https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/1529570950421267/?type=3&theater
East brmingham?
It's Walsall boys and girls
Quote from: karl724223 on May 19, 2017, 06:18:51 PM
It's Walsall boys and girls
They need to start fo using on the brum area more. Walsall already has the low fare zone
Quote from: Jack D on May 19, 2017, 05:50:49 PM
East brmingham?
Quote from: karl724223 on May 19, 2017, 06:18:51 PM
It's Walsall boys and girls
I would think that it is highly likely that something will be introduced for the East Birmingham area at some point.
This simply expands on the current offering in Sandwell & Dudley area.
Makes sense make the cuts in the area to make the initiative stake up all will be revealed 11 tomorrow is it or next week
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 20, 2017, 09:57:30 AM
Makes sense make the cuts in the area to make the initiative stake up all will be revealed 11 tomorrow is it or next week
Tomorrow.
I think this new Walsall zone is a good idea. I can see a Wolverhampton low fare zone coming in the not so distant future as well if I'm honest. We'll have to wait and see.
It should be East Birmingham because of the changes they giving people a cheaper alternative
Quote from: Jack D on May 20, 2017, 08:40:05 PM
It should be East Birmingham because of the changes they giving people a cheaper alternative
Well it's Walsall.
Who told you?
Anyone know which area this is for? ;)
No one knows until 11am tomorrow.
Quote from: Jack D on May 20, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
No one knows until 11am tomorrow.
I think most of us know that it's Walsall.
Who told you
Quote from: Jack D on May 20, 2017, 10:49:48 PM
Who told you
The various posters above, including one bus driver.
How do u know there's not more areas with the new stay local all will be revealed tomorrow
Didnt Walsall have a low fare zone before & they axed it?
Quote from: Solo1 on May 20, 2017, 11:28:41 PM
How do u know there's not more areas with the new stay local all will be revealed tomorrow
Because it's
A new low-fare zone. Not new low fare zones.
Wait until 11 and you'll see that it's Walsall.
Quote from: Dom on May 20, 2017, 10:19:28 AM
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I can see a Wolverhampton low fare zone coming in the not so distant future as well if I'm honest.
Likewise, I could imagine Solihull too. ???
Quote from: Dom on May 21, 2017, 07:38:31 AM
Because it's A new low-fare zone. Not new low fare zones.
Wait until 11 and you'll see that it's Walsall.
As was said, it's Walsall.
http://nxbus.co.uk/walsall
Confirmed: it's Walsall.
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/posts/1531512313560464:0
Can someone in the know tell me the last stop that the S&D tickets can be used on the 81 please? Wolverhampton bound.
I believe it's clifton st by gorge (A463)road as the the last bus stop in dudley on the 81 towards Wolverhampton
Quote from: Dom on May 21, 2017, 01:31:18 PM
Can someone in the know tell me the last stop that the S&D tickets can be used on the 81 please? Wolverhampton bound.
Exactly
@Dom , the maps aren't exactly self explanatory.
I get the fact that the new Walsall zone goes as far as West Brom, Scott Arms and Pheasey, but seems a tad strange that it actually says it's valid on the 5 between them. Not gonna lie I'm grateful and I think people in Great Barr will be equally so because they missed out when the Sandwell boundary cut them out, but on that front it would be nice to have included the whole of the 46 through Hamstead, ah well
Intriguing to note that Walsall tickets are valid to West Bromwich, but Sandwell tickets aren't valid to Walsall!
Also isn't the Newton Road(or parts of!) classed as Sandwell, so the Walsall availability on the 5 & 46 should be valid on Dudley Sandwell tickets as well?
That's how both maps look to me.
Quote from: Westy on May 27, 2017, 11:57:35 PM
Also isn't the Newton Road(or parts of!) classed as Sandwell, so the Walsall availability on the 5 & 46 should be valid on Dudley Sandwell tickets as well?
Exactly my point - yes Sandwell officially includes that large chunk of Hamstead and three corners of the Scott Arms junction, also Yew Tree just beyond Tame Bridge station on the 45 is cut out if you want to go on technicalities
Perhaps
@Tony or someone could explain the differences?
