platinum too.
The current sound is much more fitting
To be fair I'm not sure what benefit is gained by the NSA disappearing from the screen between each stop. Maybe it's an error because it does seem to flicker a little on the next stop before disappearing.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 25, 2023, 04:31:31 PMTo be fair I'm not sure what benefit is gained by the NSA disappearing from the screen between each stop. Maybe it's an error because it does seem to flicker a little on the next stop before disappearing.
I first came across this last week while on E007 on the 3, my first thought was maybe it was a fault somewhere, but if it is common on other vehicles that have had the systems updated, then I would assume this is either intentional, or there is a 'coding' error somewhere.
I hope it is not intentional as I don't see this being particularly helpful to passengers, especially deaf ones or those wearing headphones.
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2023, 07:26:39 PMThe voice is the same, as far as I can tell, but there is a slightly different 'tone' to it. Only heard it once so far though, on the 3 last week.
They're probably all computer generated, even the previous ones (maybe even Mr Platinum was!)
Mr Platinum wasn't (as per here (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5305.msg248822#msg248822))
I wonder if NX will bother putting NSA on the Merry Hill X21 trips. Probably not as I don't think any tendered routes tend to have NSA.
Quote from: mesub on November 25, 2023, 07:09:38 PMMr Platinum wasn't (as per here (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5305.msg248822#msg248822))
OK, so he wasn't, and I stand corrected!
But the current 'female' voice probably is computer generated, and it probably makes more sense now to use a computer generated voice, with the increased number of Platinum routes, as it solves the problem if the same voice actor is unavailable to provide new announcements as and when needed at a later date.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 26, 2023, 05:10:18 PMI wonder if NX will bother putting NSA on the Merry Hill X21 trips. Probably not as I don't think any tendered routes tend to have NSA.
Maybe they have, I don't know, I haven't had need to travel on the X21 to find out for myself.
Makes no difference if a route is tendered or not, the 5 (AG) is part-subsidised by TfWM and that has next-stop announcements.
By 2026, all buses will be required to have audio/visual next stop announcements anyway.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2023/04/all-buses-required-to-have-next-stop-announcements-from-october-2026/
QuoteI wonder if NX will bother putting NSA on the Merry Hill X21 trips. Probably not as I don't think any tendered routes tend to have NSA.
Hopefully soon. The X22 announcements need sorting as well (only works from St Peter's Church when heading toward Birmingham, and it doesn't work at all when heading towards Bartley Green).
The female voice isn't "computer generated". It's Elinor Hamilton.
I noticed they changed the pronunciation on 'Glenavon Road' on the 50
Quote from: Stu on November 26, 2023, 06:25:39 PMOK, so he wasn't, and I stand corrected!
But the current 'female' voice probably is computer generated, and it probably makes more sense now to use a computer generated voice, with the increased number of Platinum routes, as it solves the problem if the same voice actor is unavailable to provide new announcements as and when needed at a later date.
Maybe they have, I don't know, I haven't had need to travel on the X21 to find out for myself.
Makes no difference if a route is tendered or not, the 5 (AG) is part-subsidised by TfWM and that has next-stop announcements.
By 2026, all buses will be required to have audio/visual next stop announcements anyway.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2023/04/all-buses-required-to-have-next-stop-announcements-from-october-2026/
They definitely don't, as I've travelled on a few of the Merry Hill journeys now (not to Merry Hill I may add), including today on the way home from work. As soon as the display changes to Merry Hill it reverts to the standard 'National Express West Midlands' screen and there's nothing. Probably just as well, X21 to Merry Hill would probably be the weirdest thing I've heard all year.
I wasn't aware of the requirement by 2026 though, that's interesting. What's also interesting in that article, is the 'start of diversions'. I noticed when I was in Edinburgh that their NSAs include things like that, and also shows connections to other buses on the screen. Generally the amount of info shown on the screen was impressive.
Quote from: mesub on November 26, 2023, 07:19:57 PMHopefully soon. The X22 announcements need sorting as well (only works from St Peter's Church when heading toward Birmingham, and it doesn't work at all when heading towards Bartley Green).
Well yeah, I mean I don't travel on the X21 as far as Bartley Green but I imagine they mess up around that same part too for the same reason. In addition, there's still the issue of many buses
still having the Commonwealth Games diversion NSA on them. I thought to myself when they changed some buses to reflect it at the time that this would probably end up happening. They were a good idea, but in hindsight I think instead of updating random buses with the diversion NSA, which appears to be what happened, they probably should've just done the branded ones only, at least then once the diversion was over you'd know which ones to revert back.
What would be the likelihood of the 11a/c getting NSA in the future? It would help so much if it did happen
Hearing it again I don't think the tone of the voice on the 16 NSA has changed apart from the word 'to' which has been made longer for some reason.
Quote from: Dababa015 on November 27, 2023, 08:05:56 AMWhat would be the likelihood of the 11a/c getting NSA in the tuture? It would help so much if it did happen
As the 61XX and 22XX could probably still be in service in 2026. Guessing they will have NSA added at some point maybe?
Quote from: 2206 on November 27, 2023, 02:52:31 PMAs the 61XX and 22XX could probably still be in service in 2026. Guessing they will have NSA added at some point maybe?
They should be, they'll only be 11 years old by then !
QuoteWhat would be the likelihood of the 11a/c getting NSA in the tuture? It would help so much if it did happen
I believe by 2027 every bus route is required to have NSAs so it's definitely possible the current 61** and 22** can get NSA, they still have a long life span and the hybrids also have NSAs
Quote from: BBS on November 27, 2023, 07:47:01 PMI believe by 2027 every bus route is required to have NSAs so it's definitely possible the current 61** and 22** can get NSA, they still have a long life span and the hybrids also have NSAs
The hybrids (Wright bodied ones) use a different system, which is apparently hard to update. It's a shame they aren't used though.
Quote from: 2206 on November 27, 2023, 02:52:31 PMAs the 61XX and 22XX could probably still be in service in 2026. Guessing they will have NSA added at some point maybe?
I find it strange that buses dating from 2015 do not have speakers installed even if they weren't initially to be used.
Quote from: cardew on November 28, 2023, 05:50:04 PMI find it strange that buses dating from 2015 do not have speakers installed even if they weren't initially to be used.
In 2015 next stop announcements were a new thing on ordinary bus routes very few buses from any operator had them, only the 'premium' brands
OK, so after travelling home on 7538 this evening on the 3, I'm not sure if the onboard NSA systems have been updated again, but the displays stayed on throughout the journey, and correctly showed the stop names that have been changed recently (Ludlow Court, Brunswick Road, Chesterton Road etc).
The geolocation of the Brunswick Road stop (from city, formerly Fulham Road) is also now correct.
I wonder how much Birmingham Moseley Rugby Club paid to have "for Moseley Stadium" added to the announcements for the Billesley Common and Mayford Grove stops? :azn:
Not sure if this is a better place than the oddities thread but... I noticed today that 6918 doesn't have any next stop announcements on the 9. It announces the route and the destination then nothing until it is changed to go back again.
Currently on 7528 which appears to now have new style NSA for the X21 so maybe the X22 has been sorted too.
Also the rear display has lost the via points same as the X22 (Also saw a 23 in the same fashion but the 16 has stayed the same from what I've seen). Not sure why, but if the display was going to change could've put Selly Oak on the same line as Weoley Castle while they were at it.
Most of the NSA changes to the X21 make more sense than the previous ones so that's a plus.
Quote from: Stu on November 28, 2023, 07:28:21 PMOK, so after travelling home on 7538 this evening on the 3, I'm not sure if the onboard NSA systems have been updated again, but the displays stayed on throughout the journey, and correctly showed the stop names that have been changed recently (Ludlow Court, Brunswick Road, Chesterton Road etc).
The geolocation of the Brunswick Road stop (from city, formerly Fulham Road) is also now correct.
Same bus this evening, but on the 2 this time.
Displays for 'next stop' flash and go off straight away.
Must be some kind of coding issue, as it works fine when on the 3.
Quote from: Stu on December 05, 2023, 07:14:57 PMSame bus this evening, but on the 2 this time.
Displays for 'next stop' flash and go off straight away.
Must be some kind of coding issue, as it works fine when on the 3.
Have the rear destination displays changed for the 2/3?
Is there any plans of the 4/4A getting NSA?
It's probably unlikely but could happen as there isn't one route that goes past AG with NSA
Just boarded 6997 and the NSA screen appears to be stuck on "this is the last trip on your journey, please make sure to take everything with you, thank you for travelling with National Express West Midlands". So looks like another new change as I've not seen that before.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 07, 2023, 04:43:14 PMJust boarded 6997 and the NSA screen appears to be stuck on "this is the last trip on your journey, please make sure to take everything with you, thank you for travelling with National Express West Midlands". So looks like another new change as I've not seen that before.
I think i heard that before on the 50 (I usually go all the way to Druids heath)
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on December 07, 2023, 04:47:10 PMI think i heard that before on the 50 (I usually go all the way to Druids heath)
It must be a new update though because they used to just say "this bus terminates here"
Quote from: BBS on December 06, 2023, 12:22:46 AMIs there any plans of the 4/4A getting NSA?
Quote from: Dababa015 on December 07, 2023, 07:13:00 AMIt's probably unlikely but could happen as there isn't one route that goes past AG with NSA
At some point, yes. All buses are expected to have onboard announcements by 2026. There are question marks over the cost/viability of retrofitting the required equipment into buses that don't already have this, but there is some funding that can be provided.
The way that NX are replacing their fleet though, there may not be many vehicles without this equipment left by 2026!
As far as I am aware, AG originally had 10 Platinum MMCs, but only had NSAs recorded for the 5 route as (at the time) it was their only Platinum service.
Idea for the NSA,
When you're arriving at the terminus, can it say:
"Next stop Solihull Station, where this bus terminates"?
Or
"Next stop Chelmsley Wood, where this bus terminates"?
I think this will really help people who don't know where the terminus is, such as tourists.
Could majorly help on 'E' routes too.
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on December 09, 2023, 02:22:51 PMIdea for the NSA,
When you're arriving at the terminus, can it say:
"Next stop Solihull Station, where this bus terminates"?
Or
"Next stop Chelmsley Wood, where this bus terminates"?
I think this will really help people who don't know where the terminus is, such as tourists.
Could majorly help on 'E' routes too.
Could just change the terminus stop to say "Last stop" instead of next stop.
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on December 09, 2023, 02:22:51 PMIdea for the NSA,
When you're arriving at the terminus, can it say:
"Next stop Solihull Station, where this bus terminates"?
Or
"Next stop Chelmsley Wood, where this bus terminates"?
I think this will really help people who don't know where the terminus is, such as tourists.
Could majorly help on 'E' routes too.
Don't see why not, I mean they have done so on trains for a long time now.
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on December 09, 2023, 02:22:51 PMIdea for the NSA,
When you're arriving at the terminus, can it say:
"Next stop Solihull Station, where this bus terminates"?
Or
"Next stop Chelmsley Wood, where this bus terminates"?
I think this will really help people who don't know where the terminus is, such as tourists.
Could majorly help on 'E' routes too.
That's actually helpful and informative, and definitely benefits passengers.
I thought this was done already, though I must admit I've not travelled on many routes to their terminus to confirm this.
Certainly on travelling into Birmingham city centre, the announcements get 'confused' when the driver logs onto the next journey in advance of the terminus.
QuoteAs far as I am aware, AG originally had 10 Platinum MMCs, but only had NSAs recorded for the 5 route as (at the time) it was their only Platinum service.
The X12 also did back when it was AG
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 09, 2023, 07:49:46 PMCould just change the terminus stop to say "Last stop" instead of next stop.
I think "next stop..." would be more beneficial as people are used to hearing "next stop".
If "last stop" was used, people may mistakenly hear "next stop" as they're so used to it.
Quote from: Stu on December 09, 2023, 08:36:49 PMThat's actually helpful and informative, and definitely benefits passengers.
I thought this was done already, though I must admit I've not travelled on many routes to their terminus to confirm this.
Certainly on travelling into Birmingham city centre, the announcements get 'confused' when the driver logs onto the next journey in advance of the terminus.
I was in Edinburgh last week, travelling on a lot of Lothian services (mainly to the terminus), and I kept hearing "...where this bus terminates." so it got me thinking 'why don't we have this?'
It looks like over Christmas, the rollout of the new style rear destination displays, as well as the update in stop announcements (for certain stops) has been expanded (at least at BC). I suspect it was done at the same time as removing the WiFi from the buses.
There do seem to be some teething issues though. Whilst the audio plays fine, the internal LEDs seems to display the information for a split second before going blank. They only properly work when the bus has reached a stop (i.e., the bus is at a bus stop with its doors open).
Yeah there appeared to have been a mass rollout across BC vehicles yesterday. As it wasn't like that the day before.
Regarding the screen, to be fair I was on 6845 yesterday and the NSAs stayed on the screen in between stops rather than disappearing so I'm sure it will be sorted across the board soon. I am wondering whether buses with long-term dead NSA such as 6870 and 6883 will be fixed with this update.
Also I saw a 95 go passed me yesterday morning and I was surprised it didn't have NSA I thought more routes would gain them in the new update, especially as BC only has 3 routes that don't have them.
Now that Dudley bus station has closed and buses are using coronation gardens, will the announcements be changed for the 18 months, or will they still continue to say Dudley bus station?
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 14, 2024, 11:29:41 AMNow that Dudley bus station has closed and buses are using coronation gardens, will the announcements be changed for the 18 months, or will they still continue to say Dudley bus station?
They'll probably be updated, give or take a few months.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 06, 2024, 10:24:59 AMI am wondering whether buses with long-term dead NSA such as 6870 and 6883 will be fixed with this update.
The answer is no. I wonder if they are beyond fixing.
I noticed that 6924 has some new next stop announcements. I'm guessing these will roll out to other PN platinum buses over the next few weeks?
I do like the more natural feel that they have in comparison to the older ones. Though I think this is only really noticeable if you've been on one then the other
Noticed some of the 529's announcements have been changed in the Willenhall area.
Internal screen for announcements seems to be working in BC buses now.
Quote from: mesub on January 26, 2024, 07:27:32 PMInternal screen for announcements seems to be working in BC buses now.
Theres no flickering on and off anymore which is nice, but they've now done away with the Capital Letters which is strange.
I was driving 7535 earlier today, which still had the previous set of announcements and honestly, I still prefer how Elinor says "6 to(ooh) Solihull" rather than the rather robotic "6, to, Solihull".
Although that being said, I do like the additional information added to some of the stops on the updated announcements. (e.g. "Saracens Head, for Parkgate Shopping Centre").
Quote from: D on January 26, 2024, 09:02:45 PMI was driving 7535 earlier today, which still had the previous set of announcements and honestly, I still prefer how Elinor says "6 to(ooh) Solihull" rather than the rather robotic "6, to, Solihull".
Although that being said, I do like the additional information added to some of the stops on the updated announcements. (e.g. "Saracens Head, for Parkgate Shopping Centre").
The old announcements did that on the X51 for which ever stop is near to Wolverhampton University's Walsall Campus I think it is Broadway so the next stop is Broadway For Wolverhampton University it also says it for the Alexander Stadium so for example X51 to Birmingham the next stop is Perry Aveune for Alexander Stadium
Can anyone tell me if the WN ones have changed at all?
Quote from: BN on January 27, 2024, 07:14:14 AMCan anyone tell me if the WN ones have changed at all?
Some of the Willenhall ones on the 529 have changed.
Wolverhampton Road is now Crescent Road for Sikh Temple, while Gipsy Lane is now Wakes Ground.
Quote from: Jack on January 26, 2024, 07:29:30 PMTheres no flickering on and off anymore which is nice, but they've now done away with the Capital Letters which is strange.
Actually I stand corrected, it seems like only a few BC buses aren't flickering anymore, most still are.
I do agree about the capital letters; I wonder why they did it like that.
Quote from: D on January 26, 2024, 09:02:45 PMI was driving 7535 earlier today, which still had the previous set of announcements and honestly, I still prefer how Elinor says "6 to(ooh) Solihull" rather than the rather robotic "6, to, Solihull".
Although that being said, I do like the additional information added to some of the stops on the updated announcements. (e.g. "Saracens Head, for Parkgate Shopping Centre").
Did you make up Elinor or is that actually the "official" name?
Quote from: Westy on January 27, 2024, 09:14:14 AMSome of the Willenhall ones on the 529 have changed.
Wolverhampton Road is now Crescent Road for Sikh Temple, while Gipsy Lane is now Wakes Ground.
Wakes Ground is that the name of the green area next to Gipsy Lane there ay a ground anywhere near there.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 27, 2024, 02:05:28 PMWakes Ground is that the name of the green area next to Gipsy Lane there ay a ground anywhere near there.
I know it as the big car / lorry park there(having worked in Willenhall off & on over the past 30 odd years!).
Quote from: Westy on January 27, 2024, 03:37:21 PMI know it as the big car / lorry park there(having worked in Willenhall off & on over the past 30 odd years!).
It ay near Gipsy Lane is it
82/87 has been updated, last stop thank you for travelling with national express please take your belongings
I'm guessing AG is the only remaining to get the announcement update? I hope the 4 gets some attention now
Does anyone know why the announcements was romoved from the scanias for the 4, 4H and 4M.
Quote from: BBS on January 28, 2024, 08:02:44 PMI'm guessing AG is the only remaining to get the announcement update? I hope the 4 gets some attention now
AG only has a relatively small number of vehicles with NSA equipment installed, and those vehicles are mostly used on the 5.
I doubt NX would go to the trouble of creating NSAs on the off-chance those vehicles get used on the 4 or 4A.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 28, 2024, 08:13:34 PMDoes anyone know why the announcements was romoved from the scanias for the 4, 4H and 4M.
When the destination displays were changed they took them off.
Quote from: Stu on January 28, 2024, 08:34:34 PMAG only has a relatively small number of vehicles with NSA equipment installed, and those vehicles are mostly used on the 5.
I doubt NX would go to the trouble of creating NSAs on the off-chance those vehicles get used on the 4 or 4A.
You can say that but YW did it for the 2 and 3.
QuoteYou can say that but YW did it for the 2 and 3.
Exactly, those routes tend to have omnilinks on there frequently, AGs 4/4A commonly has platinums on there, both 67** series and the ex Coventry batch.
Quote from: BBS on January 29, 2024, 12:00:52 AMExactly, those routes tend to have omnilinks on there frequently, AGs 4/4A commonly has platinums on there, both 67** series and the ex Coventry batch.
As do all of AG's Decker routes so that means they should all have them not just the 4/4A.
Quote from: Jack on January 28, 2024, 09:45:42 PMYou can say that but YW did it for the 2 and 3.
At the time, I believe there were plans to have Platinums on those routes as part of a Stratford Road 'upgrade', hence why AG had Platinums for the 5 in the first place.
Those plans ended up 'shelved' when Bordesley garage closed, and the 2 and 3 ended up with OmniLinks instead.
The platinum I had on the 9 today had updated NSA library metro
Quote from: karl724223 on January 29, 2024, 02:03:11 PMThe platinum I had on the 9 today had updated NSA library metro
I've got a photo of you today, PM me on Facebook mate I'll send it across to you, nice to see you. 👍
What garages are still remaining to get the new update?
I think it's only BC and PB at the moment.
QuoteI think it's only BC and PB at the moment.
Yardley woods got it, pensnett, Wolverhampton, not sure about Walsall & WB. I'm sure AG hasn't got it too
I went on a Walsall bus the other day on the X51 to Cannock it still had old style announcements maybe this is just a one off but it didn't have new announcements I can't remember which bus it was now of the top of my head.
Quote from: BBS on April 01, 2024, 12:01:59 AMYardley woods got it, pensnett, Wolverhampton, not sure about Walsall & WB. I'm sure AG hasn't got it too
Don't they still have the "old" style rear destination display on the platinums though? (i.e., with via xxxx).
Has the issue with the 'new' NSA displays been resolved now?
Travelled home on 6917 on the 3 just now and the displays were staying on. Announcing and displaying the correct new stop names, so not old programming.
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2024, 07:16:18 PMHas the issue with the 'new' NSA displays been resolved now?
Travelled home on 6917 on the 3 just now and the displays were staying on. Announcing and displaying the correct new stop names, so not old programming.
It's resolved but some buses at BC haven't had this fix applied.
Just been on 6885 and it seems like the NSA has already been updated to reflect the bus stop changes in City Centre as it says Albert Street and not Priory Queensway.
That's the quickest I've ever seen it done!
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2024, 07:16:18 PMHas the issue with the 'new' NSA displays been resolved now?
Quote from: mesub on April 04, 2024, 10:10:07 PMIt's resolved but some buses at BC haven't had this fix applied.
To answer my own question, maybe not. Travelled home on E014 on the 2 this evening, and that still has displays that go blank.
Perhaps it is because 6917 is a recent arrival on loan from Pensnett, so would have received any updated programming.
Coventry NSAs still cutting off
Bus Users UK has published a Quick Guide to the recently announced Accessible Information Regulations.
The Regulations will come into force fully by 2031 and will make bus services more accessible to people with disabilities and improve the journey for everyone.
During the phased implementation, passengers will be able to expect clear audio and visual announcements alerting them to next stops, diversions and the final destination.
https://bususers.org/uncategorised/guide-to-accessible-information-regulations/
In a nutshell:
- Vehicles first used in public service after 1st October 2019 will be required to provide audio/visual announcements from 1st October 2024.
- Vehicles first used in public service between 1st October 2014 and 30th September 2019 will be required to provide announcements from 1st October 2025
- Vehicles first used in public service between 1st January 1973 and 30th September 2014 will be subject to these regulations from 1st October 2026
QuoteInformation must be made available directly to passengers in audio and visual form and not through a phone or mobile device.
It must include:
- the route of the vehicle and direction of travel
- stopping places on the route
- diversion alerts
- whether the vehicle is being used on a hail and ride route
- a notification that the vehicle has reached its final destination.
Audio and visual information must be consistent.
In the case of NX Bus, since October 2019 they've only been buying vehicles with the necessary equipment already installed.
By my estimates, from October 2014 to 2019, the only vehicles that weren't delivered with this equipment would have been the Enviro200 MMCs and the non-Platinum Enviro400 MMCs.
I guess someone at NX is going to be busy getting all the stop announcements recorded for every route!
My concern is how this will impact on smaller independent operators, and whether there will be funding available to help towards the cost of retrofitting buses with the NSA equipment.
Quote from: Stu on April 20, 2024, 04:14:15 PMBus Users UK has published a Quick Guide to the recently announced Accessible Information Regulations.
The Regulations will come into force fully by 2031 and will make bus services more accessible to people with disabilities and improve the journey for everyone.
During the phased implementation, passengers will be able to expect clear audio and visual announcements alerting them to next stops, diversions and the final destination.
https://bususers.org/uncategorised/guide-to-accessible-information-regulations/
In a nutshell:
- Vehicles first used in public service after 1st October 2019 will be required to provide audio/visual announcements from 1st October 2024.
- Vehicles first used in public service between 1st October 2014 and 30th September 2019 will be required to provide announcements from 1st October 2025
- Vehicles first used in public service between 1st January 1973 and 30th September 2014 will be subject to these regulations from 1st October 2026
In the case of NX Bus, since October 2019 they've only been buying vehicles with the necessary equipment already installed.
By my estimates, from October 2014 to 2019, the only vehicles that weren't delivered with this equipment would have been the Enviro200 MMCs and the non-Platinum Enviro400 MMCs.
I guess someone at NX is going to be busy getting all the stop announcements recorded for every route!
My concern is how this will impact on smaller independent operators, and whether there will be funding available to help towards the cost of retrofitting buses with the NSA equipment.
Will these smaller operators still be around In 2031
Quote from: Jay71 on April 20, 2024, 04:45:45 PMWill these smaller operators still be around In 2031
Not if Manchester is an example
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2024, 05:42:07 PMNot if Manchester is an example
Can you really see Micky Mouse companies such as Travel Express & Banga still being around in seven years
Quote from: Jay71 on April 20, 2024, 05:52:12 PMCan you really see Micky Mouse companies such as Travel Express & Banga still being around in seven years
You asked the question initially and you just answered if also I wouldn't consider Banga a Mickey Mouse Operation they have a Livery, Decent Veichles and run to timetable. Travel Express yes bit Mickey Mouse
Quote from: Stu on April 20, 2024, 04:14:15 PMBus Users UK has published a Quick Guide to the recently announced Accessible Information Regulations.
The Regulations will come into force fully by 2031 and will make bus services more accessible to people with disabilities and improve the journey for everyone.