New Area announced tomorrow - Wolverhampton maybe??
Quote from: Chris on June 03, 2017, 09:07:51 AM
New Area announced tomorrow - Wolverhampton maybe??
No, not Wolverhampton
Quote from: Chris on June 03, 2017, 09:07:51 AM
New Area announced tomorrow - Wolverhampton maybe??
Hopefully the Quinton area included.
Be surprised if its Birmingham , as they've never had their own area ticket have they?
Its always been regional tickets there as far as I remember.
It's east Birmingham
Quote from: John on June 03, 2017, 09:09:16 AM
No, not Wolverhampton
East Birmingham maybe?
The changes take place tomorrow.
It is east birmingham
Love to see the validity map for that one!
Why not just make it all Birmingham to allivate confusion?
Quote from: Westy on June 03, 2017, 05:22:27 PM
Love to see the validity map for that one!
Why not just make it all Birmingham to allivate confusion?
Would it run to solihull to placate all those poor perhaps now have to change buses?
I'll bet it won't include the city centre and that certain people will try it on there anyway
Does this mean that child week savers wont be avalible for £5.50?
http://nxbus.co.uk/localdaysaverjune17
Quote from: pndriver on June 03, 2017, 05:27:05 PM
An unprecedented level of consultation?! Why is that?
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 04, 2017, 11:48:40 AM
An unprecedented level of consultation?! Why is that?
Most likely due to the amount of negative comments & reactions to the East Birmingham changes
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 04, 2017, 11:48:40 AM
An unprecedented level of consultation?! Why is that?
Because the perception is that the East Birmingham consultation wasn't sufficiently publicised or participated in. And that the end result only benefitted NX Bus, rather than the passengers.
I think all future consultations should be the responsibility of TfWM, not NX Bus.
Quote from: Stu on June 04, 2017, 11:58:19 AM
Because the perception is that the East Birmingham consultation wasn't sufficiently publicised or participated in. And that the end result only benefitted NX Bus, rather than the passengers.
I think all future consultations should be the responsibility of TfWM, not NX Bus.
So you want a franchised service then?
OMG!!!!!!!!!! I'm in shock east Brum getting more attention wow!!!!!!!
60% of the way to 94 getting buses under 15 years old soon surely.
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2017, 12:01:51 PM
So you want a franchised service then?
No, what I meant was that it should be TfWM who carry out the consultation and then work with operators through the Bus Alliance to implement any changes. The Bus Alliance is a waste of time if one operator is going to make wholesale changes without other operators being involved.
We now have a situation where NX's 55 and 94 services don't follow the same route as Claribel's competing services, to name one example.
Quote from: Stu on June 04, 2017, 12:06:55 PM
No, what I meant was that it should be TfWM who carry out the consultation and then work with operators through the Bus Alliance to implement any changes. The Bus Alliance is a waste of time if one operator is going to make wholesale changes without other operators being involved.
We now have a situation where NX's 55 and 94 services don't follow the same route as Claribel's competing services, to name one example.
The East Birmingham changes have been implemented by NX purely for commercial reasons, nothing to do with TfWM & the Bus Alliance
Quote from: Stu on June 04, 2017, 12:06:55 PM
No, what I meant was that it should be TfWM who carry out the consultation and then work with operators through the Bus Alliance to implement any changes. The Bus Alliance is a waste of time if one operator is going to make wholesale changes without other operators being involved.
We now have a situation where NX's 55 and 94 services don't follow the same route as Claribel's competing services, to name one example.
Isn't that the whole point of deregulation? There is no benefit whatsoever in two operators chasing each other down identical routes. The fact two operators are now providing different services should be of benefit. What are you saying? TfWM carry out consultation and if they concluded for example that the 94 missing out Cooks Lane benefitted more passengers then Claribels should have been forced to do the same as NXWM?