During the phased implementation, passengers will be able to expect clear audio and visual announcements alerting them to next stops, diversions and the final destination.
https://bususers.org/uncategorised/guide-to-accessible-information-regulations/
In a nutshell:
- Vehicles first used in public service after 1st October 2019 will be required to provide audio/visual announcements from 1st October 2024.
- Vehicles first used in public service between 1st October 2014 and 30th September 2019 will be required to provide announcements from 1st October 2025
- Vehicles first used in public service between 1st January 1973 and 30th September 2014 will be subject to these regulations from 1st October 2026
In the case of NX Bus, since October 2019 they've only been buying vehicles with the necessary equipment already installed.
By my estimates, from October 2014 to 2019, the only vehicles that weren't delivered with this equipment would have been the Enviro200 MMCs and the non-Platinum Enviro400 MMCs.
I guess someone at NX is going to be busy getting all the stop announcements recorded for every route!
My concern is how this will impact on smaller independent operators, and whether there will be funding available to help towards the cost of retrofitting buses with the NSA equipment.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if the driver doesn't change to destination at the terminus then the next stops don't work. There have been many occasions when the 50 has been going out of the City with Birmingham still on the front, therefore the next stop announcements don't work
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 20, 2024, 07:00:56 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but if the driver doesn't change to destination at the terminus then the next stops don't work. There have been many occasions when the 50 has been going out of the City with Birmingham still on the front, therefore the next stop announcements don't work
I have boarded buses before where the destination display is set incorrect, but the on-board announcements play/display correctly, so I'm not sure how it works or whether there are separate systems.
Quote from: Stu on April 20, 2024, 07:45:56 PMI have boarded buses before where the destination display is set incorrect, but the on-board announcements play/display correctly, so I'm not sure how it works or whether there are separate systems.
No I think Steve is right. The NSA appear to be directly linked to the destination display. Once it's changed so do the NSA. For instance sometimes a driver may change the display a few stops before the terminus, especially in the City Centre and then it'll instantly change the NSA.
So when it isn't changed for the return journey they never work in my experience.
Quote from: Stu on April 20, 2024, 04:14:15 PMI guess someone at NX is going to be busy getting all the stop announcements recorded for every route!
Maybe a new voice or (unlikely, but still hopeful for) the return of Mr. Platinum?
QuoteMaybe a new voice or (unlikely, but still hopeful for) the return of Mr. Platinum?
Don't even need that. Text to Speech or AI could do it for them.
Does this mean platinum buses will need to have announcements programmed with non platinum routes by October this year?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 20, 2024, 07:00:56 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but if the driver doesn't change to destination at the terminus then the next stops don't work. There have been many occasions when the 50 has been going out of the City with Birmingham still on the front, therefore the next stop announcements don't work
That's correct
I believe the only vehicles that have entered service since October 2019 are the Electrics and (whisper it) Hydrogens, if so it's only four garage's routes that "must" be done by this October, assuming it is enforced.
I would expect that the requirement to display diversions will be a challenge, especially last minute ones taken to avoid congestion.
On a slightly related matter, I assume that WMCA's mooted "early spring" implementation of journey cancellations being shown on real time displays at bus stops has slipped?
Quote from: Jack D on April 20, 2024, 10:45:32 PMDoes this mean platinum buses will need to have announcements programmed with non platinum routes by October this year?
WN Hybrids to they are only programed for the 1, X8 and 529 if it needs to be October this year then these will be in service by then otherwise just the Platty's to and not sure about BC's B5TL Hybrids if they would need doing
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 21, 2024, 10:14:36 AMWN Hybrids to they are only programed for the 1, X8 and 529 if it needs to be October this year then these will be in service by then otherwise just the Platty's to and not sure about BC's B5TL Hybrids if they would need doing
If you read the thread you will see that it doesn't apply to them this year.
Quote from: cardew on April 21, 2024, 07:26:48 AMI believe the only vehicles that have entered service since October 2019 are the Electrics and (whisper it) Hydrogens, if so it's only four garage's routes that "must" be done by this October, assuming it is enforced.
I would expect that the requirement to display diversions will be a challenge, especially last minute ones taken to avoid congestion.
On a slightly related matter, I assume that WMCA's mooted "early spring" implementation of journey cancellations being shown on real time displays at bus stops has slipped?
In Wolverhampton the Hybrids on the 1 are outdated and say the next stop on the 1 towards Dudley is Beatties it isn't it is Beatties Car Park on School Street, the Platty's however do call these stops out. I would say that is a diversion, but it is a long term diversion at this point. But the Plattys will say next Stop Fold Street Car Park, Next Stop Beatties Car Park, can't remember the Stop after it name then next stop Wulfrun/Mander Centre then Wolverhampton Police Station, the Hybrids remain frozen at Beatties not sure if they work again after. I think they are connected to the GPS as opposed to the Destination for the NSA as if it had missed out Beatties the next stop would be the Art Gallery. So some Plattys do have the Diversion stops from my experience, sure I remember a 529 calling them out to when I was on that was being Diverted.
QuoteIn Wolverhampton the Hybrids on the 1 are outdated and say the next stop on the 1 towards Dudley is Beatties it isn't it is Beatties Car Park on School Street, the Platty's however do call these stops out. I would say that is a diversion, but it is a long term diversion at this point. But the Plattys will say next Stop Fold Street Car Park, Next Stop Beatties Car Park, can't remember the Stop after it name then next stop Wulfrun/Mander Centre then Wolverhampton Police Station, the Hybrids remain frozen at Beatties not sure if they work again after. I think they are connected to the GPS as opposed to the Destination for the NSA as if it had missed out Beatties the next stop would be the Art Gallery. So some Plattys do have the Diversion stops from my experience, sure I remember a 529 calling them out to when I was on that was being Diverted.
Hybrids have been taken off the 1 anyways
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 20, 2024, 07:57:06 PMNo I think Steve is right. The NSA appear to be directly linked to the destination display. Once it's changed so do the NSA. For instance sometimes a driver may change the display a few stops before the terminus, especially in the City Centre and then it'll instantly change the NSA.
So when it isn't changed for the return journey they never work in my experience.
Yes, the system does go 'off-kilter' when the driver prematurely changes the destination on approach to Birmingham city centre.
I might be mistaken then, I'm sure I've boarded a 3 heading to Birmingham that still had Yardley Wood on the external destination display, but was announcing next stops correctly.
Quote from: Jack D on April 20, 2024, 10:45:32 PMDoes this mean platinum buses will need to have announcements programmed with non platinum routes by October this year?
Only those vehicles that first entered service on or after 1st October 2019 are expected to comply with the new regulations from October this year.
The last diesel Platinums bought and delivered were first used in September 2019, so won't be expected to be compliant until October next year.
Quote from: mesub on January 27, 2024, 09:42:57 AMActually I stand corrected, it seems like only a few BC buses aren't flickering anymore, most still are.
I do agree about the capital letters; I wonder why they did it like that.
Did you make up Elinor or is that actually the "official" name?
Official.
Here is her Twitter profile: https://x.com/sayerhamilton?s=21 ... she was also a wife to Phil Sayer.
6966 no working announcements on the 87.
Quote from: BBS on April 21, 2024, 04:56:57 PMHybrids have been taken off the 1 anyways
Yes there mostly on the 79, 59, 11, 15 and 16 E400's Operate the 1 they were only starting to be put on the 1 when I last caught it Hybrids were still the main allocation
QuoteYes there mostly on the 79, 59, 11, 15 and 16 E400's Operate the 1 they were only starting to be put on the 1 when I last caught it Hybrids were still the main allocation
I seem to find them a lot on the 6
Quote from: BBS on April 22, 2024, 02:15:25 PMI seem to find them a lot on the 6
I think they do the Peak boards and School boards and then do some journeys on the Peak 6A
Is Walsall garage having the next stop announcements updated for X51?
Quote from: Bob on May 07, 2024, 11:13:42 AMIs Walsall garage having the next stop announcements updated for X51?
Didnt they have updates a few months back, when some stop names changed?
Eg Green Lane is now Leamore Park.
I wish they'd realise there's no R in Castle.
But anyway, it made me think, with this promise regarding NSAs will that include short workings?
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 08, 2024, 06:32:18 PMI wish they'd realise there's no R in Castle.
But anyway, it made me think, with this promise regarding NSAs will that include short workings?
What promise? 👀
Quote from: mesub on May 08, 2024, 07:04:21 PMWhat promise? 👀
Okay maybe the wrong word but you know what I meant. Regulations or whatever.
Any chances the 11A/11C will get announcements any time soon?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 13, 2024, 02:53:55 PMAny chances the 11A/11C will get announcements any time soon?
Probably not for a while. The current vehicles being used don't have the equipment installed.
Those E400MMCs were first used in March 2015, therefore they are not expected to be compliant with the new Accessible Information Regulations until October 2025.
The Platinum E400s do have the necessary equipment, but they too don't need to be compliant until next year. NX will likely at some point want to get all the stop announcements recorded.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2024/05/the-next-stop-is-new-accessible-information-regulations-effective-from-october-2024/
QuoteProbably not for a while. The current vehicles being used don't have the equipment installed.
Those E400MMCs were first used in March 2015, therefore they are not expected to be compliant with the new Accessible Information Regulations until October 2025.
The Platinum E400s do have the necessary equipment, but they too don't need to be compliant until next year. NX will likely at some point want to get all the stop announcements recorded.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2024/05/the-next-stop-is-new-accessible-information-regulations-effective-from-october-2024/
what about the 75**? Did they come into service after 1st October?
Quote from: BBS on May 14, 2024, 05:23:37 AMwhat about the 75**? Did they come into service after 1st October?
No, September 2019
Doesn't the 'October 2014 to September 2019' range also include some of 4960-4995, 831-875 and the three Streetlites, so would need NSA equipment fitted to them before the October 2025 deadline?
Quote from: BBS on May 14, 2024, 05:23:37 AMwhat about the 75**? Did they come into service after 1st October?
All the dates new are available on the main site
6933 next stop announcements was not working on it earlier.
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 23, 2024, 10:05:07 PM6933 next stop announcements was not working on it earlier.
Never worked on that bus
6952 NSA doesn't display where the next stop is or say it
Quote6952 NSA doesn't display where the next stop is or say it
That's because no Acocks Green route is platinum and has NSAs except the 5
6782 running round with the older announcements (ones before the slight change recently) while the rest of WN from what I can see have the newer ones
Quote from: Stu on April 20, 2024, 04:14:15 PMBus Users UK has published a Quick Guide to the recently announced Accessible Information Regulations.
The Regulations will come into force fully by 2031 and will make bus services more accessible to people with disabilities and improve the journey for everyone.
During the phased implementation, passengers will be able to expect clear audio and visual announcements alerting them to next stops, diversions and the final destination.
https://bususers.org/uncategorised/guide-to-accessible-information-regulations/ (https://bususers.org/uncategorised/guide-to-accessible-information-regulations/)
Members of National Express' Viewpoint community would have received an email this week inviting them to take part in a short survey.
The survey was asking for people to pick their 'favourite' out of three different audible noises, which will be played when the bus is arriving at it's final stop, and another when the vehicle is going 'on diversion'.
So it would seem that NX are already working on this, and should be up and running very soon.
Of course, it just needs passengers to be paying attention to these announcements!
On a side note, I had my first ride(s) today on NX Coventry's new electric buses, on the X1 to Coventry then the 11 to Leamington. I was quite impressed with the next-stop displays, and it was also useful to see the CCTV monitors displaying service updates details from the website.
I already noticed that the Z4xxx Zenobe 'spares' at YW have these same screens, but I haven't yet seen them operational as they probably lack the correct programming.
QuoteMembers of National Express' Viewpoint community would have received an email this week inviting them to take part in a short survey.
The survey was asking for people to pick their 'favourite' out of three different audible noises, which will be played when the bus is arriving at it's final stop, and another when the vehicle is going 'on diversion'.
So it would seem that NX are already working on this, and should be up and running very soon.
Of course, it just needs passengers to be paying attention to these announcements!
On a side note, I had my first ride(s) today on NX Coventry's new electric buses, on the X1 to Coventry then the 11 to Leamington. I was quite impressed with the next-stop displays, and it was also useful to see the CCTV monitors displaying service updates details from the website.
I already noticed that the Z4xxx Zenobe 'spares' at YW have these same screens, but I haven't yet seen them operational as they probably lack the correct programming.
There's also a wheelchair announcement on the Coventry electrics, but the main issue which still after 2 years hasn't been fixed and that's the random announcement stopping
Not sure why but most buses I've been on don't have the NSA for X21 anymore.
Is this the case on other routes too?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 23, 2024, 05:05:55 PMNot sure why but most buses I've been on don't have the NSA for X21 anymore.
Is this the case on other routes too?
The 4m used to have announcements. But these stopped ages ago. Maybe Mr Hunter can tell us what happened to these announcements
Quote from: Jay71 on July 23, 2024, 05:43:54 PMThe 4m used to have announcements. But these stopped ages ago. Maybe Mr Hunter can tell us what happened to these announcements
They lost those 5 years ago now, it was when the Hanover Displays changed from Super X to the Static ones. Was a shame, the 222 lost its announcements when it got renumbered to the 2 as well.
Quote from: Jay71 on July 23, 2024, 05:43:54 PMThe 4m used to have announcements. But these stopped ages ago. Maybe Mr Hunter can tell us what happened to these announcements
I meant recently.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 23, 2024, 06:21:02 PMI meant recently.
Could the reprogramming to include destinations for the 97A have something to do with it?
Quote from: mesub on July 24, 2024, 07:15:59 PMCould the reprogramming to include destinations for the 97A have something to do with it?
Not sure why that would affect the X21. I did notice that the 97A has them now though. That was pretty quick.
No NSA for X22 on 6887 either which is strange. From what I've seen they still work on all other routes, such as 24, 61 etc.
Does anyone know when or if the Coventry NSA is going to be fixed?
Still trying to work out why the NSA for the X21 appears to have been deleted. Maybe the service is being amended / withdrawn.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 06, 2024, 09:07:04 PMStill trying to work out why the NSA for the X21 appears to have been deleted. Maybe the service is being amended / withdrawn.
Yet they've given the 97A announcements... wonder why they've still not done the 14/94/95 as well then all their routes have them.
Seems strange to take them off the X21 which is a branded Platinum route.
Also do NX ever bother fixing ones that don't work? Theres some WA and BC ones that haven't worked in years now.
Quote from: Jack on August 06, 2024, 11:12:01 PMYet they've given the 97A announcements...
Most buses on the 97A at the moment are platinums every day, so that would seem to make sense.
Quote from: Jack on August 06, 2024, 11:12:01 PMYet they've given the 97A announcements... wonder why they've still not done the 14/94/95 as well then all their routes have them.
Seems strange to take them off the X21 which is a branded Platinum route.
Also do NX ever bother fixing ones that don't work? Theres some WA and BC ones that haven't worked in years now.
I have a feeling only a few engineers can do announcements and they've got more pressing things to do, so stuff like this is always lower down on their to-do list.
Are there any plans to introduce NSAs on more WB services?
With the incoming ex-Sutton Line platinums and the increasing platinums on (in particular Birmingham bound) services like the 12/A, 13/A, 74, 80, surely it makes sense for them to have NSAs, BC have it for most if not all of their routes
QuoteAre there any plans to introduce NSAs on more WB services?
With the incoming ex-Sutton Line platinums and the increasing platinums on (in particular Birmingham bound) services like the 12/A, 13/A, 74, 80, surely it makes sense for them to have NSAs, BC have it for most if not all of their routes
Same can be said for Acocks Green, since their getting the 16 brandeds, their casually going to end up on the 4/4A
Quote from: BBS on August 09, 2024, 12:40:54 PMSame can be said for Acocks Green, since their getting the 16 brandeds, their casually going to end up on the 4/4A
More like the whole of AG's double decker network...
All the routes will get NSAs eventually as it has been mandated by law. They'll have to do them based on age of vehicle so the newer vehicles will have to be done first by a certain date coming up quite soon I think.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 09, 2024, 06:30:53 PMAll the routes will get NSAs eventually as it has been mandated by law. They'll have to do them based on age of vehicle so the newer vehicles will have to be done first by a certain date coming up quite soon I think.
Correct, the priority will be to ensure that all the electric and hydrogen vehicles are ready for this October.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2024/05/the-next-stop-is-new-accessible-information-regulations-effective-from-october-2024/
So that's all Coventry, Perry Barr, Walsall and Yardley Wood routes to be done first. (Unless the hydrogens will be strictly kept to certain routes that already have NSAs recorded)
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2024, 06:44:21 PMCorrect, the priority will be to ensure that all the electric and hydrogen vehicles are ready for this October.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2024/05/the-next-stop-is-new-accessible-information-regulations-effective-from-october-2024/
So that's all Coventry, Perry Barr, Walsall and Yardley Wood routes to be done first. (Unless the hydrogens will be strictly kept to certain routes that already have NSAs recorded)
But there needs to be a purge on drivers changing the destination at the terminus otherwise on the next journey the NSA will not work
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 09, 2024, 07:35:40 PMBut there needs to be a purge on drivers changing the destination at the terminus otherwise on the next journey the NSA will not work
What? The destination has to be changed at the terminus so the NSAs will work on the next journey!
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2024, 07:38:50 PMWhat? The destination has to be changed at the terminus so the NSAs will work on the next journey!
Yes. On the 907 yesterday going out of City the driver left 'Birmingham' displayed on the destination board so the Next Stop Announcement's didn't work until I mentioned it to him at Perry Barr, so once he changed it to 'Sutton Coldfield' the Next Stop Announcement's started to work
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 09, 2024, 08:17:06 PMYes. On the 907 yesterday going out of City the driver left 'Birmingham' displayed on the destination board so the Next Stop Announcement's didn't work until I mentioned it to him at Perry Barr, so once he changed it to 'Sutton Coldfield' the Next Stop Announcement's started to work
Oh I see what you mean now, your use of the word 'purge' in your previous reply was probably a bit strong!
This will become a 'training' matter I'm sure, especially if it becomes legally enforceable.
QuoteWhat? The destination has to be changed at the terminus so the NSAs will work on the next journey!
This is actually a major problem drivers not changing destinations, often seen on the 4/4As displaying 4 in Gospel Oak to Birmingham, or a 4 to Birmingham to either Solihull or Gospel
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2024, 07:38:50 PMWhat? The destination has to be changed at the terminus so the NSAs will work on the next journey!
Bruh no wonder why NSA never works
The one 529 I was on today, was showing what could be described as a 'copyright notice' on the display!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 09, 2024, 08:17:06 PMYes. On the 907 yesterday going out of City the driver left 'Birmingham' displayed on the destination board so the Next Stop Announcement's didn't work until I mentioned it to him at Perry Barr, so once he changed it to 'Sutton Coldfield' the Next Stop Announcement's started to work
Makes you wonder if it's possible to have it so the NSA run off the ticket machine (same as they do with tracking information) as drivers are more likely to update that at the terminus than the blinds (I know on ticketer it prompts you to change it as you approach the terminus, I can't remember if the machines NX use do).
Quote from: Lukeee on August 10, 2024, 09:01:18 AMMakes you wonder if it's possible to have it so the NSA run off the ticket machine (same as they do with tracking information) as drivers are more likely to update that at the terminus than the blinds (I know on ticketer it prompts you to change it as you approach the terminus, I can't remember if the machines NX use do).
I think they do based on what I've seen if I have got of say a 79 or 34 before the Terminus it usually has the Ticket in either handover mode for a new driver or ready to be updated and the driver is waiting for a stop to do it such as the traffic lights.
E072 the next stop annoucment screen is working but the audio announcements are not working.
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2024, 06:44:21 PMCorrect, the priority will be to ensure that all the electric and hydrogen vehicles are ready for this October.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2024/05/the-next-stop-is-new-accessible-information-regulations-effective-from-october-2024/
So that's all Coventry, Perry Barr, Walsall and Yardley Wood routes to be done first. (Unless the hydrogens will be strictly kept to certain routes that already have NSAs recorded)
I know it's requirement but for the Hydrogens unless they are kept to certain routes only. There would be no need to do the 39 as Double Deckers can't go under the Bridgeman Street Railway Bridge and they can't go on the 4's either due to the Sandwell and Dudley Bridge and they can't do the 8 due to the Clayhangar Bridge. But I would imagine that the other two Darlaston Routes and Walsall's other routes would be done. Apart from those routes.
E140 audio announcements not working on the 11 service.
Quote from: Wba_lad on August 12, 2024, 01:44:07 PME072 the next stop annoucment screen is working but the audio announcements are not working.
Quote from: Wba_lad on August 12, 2024, 06:10:38 PME140 audio announcements not working on the 11 service.
Wrong thread again!
Quote from: Stu on August 12, 2024, 07:33:12 PMWrong thread again!
Oh sorry do I put it in the oddity thread.
Quote from: Wba_lad on August 12, 2024, 09:17:55 PMOh sorry do I put it in the oddity thread.
Please do.
May be incorrect but from my observations NSA work on the X22 going into City Centre but not going towards Bartley Green for some reason.
Just noticed that the 76 has got announcements now.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on August 15, 2024, 01:56:12 PMJust noticed that the 76 has got announcements now.
As has the 18. Assuming the rest of them that don't at YW will have.
What I don't understand is why some garages are still using the old style NSA and rear destination displays. I figured it would have been rolled out though all garages, but only BC, YW and PB seem have done it.
Obviously not a big issue just figured they'd all change for uniformity.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 16, 2024, 06:53:25 PMWhat I don't understand is why some garages are still using the old style NSA and rear destination displays. I figured it would have been rolled out though all garages, but only BC, YW and PB seem have done it.
Obviously not a big issue just figured they'd all change for uniformity.
Perhaps you're a computer expert who can write the 20,000 files needed for each garage quicker, if so there may be a job for you.
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2024, 06:57:37 PMPerhaps you're a computer expert who can write the 20,000 files needed for each garage quicker, if so there may be a job for you.
I mean, it was just an observation. But sure, be snarky and mean if you like.
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2024, 06:57:37 PMPerhaps you're a computer expert who can write the 20,000 files needed for each garage quicker, if so there may be a job for you.
What level of expertise are we talking? 👀
QuoteWhat I don't understand is why some garages are still using the old style NSA and rear destination displays. I figured it would have been rolled out though all garages, but only BC, YW and PB seem have done it.
Obviously not a big issue just figured they'd all change for uniformity.
The Coventry NSAs haven't even been sorted yet
People may think I've got mental but I haven't however I've got on 1882 and you know the sound the platinums make when you change the blinds to not in service like a musical tone 1882 just did it does this have next stop announcements fitted or somthing.
Someone in my discord server has sent a video of new bus announcements for the route 997 (Walsall)
(https://streamable.com/m0p4kg (https://streamable.com/m0p4kg)) It appears the voice has changed to TTS
Can someone let me know if this change is a new thing or just temporarily until the person that normally does it records new ones for Walsall.
The route was the 937 and unless I misheard it that sounded like it said 927 i'm sure it said 937 to Brownhills West
QuoteSomeone in my discord server has sent a video of new bus announcements for the route 997 (Walsall)
(https://streamable.com/m0p4kg (https://streamable.com/m0p4kg)) It appears the voice has changed to TTS
Can someone let me know if this change is a new thing or just temporarily until the person that normally does it records new ones for Walsall.
Isn't that the same sound West Midlands railway is also using
6968 has the visual announcements working for the 80
but there's just no audio playing
6810 on the 13A has both working
Did the 937 always have announcements?
Quote from: frostjay974 on September 27, 2024, 08:15:33 PMDid the 937 always have announcements?
Yes.
Reading comments on Facebook it looks like the 12's and 13's have had announcements too.
Most likely because all Platinums should have every route at their depot programmed, assuming it's to do with the new laws.
Quote from: frostjay974 on September 27, 2024, 08:15:33 PMDid the 937 always have announcements?
Yes it has been Platnium since launch
QuoteYes.
Reading comments on Facebook it looks like the 12's and 13's have had announcements too.
Most likely because all Platinums should have every route at their depot programmed, assuming it's to do with the new laws.
Seems like none of the Acocks Green routes have got NSA yet
Quote from: BBS on September 28, 2024, 03:09:51 PMSeems like none of the Acocks Green routes have got NSA yet
Apart from the 5 which always has had them!
Can't wait until the 4 eventually gets announcements
Quote from: LD713821 on September 26, 2024, 09:26:53 PMSomeone in my discord server has sent a video of new bus announcements for the route 997 (Walsall)
(https://streamable.com/m0p4kg (https://streamable.com/m0p4kg)) It appears the voice has changed to TTS
Can someone let me know if this change is a new thing or just temporarily until the person that normally does it records new ones for Walsall.
That's a real shame but I guess if every route must have announcements, it will be costly (both in terms of time and money) to hire the voice actor (I think her name is Elinor?) to record them.