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2017, 12:19:06 PM
Isn't that the whole point of deregulation? There is no benefit whatsoever in two operators chasing each other down identical routes. The fact two operators are now providing different services should be of benefit. What are you saying? TfWM carry out consultation and if they concluded for example that the 94 missing out Cooks Lane benefitted more passengers then Claribels should have been forced to do the same as NXWM?
There can be a benefit of operators operating similar/the same routes to provide competition and enhance service quality/price competitiveness. I do agree about operators being in charge of their own networks as opposed to the dangerous fantasy that bus franchising would improve services.
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2017, 12:19:06 PM
Isn't that the whole point of deregulation? There is no benefit whatsoever in two operators chasing each other down identical routes. The fact two operators are now providing different services should be of benefit. What are you saying? TfWM carry out consultation and if they concluded for example that the 94 missing out Cooks Lane benefitted more passengers then Claribels should have been forced to do the same as NXWM?
Not a case of forcing anyone to do anything. Claribels weren't involved in this consultation, as Steveminor has previously confirmed. If they had been, they would have at least had an opportunity to put their case forward, and they may well have agreed to change their route. If no mutual agreement could be reached, then one of the operators would have to register their route as a 'variant', eg 94A. That would then benefit passengers, as there would be some clarity for them, instead of having two operators running the same service number along different routes.
This is what I thought the whole point of the Bus Alliance was, to have operators working together in partnership for the benefit of passengers, without the need for services to be regulated.
Quote from: Stu on June 04, 2017, 01:15:02 PM
Not a case of forcing anyone to do anything. Claribels weren't involved in this consultation, as Steveminor has previously confirmed. If they had been, they would have at least had an opportunity to put their case forward, and they may well have agreed to change their route. If no mutual agreement could be reached, then one of the operators would have to register their route as a 'variant', eg 94A. That would then benefit passengers, as there would be some clarity for them, instead of having two operators running the same service number along different routes.
This is what I thought the whole point of the Bus Alliance was, to have operators working together in partnership for the benefit of passengers, without the need for services to be regulated.
Clarity for passengers should be paramount, but don't forget for a fair amount of time (only until quite recently in fact) Claribels and NX had different routes for the 94 around the Smiths Wood area, and still these days the Diamond 71 is different to the NX 71 round Castle Vale, but all still the same route numbers
East Brum area doesn't include the Airport - that'll piss people off with the changes to the 97
If the consultation had have involved all operators im sure together we may have come up with some different solutions to tge network which may have benefited everyone better.
I do agree about routes that go a different way should have a different number i.e nx decide to go a different way to our 94 & use the same number as we do when i believe it should have used 94A & yet their 72 goes the same way as sunny travel 71e & uses a different number. Thats what desperately needs addressing.
Quote from: Steveminor on June 04, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
If the consultation had have involved all operators im sure together we may have come up with some different solutions to tge network which may have benefited everyone better.
I do agree about routes that go a different way should have a different number i.e nx decide to go a different way to our 94 & use the same number as we do when i believe it should have used 94A & yet their 72 goes the same way as sunny travel 71e & uses a different number. Thats what desperately needs addressing.
I agree the original route should keep old number new route should have a new number. Same with the nx 4H and diamond 4H. Good job diamond repainted therir b7rles blue
Who should have the rights to the particular number?
National Express as the longest established operator for the area, from Council /Corparation days?
The other operator, as they are staying on the original route?
What is TfWM's view, or don't they give a monkey's as usual?
Whoever changes the route should change the number
Quote from: Steveminor on June 04, 2017, 04:39:39 PM
Whoever changes the route should change the number
Agreed, especially in this sort of case when someone else still runs the original
We could always ask Andy Street to sort it.
It would be nice for him to have something to justify his existence, considering he's done b#gger all else so far...
Be fun in the morning when the Rover Workers from North Chelmsley are trying to get to work sure they will be happy to get turfed off the bus at Chelmsley Wood to wait for a connection. These changes seem to be ill thought out and as said it would have been of more value to the travelling public include Claribels in the equation. Wonder what the reduction in PVR is?