Quote from: mesub on September 29, 2024, 06:22:38 PMThat's a real shame but I guess if every route must have announcements, it will be costly (both in terms of time and money) to hire the voice actor (I think her name is Elinor?) to record them.
The system that Diamond Bus will be utilising sounds to me to be far more efficient.
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=332695
Quote from: Simon Dunn on August 15, 2024, 06:36:30 AMOur Buses are planned to have Nextstop installed in line with government deadlines. I am not sure what technology NX use. We will use the
Ticketer/ Omni/McKenna installation which is automatically generated from the schedules file.
I believe this is a same as TfGM and is more a computer generated voice.
So from the sounds of things, if ever there is a route change, or stops change names, then as long as the schedules file is correct, then the stop announcements will update automatically.
With regards to the Gov deadline for announcements, what about those buses where the NSA don't appear to work anymore?
Also, I am assuming the X21/X22 NSA will be fixed soon then?
Quote from: mesub on September 29, 2024, 06:22:38 PMThat's a real shame but I guess if every route must have announcements, it will be costly (both in terms of time and money) to hire the voice actor (I think her name is Elinor?) to record them.
The announcements are done externally by a company I believe
QuoteApart from the 5 which always has had them!
Rare nowadays, almost all the 67** announcments don't work or audible isn't working
Walsalls 77 route has got NSA now, wonder when it's AGs turn
Quote from: BBS on September 30, 2024, 04:18:47 PMWalsalls 77 route has got NSA now, wonder when it's AGs turn
Be patient and then all of AG's routes will have them.
They've only just done Walsall's, well the ones that had working announcements anyway!
QuoteBe patient and then all of AG's routes will have them.
They've only just done Walsall's, well the ones that had working announcements anyway!
Most of them seem to not even work let alone show a route on there
Quote from: Stu on September 29, 2024, 07:13:48 PMThe system that Diamond Bus will be utilising sounds to me to be far more efficient.
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=332695
So from the sounds of things, if ever there is a route change, or stops change names, then as long as the schedules file is correct, then the stop announcements will update automatically.
That is the idea.
Looking at the the 'Oddities' thread there appears to be a lot of cases of either NSa screens or audio not working on certain buses. What often causes this? (The only NSA issues I've observed were 6948 having no audio on the X1 in February 2023 and 6815's screen going on and off on the X3 in November 2023.)
Quote from: TGZac on October 01, 2024, 06:21:58 PMLooking at the the 'Oddities' thread there appears to be a lot of cases of either NSa screens or audio not working on certain buses. What often causes this? (The only NSA issues I've observed were 6948 having no audio on the X1 in February 2023 and 6815's screen going on and off on the X3 in November 2023.)
In most cases, I suspect it is because the bus is being used on a route for which there are no announcements programmed. :rolleyes:
Other causes will of course be equipment malfunction/failure, or loose/failed wiring.
Quote from: Stu on October 01, 2024, 06:50:20 PMIn most cases, I suspect it is because the bus is being used on a route for which there are no announcements programmed. :rolleyes:
Other causes will of course be equipment malfunction/failure, or loose/failed wiring.
Not forgetting it needs good GPS to work
I noticed on the 16 earlier today that it now says the next stop twice before getting to the stop (after leaving previous stop and when approaching the nedy stop) and then again as it stops. Not sure if that is an intentional change or an error.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 01, 2024, 10:34:43 PMI noticed on the 16 earlier today that it now says the next stop twice before getting to the stop (after leaving previous stop and when approaching the nedy stop) and then again as it stops. Not sure if that is an intentional change or an error.
Okay seems like it may not be an error as its the same on the X21 & 74.
Gotta say it feels like overkill to me. I could understand if you had a route where stops were far apart but most routes aren't like that.
My guess for the NSAs not working is because the platinum blinds were updated a couple of days ago, and I'm guessing the audio files aren't connected to the new blinds?
Nice to see that they've made the announcements louder now they've updated them on the Hydrogens. H1012 is now very loud!
currently onboard 6729 and the NSA is way too loud and it cuts off before the destination is even fully said. I was on a different platinum yesterday and it was way too quiet.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on October 04, 2024, 05:55:50 PMcurrently onboard 6729 and the NSA is way too loud and it cuts off before the destination is even fully said. I was on a different platinum yesterday and it was way too quiet.
6713 was the same yesterday it was way too loud. Lots of the elderly were complaining about them, and a few others were saying they will be making complaints...
They are deafening. Was nothing wrong with them before now they've messed them up.
Quote from: Jack on October 04, 2024, 05:57:47 PM6713 was the same yesterday it was way too loud. Lots of the elderly were complaining about them, and a few others were saying they will be making complaints...
They are deafening. Was nothing wrong with them before now they've messed them up.
They are all being reprogrammed this weekend to quieten them and stop the jumping where they miss certain words out
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2024, 06:00:38 PMThey are all being reprogrammed this weekend to quieten them and stop the jumping where they miss certain words out
Will anything be done about the ones that haven't worked for years?
Quote from: Jack on October 04, 2024, 06:01:14 PMWill anything be done about the ones that haven't worked for years?
There's only 4 currently not working at Walsall, 3 platinum and one hydrogen
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2024, 06:08:11 PMThere's only 4 currently not working at Walsall, 3 platinum and one hydrogen
6933 never worked from day one
First time I've noticed it, but my 95 home this evening had next stop displays. No audio yet though.
E102 seems to have no working announcments, both visible and audio not working screens turned off, E026 no audio, alongside E132 which worked half way until they decided to give up
Quote from: Gareth on October 04, 2024, 11:00:16 PMFirst time I've noticed it, but my 95 home this evening had next stop displays. No audio yet though.
I've been on a few recently where there were visual displays but no audio. And I'm sure those buses in question had audio previously.
Quote from: Jack on October 03, 2024, 06:56:51 AMNice to see that they've made the announcements louder now they've updated them on the Hydrogens. H1012 is now very loud!
Still sounding tinny??
Another question to ask is will the Volvo Hybrids get their announcements sorted now (or at some point in the future) as well?
Of course, it uses a different (and harder to program) system, but surely it would have to comply at some point as well?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 01, 2024, 10:34:43 PMI noticed on the 16 earlier today that it now says the next stop twice before getting to the stop (after leaving previous stop and when approaching the nedy stop) and then again as it stops. Not sure if that is an intentional change or an error.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 02, 2024, 07:16:47 AMOkay seems like it may not be an error as its the same on the X21 & 74.
Gotta say it feels like overkill to me. I could understand if you had a route where stops were far apart but most routes aren't like that.
Seems like it's been ages since I travelled on a bus with NSAs! :rolleyes:
Had 6910 on the 2 home this evening, was doing exactly as you describe. I'm not sure if it's been done intentionally, but does get a bit annoying, especially when the bus isn't having to call at stops, as it's announcing "the next stop is" as it is passing by that stop.
I'm wondering if it is another 'coding error', as I notice the system announces "the next stop is" at the point where the display changes to show the stop name without "next stop" above it.
I agree it's a bit overkill, and seems a bit unnecessary to me.
On the WN 1, the stop shown on the screen as "Dudley Road, Fighting Cocks" is never announced.
Quote from: Stu on October 21, 2024, 07:22:20 PMSeems like it's been ages since I travelled on a bus with NSAs! :rolleyes:
Had 6910 on the 2 home this evening, was doing exactly as you describe. I'm not sure if it's been done intentionally, but does get a bit annoying, especially when the bus isn't having to call at stops, as it's announcing "the next stop is" as it is passing by that stop.
I'm wondering if it is another 'coding error', as I notice the system announces "the next stop is" at the point where the display changes to show the stop name without "next stop" above it.
I agree it's a bit overkill, and seems a bit unnecessary to me.
It reminds me of the jumpy NSAs back in 2017 when the 22 and 29 still ran!
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 21, 2024, 07:58:29 PMIt reminds me of the jumpy NSAs back in 2017 when the 22 and 29 still ran!
Hope they aren't as loud as what Walsall's were a few weeks ago. Jumpy and deafening, and now majority of the ones that did work now don't have any announcements at all.
I've experienced a few where the NSA were showing but completely silent, and some, like 7525 which had sound for part of the route and then went silent after.
Quote from: Jack on October 21, 2024, 08:01:49 PMHope they aren't as loud as what Walsall's were a few weeks ago. Jumpy and deafening, and now majority of the ones that did work now don't have any announcements at all.
Which have stopped working?
I've noticed all of the issues mentioned on the many E400MMCs on the 97/A and X12 routes. Sometimes it's just visual announcements with no audio and sometimes the ones that have it announce "the next stop is..." twice. It does sound a bit odd when we're flying past a stop and then it doesn't finish before skipping onto the next stop on the announcements. I would give fleet numbers but I've honestly stopped trying to keep track as it's been a recurring issue that I thought it wouldn't be worth mentioning. I don't want to turn into that one person constantly complaining about NSA all the time :laugh:
I do find NSA quite useful at the darker hours when you can sometimes end up losing track of where you are if you're busy reading something or just phasing out for the 30-40 minute ride. I get it's probably a complete pain in the backside to be kept up to date. Being an aspiring software engineer, I can sense the frustration of managing a system like that. It's probably a complete nightmare whenever issues do come up and having to fix and load it onto all the Hanover systems across entire garages worth of buses.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2024, 08:05:11 PMWhich have stopped working?
Ones that haven't clearly haven't been reprogrammed as they are showing just CCVTV images. Some have still got Mrs Platinum, and then some with the new ones, and the ones that haven't worked for years.
Why mess with something that worked fine? Should've redone all the announcements in Mrs Platinum with the other routes added.
A separate issue is when stops get moved. I noticed another stop moved on X21 route today, on Woodcock Lane, so no doubt the GPS will be out on the NSA now. Same with the stop on Long Nuke Road which was moved.
I am guessing this is maybe down to Tfwm.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2024, 08:05:11 PMWhich have stopped working?
I just caught 6948 on the 95. Announcements showing on the display but no audio as of yet.
Quote from: Jack on October 21, 2024, 08:10:48 PMOnes that haven't clearly haven't been reprogrammed as they are showing just CCVTV images. Some have still got Mrs Platinum, and then some with the new ones, and the ones that haven't worked for years.
Why mess with something that worked fine? Should've redone all the announcements in Mrs Platinum with the other routes added.
So not ones that have stopped working then?
There's only 3 known problems at Walsall, so perhaps you can identify the others for us?
Why mess? because as has been mentioned the law changed on next stop from 1st October so they had to be changed.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 21, 2024, 08:13:28 PMA separate issue is when stops get moved. I noticed another stop moved on X21 route today, on Woodcock Lane, so no doubt the GPS will be out on the NSA now. Same with the stop on Long Nuke Road which was moved.
I am guessing this is maybe down to Tfwm.
Yes, the 2 and 3 had this problem when the from-city Fulham Road stop on Stoney Lane (now Brunswick Road) was relocated further south, so the geolocation was 'off'. Only got resolved when the system was updated with the new stop names (same time the Clifton Road stop became Chesterton Road).
Another separate issue is where TfWM have changed the names of stops, yet haven't updated the stop flags to show the new names, but that is down to TfWM rather than NX.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2024, 08:29:05 PMSo not ones that have stopped working then?
There's only 3 known problems at Walsall, so perhaps you can identify the others for us?
6719, 6724, 6735 and 6755.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2024, 08:34:35 PMThank you!
I wouldn't hold my breath as 6719 hasn't worked for years.
Quote from: Jack on October 21, 2024, 08:35:50 PMI wouldn't hold my breath as 6719 hasn't worked for years.
As I said, there's three long term trouble makers which are being looked into
One thing that doesn't help with NSA are routes that interwork where the driver changes the display far too early.
The whole point of NSA is to be accessible for everybody. When you catch a 95 to Birmingham and all of a sudden you're hearing 94 to Chelmsley Wood when you've barely left Nechells and still three/four stops to go, it's not on. There's no need to change your display at the lights at the middleway.
Quote from: Jack on October 21, 2024, 08:35:50 PMI wouldn't hold my breath as 6719 hasn't worked for years.
There's a few at BC like that. I can't remember them all but 6883 is one.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 21, 2024, 09:50:44 PMThere's a few at BC like that. I can't remember them all but 6883 is one.
Theres a lot at BC. 6827, 6841, 6858, 6867 and 6883 are the ones off the top of my head.
QuoteTheres a lot at BC. 6827, 6841, 6858, 6867 and 6883 are the ones off the top of my head.
Majority of AGs 67** also not working, 6701 is definitely one of them
Quote from: Gareth on October 21, 2024, 09:34:22 PMOne thing that doesn't help with NSA are routes that interwork where the driver changes the display far too early.
The whole point of NSA is to be accessible for everybody. When you catch a 95 to Birmingham and all of a sudden you're hearing 94 to Chelmsley Wood when you've barely left Nechells and still three/four stops to go, it's not on. There's no need to change your display at the lights at the middleway.
Drivers change it there due to the short drop back in city, and as soon as you arrive at the stand you are instantly loading - When I was on 94/95 I'd normally change it at the lights around masshouse lane. Only a few times when I was running very late, I'd change it if I got caught out my the lights at the middleway, cause they have a long sequence.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on October 22, 2024, 02:08:34 PMDrivers change it there due to the short drop back in city, and as soon as you arrive at the stand you are instantly loading - When I was on 94/95 I'd normally change it at the lights around masshouse lane. Only a few times when I was running very late, I'd change it if I got caught out my the lights at the middleway, cause they have a long sequence.
Changing it early wouldn't be an issue for a bus with no announcements. The bus goes the same route. A visually impaired passenger can ask for assistance and boarding passengers know the bus is going into the city Centre. However the announcements are there for a reason. If you can't see and your bus suddenly announces you're on a different bus going in the opposite direction, it would be most unsettling.
Quote from: 2206 on October 21, 2024, 08:20:57 PMI just caught 6948 on the 95. Announcements showing on the display but no audio as of yet.
6852 has the same problem tonight. No audio.
I'm still yet to see one working on the 94/95.
Quote from: 2206 on October 22, 2024, 06:14:29 PM6852 has the same problem tonight. No audio.
I'm still yet to see one working on the 94/95.
We don't want to be reminded of where we live, lol.
Quote from: 2206 on October 22, 2024, 06:14:29 PM6852 has the same problem tonight. No audio.
I'm still yet to see one working on the 94/95.
I had one the other day, hence my posts above about drivers changing their route prematurely.
Quote from: Gareth on October 21, 2024, 09:34:22 PMOne thing that doesn't help with NSA are routes that interwork where the driver changes the display far too early.
The whole point of NSA is to be accessible for everybody. When you catch a 95 to Birmingham and all of a sudden you're hearing 94 to Chelmsley Wood when you've barely left Nechells and still three/four stops to go, it's not on. There's no need to change your display at the lights at the middleway.
I don't work for NX but would of thought that the NSA work of the ticket machine and not the LED display
Quote from: Lukeee on October 22, 2024, 09:42:15 PMI don't work for NX but would of thought that the NSA work of the ticket machine and not the LED display
They are linked to the destination display
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2024, 09:47:30 PMThey are linked to the destination display
Everyday is a school day
Quote from: Gareth on October 21, 2024, 09:34:22 PMOne thing that doesn't help with NSA are routes that interwork where the driver changes the display far too early.
The whole point of NSA is to be accessible for everybody. When you catch a 95 to Birmingham and all of a sudden you're hearing 94 to Chelmsley Wood when you've barely left Nechells and still three/four stops to go, it's not on. There's no need to change your display at the lights at the middleway.
For some routes (e.g. the 23/4 which have the one way city loop), the driver can get away with changing it early, as the announcements for the one way loop work both inbound and outbound (e.g. Smallbrook Queensway works for the Bartley Green and Birmingham displays)
I was on a 74 earlier and the NSA seemed to get suck on 'Next Stop Lloyd House' going into City. Then they didn't work when it changed to 74 West Bromwich.
Also no audio again. 6808.
On a side note interesting that it says Lloyd House when the 16 has always said Snow Hill Queensway.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 29, 2024, 05:54:52 PMI was on a 74 earlier and the NSA seemed to get suck on 'Next Stop Lloyd House' going into City. Then they didn't work when it changed to 74 West Bromwich.
Also no audio again. 6808.
On a side note interesting that it says Lloyd House when the 16 has always said Snow Hill Queensway.
I caught 6808 on the 80 yesterday and they was working but they was very quiet so it was hard to hear them.
Quote from: Jack on October 29, 2024, 06:00:04 PMI caught 6808 on the 80 yesterday and they was working but they was very quiet so it was hard to hear them.
Nah it was literally silent on the 74 earlier. I can't even blame the chatter of the overcrowded bus!
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 29, 2024, 06:17:59 PMNah it was literally silent on the 74 earlier. I can't even blame the chatter of the overcrowded bus!
I know that, the bus was empty but I could just about hear them it was that silent.
E226 no audio
Passenger complaints on x10 the nsa is to quiet on buses that it works on
6756 announcements are near enough silent, can just hear them quietly mumbling.
E019 announcments audio not working
Noticed 6864 had working visual/audio NSA for 94/95, when I had it last night. Also when parked up, it worked for short journey dests.
Quote from: mesub on October 27, 2024, 10:05:16 PMFor some routes (e.g. the 23/4 which have the one way city loop), the driver can get away with changing it early, as the announcements for the one way loop work both inbound and outbound (e.g. Smallbrook Queensway works for the Bartley Green and Birmingham displays)
But I have noticed on the 82 and 87 inbound to Birmingham that if the driver changes it too soon after pulling away from the Charlotte Street stop - the last before the loop - if they're still within the GPS 'tolerance' for the stop, the system immediately thinks they're heading outbound. It then goes round the entire city loop showing next stop as Nelson Street.
Quote from: Smethwickian on November 03, 2024, 11:20:28 AMBut I have noticed on the 82 and 87 inbound to Birmingham that if the driver changes it too soon after pulling away from the Charlotte Street stop - the last before the loop - if they're still within the GPS 'tolerance' for the stop, the system immediately thinks they're heading outbound. It then goes round the entire city loop showing next stop as Nelson Street.
It's a technical limitation, but easily overcome with a bit of driver training. :smiley:
Quote from: Jack on October 21, 2024, 08:31:57 PM6719, 6724, 6735 and 6755.
6713 also doesnt seem to be working
Did the 49 get announcements recently, I thought the only routes that had NSA for YW was the 6
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 13, 2024, 12:52:07 PMDid the 49 get announcements recently, I thought the only routes that had NSA for YW was the 6
To my knowledge, every NXWM route now has announcements to comply with the new legislation surrounding them
Quote from: B7RLE on November 13, 2024, 04:11:50 PMTo my knowledge, every NXWM route now has announcements to comply with the new legislation surrounding them
No, they haven't completed that still. AG still only has the 5 with announcements.
do any WB routes have next stop announcements?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 13, 2024, 12:52:07 PMDid the 49 get announcements recently, I thought the only routes that had NSA for YW was the 6
Quote from: B7RLE on November 13, 2024, 04:11:50 PMTo my knowledge, every NXWM route now has announcements to comply with the new legislation surrounding them
Under the current legislation and its timescales, only vehicles first used after October 2019 are required to have working next-stop announcements. So at present that is all the electric and hydrogen vehicles.
YW previously only had NSAs on the 2, 3, 6 and 50 services. As their electrics will now be used on all other double-deck routes, they will have had to have them recorded for those services (18, 35, 49 and 76). Although they have older vehicles with the equipment installed, it makes sense to load them in as well, even though they legally didn't need to until next October.
Quote from: Jack on November 13, 2024, 04:36:59 PMNo, they haven't completed that still. AG still only has the 5 with announcements.
Correct, but it's not a priority right now, NSAs will need to be programmed by next October.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on November 13, 2024, 05:03:33 PMdo any WB routes have next stop announcements?
82 and 87 have always had them, being Platinum routes :rolleyes:
https://wmbu.org.uk/2024/05/the-next-stop-is-new-accessible-information-regulations-effective-from-october-2024/
QuoteNo, they haven't completed that still. AG still only has the 5 with announcements.
Has AG even done anything to do with announcments
Quote from: BBS on November 14, 2024, 01:19:47 PMHas AG even done anything to do with announcments
As I keep saying, their vehicles don't need to be compliant until October next year, so there is no rush for now.
The situation will change if any new vehicles get delivered.
Big breakthrough in my opinion as the AG 4 now has partial announcements, says next stop but doesn't say the rest of the announcement. Still I think it's great we finally have something.
7510 rode had fully working announcements with the Walsall announcer voice up until tyseley
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on December 04, 2024, 10:25:48 AMBig breakthrough in my opinion as the AG 4 now has partial announcements, says next stop but doesn't say the rest of the announcement. Still I think it's great we finally have something.
7510 rode had fully working announcements with the Walsall announcer voice up until tyseley
Some buses have none at all but that's to be expected
Of all the platinums I've been on in the last 2 weeks only one that I've seen working audio announcements was 6834 last Sunday, where they worked as far as Wright Road. Then after that there was no audio for the rest of the journey to the City Centre for some reason.
The others only had visual announcements and 6824 had national express West Midlands on the nsa displays.
Quote from: 2206 on December 07, 2024, 01:44:36 AMOf all the platinums I've been on in the last 2 weeks only one that I've seen working audio announcements was 6834 last Sunday, where they worked as far as Wright Road. Then after that there was no audio for the rest of the journey to the City Centre for some reason.
The others only had visual announcements and 6824 had national express West Midlands on the nsa displays.
Yeah, I've personally noticed this too, especially on the E400MMCs. I'm unsure if it's the stop-start that's breaking the NSAs, if there's a driver toggle to disable the audio part of the announcements (I doubt it) or if there's just purely a glitch software-wise. It does vary bus to bus. The most common issues I've seen is the announcements stopping mid-journey and just sticking to the same bus stop, alongside the issue where there's visual announcements but no audio ones. However, I have seen others too.
For example, I was on a 97A service to Birmingham on 7529 on Wednesday 4th. The announcements were broken the whole journey, having the generic "National Express West Midlands" text with the version number of the announcements. Then once it switched over to the 97 back to Chelmsley Wood, they worked as usual. It is a bit bizarre, given that the 97A has had announcements for a while.
I do understand it is probably extremely difficult to maintain the same announcements across an entire garage worth of buses. As I've mentioned before, I don't want to turn into someone constantly complaining about every single bus missing NSAs, but I do get that some heavily rely on these announcements working as intended. :smiley:
E195 on 907
The announcement says "nine zero seven", I'm sorry but I hope this gets changed, doesn't sound right at all!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 10, 2024, 07:26:42 AME195 on 907
The announcement says "nine zero seven", I'm sorry but I hope this gets changed, doesn't sound right at all!
Similarly pedants will say it's not an Oh. I agree it doesn't sound right, but it's a no win. Perhaps the service number needs changing :smiley:
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2024, 07:31:47 AMSimilarly pedants will say it's not an Oh. I agree it doesn't sound right, but it's a no win. Perhaps the service number needs changing :smiley:
To be honest the amount of times a 33 has beaten the 907 to Perry Barr on my journey home is a lot, maybe it could be renumbered 32
72 has NSA as well working on 7540
Along now with the 11, AG now has announcements for most of its routes. Works on 7510 really well.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 10, 2024, 07:26:42 AME195 on 907
The announcement says "nine zero seven", I'm sorry but I hope this gets changed, doesn't sound right at all!
How is it said on the 101?
Still so many with NSA that are completely silent and some which start off with sound and then cuts off part-route.
Honestly about 70% of the time i'm on 101 the NSA doesn't work at all.
Looks/sounds like the next stop announcements have been changed again.
Travelled on both E173 on the 8A, and 6943 on the 3 this evening.
The audio voice is now clearly computer generated, which is good as it means it should be easier to update stops when they get changed. But sounds less natural, though I suppose we'll all get used to it!
Added bonus is that there's no longer the 'double announcing' of stops.
On a side note, "8A to Inner Circle" doesn't quite sound correct really, and surely that could have been programmed just to say "8A Inner Circle".
Quote from: Stu on December 13, 2024, 10:42:04 PMLooks/sounds like the next stop announcements have been changed again.
Travelled on both E173 on the 8A, and 6943 on the 3 this evening.
The audio voice is now clearly computer generated, which is good as it means it should be easier to update stops when they get changed. But sounds less natural, though I suppose we'll all get used to it!
Added bonus is that there's no longer the 'double announcing' of stops.
On a side note, "8A to Inner Circle" doesn't quite sound correct really, and surely that could have been programmed just to say "8A Inner Circle".
Are you talking about the one that WMR use?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on December 14, 2024, 05:16:59 AMAre you talking about the one that WMR use?
I haven't mentioned WMR at all, I'm talking about NX Buses.