Apparently their isn't one / any
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 04, 2017, 08:11:18 PM
Apparently their isn't one / any
Maybe the amount of Tridents that have recently gone into reserve/withdrawn is an indication of what the saving is.
On the 94s today, and it seems like some drivers are still not issuing the £3 daysaver. Had a woman get on at Auckland Drive saying the driver in front had not let her get a ticket even though she had put her money in, even though it was plastered all over the bus stop. She didn't look like she was trying it on, so I gave her the daysaver. I don't know why some drivers are still not issuing them
That is P8ss poor and leaflets with wrong info lol
Something new coming in the next week.
Quote from: Dom on June 15, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
Something new coming in the next week.
I thought the idea was to simplify fares / fare structures?
There now seems to be more options than ever....
Would love to see fare like in Italy where you travel up to 75 minutes
Quote from: Winston on June 15, 2018, 10:49:20 AM
I thought the idea was to simplify fares / fare structures?
There now seems to be more options than ever....
It does seem overly complicated. I was thinking about something like two daysavers along the lines of the train pass where you could get zones 1 to 5 for everything or zones 2 to 5 where you don't need the city would simply things and possibly achieve the same thing.
@Dom You said something new what is it ???
Quote from: Jack D on June 27, 2018, 05:58:19 PM
@Dom You said something new what is it ???
Can't say what until my company announces it. There's just been a small hiccup which has delayed it.
Quote from: Dom on June 27, 2018, 05:59:52 PM
Can't say what until my company announces it. There's just been a small hiccup which has delayed it.
When are the stay local nBus products been announced? I thought they should be in circulation by now.
Quote from: Straightlines on June 27, 2018, 07:56:49 PM
When are the stay local nBus products been announced? I thought they should be in circulation by now.
A soft launch is due in the next week or so
@metrocity Soft Launch???/ Explain
Quote from: Jack D on June 27, 2018, 08:52:47 PM
@metrocity Soft Launch???/ Explain
The product is due to be rolled out onto ETMs very shortly although marketing activities are not likely to kick in until a few weeks after
Quote from: metrocity on June 27, 2018, 09:20:27 PM
The product is due to be rolled out onto ETMs very shortly although marketing activities are not likely to kick in until a few weeks after
Sounds like the South Birmingham review is also getting a 'soft launch' then.
I can only see the nBus product becoming weaker and weaker with the substantial reduction in competition over the last few years and the gulf in price between NXWMs product and the TfWM one.
The fact you can now have contactless paperless capping on NX also unfortunately makes this a more attractive product to Customers who will find themselves a Daysaver user by default.
Just another recycled idea taken from NXWM then...
Quote from: V89MOA on June 28, 2018, 12:25:47 PM
Just another recycled idea taken from NXWM then...
Here comes Mr. Critical yet again.
Another idea? Explain further....
Quote from: V89MOA on June 28, 2018, 12:25:47 PM
Just another recycled idea taken from NXWM then...
You should take some time to read the 2011 Competition Commission report (now known as the CMA) which investigated competition in the Local Bus Service market in the UK. Then you will see why this idea has been 'recycled'
Quote from: Dom on June 28, 2018, 12:29:20 PM
Here comes Mr. Critical yet again.
Another idea? Explain further....
NXWM launch off peak daysavers - tfwm launch off peak Nbus
NXWM launch local and area daysavers - tfwm launch local Nbuses...
The tail is wagging the dog!
Quote from: V89MOA on June 28, 2018, 01:43:09 PM
NXWM launch off peak daysavers - tfwm launch off peak Nbus
NXWM launch local and area daysavers - tfwm launch local Nbuses...
The tail is wagging the dog!
And before you start with that there is a reason as mentioned by MetroCity
Quote from: Dom on June 28, 2018, 02:15:12 PM
And before you start with that there is a reason as mentioned by MetroCity
Yes master.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/tickets-and-passes/nbus-low-fare-zones/
Quote from: metrocity on August 01, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/tickets-and-passes/nbus-low-fare-zones/
Any reason why on the Walsall map, part of the Turnberry Estate in Bloxwich is not valid?