Quote from: Stu on December 13, 2024, 10:42:04 PMOn a side note, "8A to Inner Circle" doesn't quite sound correct really, and surely that could have been programmed just to say "8A Inner Circle".
I brought that up when I was programming them before they went into service. Apparently it is quite difficult to change because "This is a ...... to" is the same file for all routes with the service number dropped in the gap
Quote from: Stu on December 14, 2024, 10:13:41 AMI haven't mentioned WMR at all, I'm talking about NX Buses.
The announcements use the voice that Walsall use right?
QuoteThe announcements use the voice that Walsall use right?
What's a Walsall use?
Quote from: BBS on December 14, 2024, 11:24:21 AMWhat's a Walsall use?
The voice that is sometimes on Walsall routes.
He is on about the new, non elinor TTS voice.
2nd experience of the new robotic voice this evening on the X22 and it will definitely take some getting used to.
Slight difference from the 1st time I heard it on the 16, between the stop name and 16 to Great Barr it seemed to take an age even after the screen had changed whereas on the X22 it pretty much jumbled together "The Learning Hub X22 to Bartley Green" before the screen changed to say the latter. So maybe a few tweaks needed.
The only thing that annoyed me with the new announcement voice is that when I was on the 6 to Solihull recently, I've never known anyone to pronounce Solihull as "Soh-lee-hull", rather than "Sol-y-hull". It's a minor bug bear but if the computer-generated voice means that all routes can get announcements sooner then I can get behind that.
Quote from: SCS on December 16, 2024, 06:47:31 PMThe only thing that annoyed me with the new announcement voice is that when I was on the 6 to Solihull recently, I've never known anyone to pronounce Solihull as "Soh-lee-hull", rather than "Sol-y-hull". It's a minor bug bear but if the computer-generated voice means that all routes can get announcements sooner then I can get behind that.
Every time I've pronounced it "Sol-y-hull" I get accused of being posh.
Yardley Wood is now "Yaahdley Wood"! :rolleyes:
Pheasey is now 'Phay-say'.
Quote from: SCS on December 16, 2024, 06:47:31 PMThe only thing that annoyed me with the new announcement voice is that when I was on the 6 to Solihull recently, I've never known anyone to pronounce Solihull as "Soh-lee-hull", rather than "Sol-y-hull". It's a minor bug bear but if the computer-generated voice means that all routes can get announcements sooner then I can get behind that.
"So-lee-hull"is in fact the correct pronunciation - not "Solly-hull".
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 16, 2024, 10:47:55 PM"So-lee-hull"is in fact the correct pronunciation - not "Solly-hull".
No its not it sounds ridiculous, I never hear anyone besides the older generation say soleehull
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on December 16, 2024, 11:54:58 PMNo its not it sounds ridiculous, I never hear anyone besides the older generation say soleehull
Which says it all. If you're basing the correct pronunciation on how the younger generation say it, then it's almost certain to be wrong. I've honestly never heard of half the terms my teenage kids use.
Where do you stand on 'Shrewsbury'?
I'm 'Shrewsbury', rather than 'Shrowsbury'!
Quote from: Westy on December 17, 2024, 07:05:41 AMWhere do you stand on 'Shrewsbury'?
I'm 'Shrewsbury', rather than 'Shrowsbury'!
I'm with you on that
Quote from: Westy on December 17, 2024, 07:05:41 AMWhere do you stand on 'Shrewsbury'?
I'm 'Shrewsbury', rather than 'Shrowsbury'!
With you there, Can't wait for the Next Stop Announcements to try and pronounce say Wednesbury or Wednesfield pronounced to us as Wensfeild and Wensbre some say Wensbury, It's probably gonna break it up like you would teach a Todler To Wed Nes Feild or Wed Nes Bury.
And yes Older Generation are wrong my Grandad who is no longer with us taught me to say Birmingham like Bir Ming Ham rather than Birminum or as I say it Birmingum or just Brum for short. He taught me to say Wednesbury as I mentioned above, here's one to everyone thinks outside of the Black Country that Darlaston is pronounced Darl-Aston or Dar last on when it's actually just pronounced Darl uston or Dar lus ton. It featured on BBC Breakfast eairler this year with people saying how there Town was mispronounced a bloke from Darlo said how it was pronounced.
What annoyed me was the WN1 it was fine to Dudley or Wolverhampton saying "Paget Road 1 To Dudlee" she didn't have a regional accent and so I accept that's fine or "Paget Road 1 To Wolverhampton." But when the bus was going to Tettenhall Wood pronounced to most people as Tetnul or Tettenul the NSA said "Art Gallery 1 To Tett en Hall Wood" I could imagine on a 529 to Willenhall it probably pronounced it Will en Hall rather than as one word like Willenhall or Willenall or Willenul if you have a broader accent.
QuoteWith you there, Can't wait for the Next Stop Announcements to try and pronounce say Wednesbury or Wednesfield pronounced to us as Wensfeild and Wensbre some say Wensbury, It's probably gonna break it up like you would teach a Todler To Wed Nes Feild or Wed Nes Bury.
And yes Older Generation are wrong my Grandad who is no longer with us taught me to say Birmingham like Bir Ming Ham rather than Birminum or as I say it Birmingum or just Brum for short. He taught me to say Wednesbury as I mentioned above, here's one to everyone thinks outside of the Black Country that Darlaston is pronounced Darl-Aston or Dar last on when it's actually just pronounced Darl uston or Dar lus ton. It featured on BBC Breakfast eairler this year with people saying how there Town was mispronounced a bloke from Darlo said how it was pronounced.
What annoyed me was the WN1 it was fine to Dudley or Wolverhampton saying "Paget Road 1 To Dudlee" she didn't have a regional accent and so I accept that's fine or "Paget Road 1 To Wolverhampton." But when the bus was going to Tettenhall Wood pronounced to most people as Tetnul or Tettenul the NSA said "Art Gallery 1 To Tett en Hall Wood" I could imagine on a 529 to Willenhall it probably pronounced it Will en Hall rather than as one word like Willenhall or Willenall or Willenul if you have a broader accent.
So your expectations are that every announcement should repeat itself in every accent to match your expectations?
When all buses are using the new system am I right in assuming it will be easier to modify for future changes?
Not just the changes themselves, but once implemented would they change for all buses across the board or would you have to update each bus individually.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 16, 2024, 10:47:55 PM"So-lee-hull"is in fact the correct pronunciation - not "Solly-hull".
In all fairness, it's more of a personal thing. I've never personally heard the original pronunciation used by anyone that I've known, be it at school, university or at work. It's likely one of those things that one family says one way and another family says differently.
Again, it was a very small thing that I picked up. Regardless, it's nice to see NSAs on routes that didn't have them before (such as the 72). :grin:
Quote from: Westy on December 17, 2024, 07:05:41 AMWhere do you stand on 'Shrewsbury'?
I'm 'Shrewsbury', rather than 'Shrowsbury'!
Amwythig!
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 17, 2024, 11:18:54 AMWhen all buses are using the new system am I right in assuming it will be easier to modify for future changes?
Not just the changes themselves, but once implemented would they change for all buses across the board or would you have to update each bus individually.
It should be easier in that you don't have to wait for the voice artist to be available to make new recordings, when stops change name for example, or new stops get added.
Buses will still need to be updated individually when the programming changes.
Unless I'm completely mistaken and NX's whole system for playing NSAs has been changed!
WB only has announcements for 82 and 87 atm
Quote from: JahiemOnABus on December 18, 2024, 05:07:12 PMWB only has announcements for 82 and 87 atm
Disagree with that on certain buses they do have NSA for other routes such as the 80, 12A and 12.
Quote from: MSU2008 on December 19, 2024, 05:27:25 AMDisagree with that on certain buses they do have NSA for other routes such as the 80, 12A and 12.
Not anymore they reverted it
Quote from: MSU2008 on December 19, 2024, 04:02:05 PMWhen?
Been like this for over a month 82 and 87 has the old Elinor voice
Quote from: JahiemOnABus on December 19, 2024, 04:04:56 PMBeen like this for over a month 82 and 87 has the old Elinor voice
Don't think they have, tell me why 6813 has NSA for the 12 when I went on it on 05/12/2024
Quote from: MSU2008 on December 19, 2024, 05:00:26 PMDon't think they have, tell me why 6813 has NSA for the 12 when I went on it on 05/12/2024
Bro how u gonna tell me when I take the routes regularly. Genuinely all WB routes atm besides 82 and 87 don't have working nsa they display national express with numbers
Quote from: JahiemOnABus on December 19, 2024, 05:44:24 PMBro how u gonna tell me when I take the routes regularly. Genuinely all WB routes atm besides 82 and 87 don't have working nsa they display national express with numbers
Sure mate so do I, and on some of them they do have NSA. But nevermind, I don't want to cause an arguement so I'll agree with you
Quote from: MSU2008 on December 19, 2024, 05:27:25 AMDisagree with that on certain buses they do have NSA for other routes such as the 80, 12A and 12.
I use the 12s/13s regularly and haven't had any announcements on them for weeks.
Quote from: MSU2008 on December 19, 2024, 05:00:26 PMDon't think they have, tell me why 6813 has NSA for the 12 when I went on it on 05/12/2024
According to bustimes, 6813 was on the 80 all day on the 5th Dec.
Quote from: Mike K on December 17, 2024, 06:55:57 AMWhich says it all. If you're basing the correct pronunciation on how the younger generation say it, then it's almost certain to be wrong. I've honestly never heard of half the terms my teenage kids use.
Agreed! As a Solihull resident myself I think I know how most locals pronounce it.
QuoteAgreed! As a Solihull resident myself I think I know how most locals pronounce it.
So you pronounce it as SOH-LEE-HULL
Quote from: frostjay974 on December 19, 2024, 07:51:26 PMAccording to bustimes, 6813 was on the 80 all day on the 5th Dec.
Bruv did I ask you, I meant the 4th and anyways on certain buses the NSA works.
I said to the guy who I was having the conversation with I said I'll agree with him as I don't want to cause an arguement. You are just furthering the conversation to try and start an arguement for a conversation you were never involved in.
Quote from: BBS on December 19, 2024, 11:06:02 PMSo you pronounce it as SOH-LEE-HULL
Yes, I do.
I've searched the web for backing on this. Some years back there was an advert promoting the town which went "So-lihull: the difference is pronounced". Can I find it online now? No.
But the site www.emmasaying.com does get the pronunciation right.
I guess I'd better leave it there before I'm criticised for going off too much off subject. And anyway I don't get worked up about it!
Quote from: MSU2008 on December 20, 2024, 05:22:00 AMBruv did I ask you, I meant the 4th and anyways on certain buses the NSA works.
I said to the guy who I was having the conversation with I said I'll agree with him as I don't want to cause an arguement. You are just furthering the conversation to try and start an arguement for a conversation you were never involved in.
I wasn't trying to start an argument I was just stating an observation that is relevant to this topic if anything you are the one who is coming across as confrontational and also this is a public forum.
Quote from: MSU2008 on December 20, 2024, 05:22:00 AMBruv did I ask you, I meant the 4th and anyways on certain buses the NSA works.
I said to the guy who I was having the conversation with I said I'll agree with him as I don't want to cause an arguement. You are just furthering the conversation to try and start an arguement for a conversation you were never involved in.
Quote from: JahiemOnABus on December 19, 2024, 05:44:24 PMBro how u gonna tell me when I take the routes regularly. Genuinely all WB routes atm besides 82 and 87 don't have working nsa they display national express with numbers
Quote from: frostjay974 on December 20, 2024, 04:16:15 PMI wasn't trying to start an argument I was just stating an observation that is relevant to this topic if anything you are the one who is coming across as confrontational and also this is a public forum.
Gentlemen, tis the season of goodwill to all men so lets put an end to this pointless bickering now.
heard the new nsa for the first time on the "one zero one" today, it's godawful* lol
*i'm not saying it should be replaced or dismissing why it was changed, just stating that the voice doesn't sound nice to me
Quoteheard the new nsa for the first time on the "one zero one" today, it's godawful* lol
*i'm not saying it should be replaced or dismissing why it was changed, just stating that the voice doesn't sound nice to me
Lets be honest, does anyone even like it
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2024, 07:31:47 AMSimilarly pedants will say it's not an Oh. I agree it doesn't sound right, but it's a no win. Perhaps the service number needs changing :smiley:
Quote from: jasmine on December 20, 2024, 07:26:11 PMheard the new nsa for the first time on the "one zero one" today, it's godawful* lol
I know there's no 'definitive authority' on how route numbers should be pronounced, so what follows is just my opinion.
I've always known it that route numbers under 100 were just pronounced as they are, eg 16 = "sixteen" or 49 = "forty-nine".
Over 100, it was accepted to pronounce the numbers individually, like 126 ="one-two-six", or 229 = "two-two-nine". There were odd exceptions though, like the old 120 was the "one-twenty", rather than the "one-two-oh". And yes, I think most people would pronounce a 0 in a route number as "oh" rather than "zero".
"Nine-oh-seven" seems to flow more naturally when spoken, as opposed to "nine-zero-seven".
As a comparison, let us not forget that secret agent James Bond 007 was "double-oh-seven" after all, not "double-zero-seven" or even "zero-zero-seven"! :grin:
My dad and brother were on the 50 the other day, and the pronounciation of Alcester Street was like Aster Street. Was happy with the female voice that pronounced it as us Brummies say it All-ses-ter.
Rea Street is no longer a stop, so no mispronounciation there.
Quote from: darthdc on December 22, 2024, 05:27:20 PMMy dad and brother were on the 50 the other day, and the pronounciation of Alcester Street was like Aster Street. Was happy with the female voice that pronounced it as us Brummies say it All-ses-ter.
Rea Street is no longer a stop, so no mispronounciation there.
That's a debatable one to be honest. Thinking about other place names that end in -cester and their pronunciation, like Worcester ("Wooster"), Gloucester ("Glosster") and Leicester ("Lesster"), that would be correct, Alcester = "Allster".
Or maybe its just me! :rolleyes:
Been on a few different buses recently where the NSA system wasn't working, with 6912 being the latest one this evening, on the 2 to Maypole.
It appears that the system has 'crashed' shortly after startup, because the time is frozen, in the case of 6912 just now it was stuck at 06:14 while displaying the date and version number.
The time is about correct for when the bus was first powered up this morning, before starting the day doing the 06:31 journey on the 3 to Birmingham.
Quote from: Stu on December 31, 2024, 06:02:50 PMBeen on a few different buses recently where the NSA system wasn't working, with 6912 being the latest one this evening, on the 2 to Maypole.
It appears that the system has 'crashed' shortly after startup, because the time is frozen, in the case of 6912 just now it was stuck at 06:14 while displaying the date and version number.
The time is about correct for when the bus was first powered up this morning, before starting the day doing the 06:31 journey on the 3 to Birmingham.
I usually find that if it happens on a vehicle I'm driving when I get to my outer terminus I usually isolate it and leave it a few minutes before I turn the bus back on. However some are stubborn and refuse to reboot until randomly I will be driving along then all of a sudden I will hear "X12 to Birmingham"
Heard the announcments on the 11C today, overall not bad, the new voice isn't too bad on some routes, maybe mifht cause confusion in pronunciation but other than that not bad
6935 NSAs ridiculously quiet, can't make out what it's saying
Had 6941 on pn 6 today and it has got working NSA for the route
Quote from: B7RLE on January 05, 2025, 02:09:59 PM6935 NSAs ridiculously quiet, can't make out what it's saying
Further into the journey, going to add to this: aircon has came off so I can hear it better. Sometimes it gets it right, but sometimes it says "Next" instead of "Next Stop", and as for the route I've heard it all...
X10 to Merry Hill
X10 to Hill
X10 Merry Hill
X10
X to Merry Hill
Think it's a bit broken :D
Quote from: B7RLE on January 05, 2025, 02:30:06 PMFurther into the journey, going to add to this: aircon has came off so I can hear it better. Sometimes it gets it right, but sometimes it says "Next" instead of "Next Stop", and as for the route I've heard it all...
X10 to Merry Hill
X10 to Hill
X10 Merry Hill
X10
X to Merry Hill
Think it's a bit broken :D
Bus not got air con
Seems like the NSA bug has been fixed on BC,AG routes, all announcements working with no half way shut offs
Quote from: BBS on January 09, 2025, 10:46:11 PMSeems like the NSA bug has been fixed on BC,AG routes, all announcements working with no half way shut offs
New problem now, as I was riding the 4A yesterday the announcement jumps straight to saying '4A to...' as soon as it says the stop name when the bus is at that stop. So for example jacey road it would stop there say Jacey road and there would be no delay in saying '4A to ...' whereas before there would be maybe a 2 or 3 second delay before saying the route number.
7533 says the next stop but doesn't announce anything upon reaching the stop or the route and number, then carries on to the next stop afterwards.
I noticed an anomaly on 6884 on X21 the other evening, all robotic apart from when it said 'Marston Road' in the old voice. Reminded me of the old Harborne network NSAs with their mixture of voices on stops like Serpentine Road.
Also, the Shenley Academy stop still hasn't been fixed despite the fact that the stop was moved forward on Long Nuke Road ages ago, likewise the Shenley Fields Centre inbound stop on Woodcock Lane was moved forward slightly so no doubt that one is out of sync too.
QuoteNew problem now, as I was riding the 4A yesterday the announcement jumps straight to saying '4A to...' as soon as it says the stop name when the bus is at that stop. So for example jacey road it would stop there say Jacey road and there would be no delay in saying '4A to ...' whereas before there would be maybe a 2 or 3 second delay before saying the route number.
I've reconised that, not too worrying though, as long as it works
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 10, 2025, 07:17:25 AMReminded me of the old Harborne network NSAs with their mixture of voices on stops like Serpentine Road
Serpentine Road - for the number 11 outer circle!
There were next stop announcements on 6796 on WN 15A this morning. This is the first time I have heard any next stop announcements on WN services 15/15A/16. Before now, all we've had is smoke signals!
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 10, 2025, 07:17:25 AM7533 says the next stop but doesn't announce anything upon reaching the stop or the route and number, then carries on to the next stop afterwards.
I've encountered this before, I believe it's caused by some faulty door sensor which affects the logic programming of the announcement sequences.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2025, 07:37:44 PMI've encountered this before, I believe it's caused by some faulty door sensor which affects the logic programming of the announcement sequences.
Yeah I suspected it may have something to do with the doors.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 10, 2025, 07:17:25 AM7533 says the next stop but doesn't announce anything upon reaching the stop or the route and number, then carries on to the next stop afterwards.
7516 going one step further, not changing to just the stop name on approaching/reaching the stop and completely silent.
7506,7540 audible announcments do not work. 6702s announcments only work downstairs
Travelled on E244 late on Thursday afternoon.
Was nice to finally travel on a 76 with working next-stop announcements! (both visual and audio)
Only feedback I can provide is that I think there needs to be a bit more of a 'pause' between announcing the stop name, then the route/destination, when the bus has called at a stop.
It might be hard to put into words, but it sounded like reading the following sentence in one go without punctuation:
"Robin Hood Island Seventy-Six to Solihull station"
Quote from: Stu on February 01, 2025, 07:42:34 PMTravelled on E244 late on Thursday afternoon.
Was nice to finally travel on a 76 with working next-stop announcements! (both visual and audio)
Only feedback I can provide is that I think there needs to be a bit more of a 'pause' between announcing the stop name, then the route/destination, when the bus has called at a stop.
It might be hard to put into words, but it sounded like reading the following sentence in one go without punctuation:
"Robin Hood Island Seventy-Six to Solihull station"
It's the same for all announcements there's no delay
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on February 01, 2025, 08:37:02 PMIt's the same for all announcements there's no delay
That's not true, don't have this on the 2 and 3.
QuoteIt's the same for all announcements there's no delay
Wrong, 7540 has it perfectly, only to stop working at widney manor. The 6 also has it good, Wolverhampton and pensnett routes too.
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2025, 10:42:58 AMThat's not true, don't have this on the 2 and 3.
Oh, thought it was for all of them.
Quote from: Stu on February 01, 2025, 07:42:34 PMTravelled on E244 late on Thursday afternoon.
Was nice to finally travel on a 76 with working next-stop announcements! (both visual and audio)
Only feedback I can provide is that I think there needs to be a bit more of a 'pause' between announcing the stop name, then the route/destination, when the bus has called at a stop.
It might be hard to put into words, but it sounded like reading the following sentence in one go without punctuation:
"Robin Hood Island Seventy-Six to Solihull station"
Yes I mentioned this further up about the X22 where it effectively jumbled into one quick sentence, but it has since been rectified, certainly on the X21, X22 and 23 anyway. Can't speak for the other BC routes.
Just a quick one. I don't often get on plats on the 14 but when I do some of them have the announcements and others don't. I know that on some buses they don't work but do the drivers have to put them on?
Quote from: busboydan on February 02, 2025, 06:59:16 PMJust a quick one. I don't often get on plats on the 14 but when I do some of them have the announcements and others don't. I know that on some buses they don't work but do the drivers have to put them on?
They're connected to the destination blinds on the bus.
Quote from: 2206 on February 02, 2025, 07:09:21 PMThey're connected to the destination blinds on the bus.
Thank you
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 02, 2025, 03:29:47 PMYes I mentioned this further up about the X22 where it effectively jumbled into one quick sentence, but it has since been rectified, certainly on the X21, X22 and 23 anyway. Can't speak for the other BC routes.
61 has this issue too from what I heard travelling on both 6853 & 7518 on the 23rd January. Did have 7519 home the following week but the driver forgot to change the blind to Frankley so NSA was stuck in Priory Queensway so I'm not sure if it is rectified there as well.
Quote from: TGZac on February 02, 2025, 09:22:14 PMdriver forgot to change the blind to Frankley so NSA was stuck in Priory Queensway
Slightly related:
I can't remember which one it was that I drove a few weeks ago, but for some reason was stuck on the frankley terminus until i isolated the bus - was very strange, never had it like that before.
Noticed on 6823 that all of the NSA for Bristol Road Services (61/63) are the new announcements except for South Road on the 63
Shouldn't the 4 say "4 to Solihull Station" like the X2 and X12? Not something major but the 4s final destination is the station
I noticed earlier tonight while on 4883 as 6887 passed on Nechells Parkway it had "the X13 crosses into the NX Outer Zones area" on the next stop announcement display.
Didn't realize there was a custom announcement for wheelchair users boarding. Sounds like the London announcement for it
Quote from: 2206 on February 12, 2025, 12:40:18 AMI noticed earlier tonight while on 4883 as 6887 passed on Nechells Parkway it had "the X13 crosses into the NX Outer Zones area" on the next stop announcement display.
Do any other garages have anything similar, because theorectically Walsall ought to have them for the X51 on current vehicles & the 8 ought to have them for future upgrades?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on February 22, 2025, 12:50:52 PMDidn't realize there was a custom announcement for wheelchair users boarding. Sounds like the London announcement for it
All of the platinums have it, as far as I know, they don't work on all of them. I got to use it today on 6875.
6996 announces the next stop but doesn't do anything else
One from an 'old friend' of ours (well some of us anyway!), via Twitter!
Great Wyrley & Cheslyn Hay Community Group
@nxwestmidlands
Hi guys just to let you know the next stop announcement on X51 is wrong its skipping Oak Avenue and Oakenhayes Farm in Great Wyrley/Landywood. Also, it announces "nBus not valid beyond this stop" at Ferndown Close however TfWM state New Masons Arms is the border
Quote from: Westy on March 10, 2025, 05:18:19 PMOne from an 'old friend' of ours (well some of us anyway!), via Twitter!
Great Wyrley & Cheslyn Hay Community Group
@nxwestmidlands
Hi guys just to let you know the next stop announcement on X51 is wrong its skipping Oak Avenue and Oakenhayes Farm in Great Wyrley/Landywood. Also, it announces "nBus not valid beyond this stop" at Ferndown Close however TfWM state New Masons Arms is the border
It appears Ferndown Close is the last TFWM flag on the route the following stop is a Staffordshire CC one. So the announcements are probably correct I would imagine?
I believe the same applies in Water Orton where Orchard Nurseries is the final TFWM flag.
Quote from: 2206 on March 10, 2025, 06:46:59 PMIt appears Ferndown Close is the last TFWM flag on the route the following stop is a Staffordshire CC one. So the announcements are probably correct I would imagine?
I believe the same applies in Water Orton where Orchard Nurseries is the final TFWM flag.
Perhaps someone at TFWM ought to check their information?
(Slightly off topic, but I wish Staffs CC & NX would allow the Knot to be purchased at a TFWM stop, if you are going into Staffs without breaking your journey. If I want a day out in Staffs via Cannock, it's going to cost me £12, £5 for the outer zone & £7 for the Knot day ticket.)