Quote from: Westy on August 01, 2018, 10:20:24 PM
Any reason why on the Walsall map, part of the Turnberry Estate in Bloxwich is not valid?
Some other interesting omissions around Brownhills as well. Also I notice the Sandwell and Dudley zone has missed out Great Barr again but somehow also misses out Kinver (part of the NWM area) while including Hagley (never been part of the NWM area)
Quote from: Kevin on August 02, 2018, 08:19:13 AM
Some other interesting omissions around Brownhills as well. Also I notice the Sandwell and Dudley zone has missed out Great Barr again but somehow also misses out Kinver (part of the NWM area) while including Hagley (never been part of the NWM area)
Weirdly, the 79 route from Bilston up to West Bromwich seems to be covered, except for the short branch off the main road up to the Asda in Darlaston. There's also the fact that Smethwick is also omitted, despite being a part of Sandwell.
Quote from: StourValley98 on August 02, 2018, 09:33:54 PM
Weirdly, the 79 route from Bilston up to West Bromwich seems to be covered, except for the short branch off the main road up to the Asda in Darlaston. There's also the fact that Smethwick is also omitted, despite being a part of Sandwell.
Smethwick isnt included in the NX version either!
Are SLPL day tickets sold at "SALE" price (post June 2019) if bought using Swift PAYG?
NXWM don't mention a price difference - nothing about a different price if using Swift.
https://nxbus.co.uk/paylocal
"On bus" day ticket price is £3.
Yet NWM say the NXWM ticket is £3.40 "when you buy this ticket with Swift PAYG credit on National Express Bus" - but £3 (SALE Price) "when you buy this ticket On National Express Bus"
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/tickets/#/ticket/876
The nBus version is £3.70 on Swift PAYG but £3.30 (SALE) on a NX Bus.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/tickets/#/ticket/872
Why does Wolverhampton not have a SLPL Zone?
Wolverhampton is the smallest Borough in the County, yet to venture to/from city centre to the city suburbs, or across the city, you pay the highest fares in the County.
Day travel:
Cost of travel in Wolverhampton is £4.60 compared to just £3 across the border in neighbouring Walsall; a borough that is 1.5 times bigger than Wolverhampton.
Regular commuters:
Walsillians are charged £456 p/a (monthly SLPL DD @ £38) for their travels around a 40 miles2 area + Bilston & West Brom Bus Stations, but Wulfrunians pay £634.80 p/a (Black Country Monthly DD @ £52.90) to travel shorter distances within a city borough no bigger than 26.8 miles2.
Therefore Wulfrunians pay £178.80 p/a more (+39.2%) to travel across a Borough that is 2/3 the size of Walsall or 1/2 of the size of the Sandwell and Dudley SLPL Zone, to gain access to a NX Bus network that provides travel solutions in the West of the city, for journeys between 0.8 - 1.3 miles, that are quicker to walk in 15-45mins during working hours BEFORE you take congestion into consideration.
Is this "fare"?
Why should people living and commuting to work/shop in Wolverhampton, have to pay for a ticket that gives them access to places as far away as Hednesford?
What use is a ticket to Hednesford, when you spend 5 days a week commuting 3.5 miles to work in Wolverhampton city centre?
A bus only trip to Hednesford, once in a while, is better served on a Day Saver. Walsillians can pay for a ticket that does not cover travel to Perton or Halesowen. So why can't Wulfrunians be treated the same – in the ONLY city NX Bus boast on the sides of their buses they are so "proud to support"?
There is no such gloating on the sides of NX Buses in Walsall or Dudley – where residents in those boroughs are able to travel distances twice as far as in Wolverhampton for 2/3 the price.
Why can't people living in the NW of the County have a choice of ticket that matches their actual travel needs: SLPL or Black Country or WM County?
How far along the Darlaston Road are the Walsall area tickets?
Assuming the company I work for does not have another bright idea & move me to another depot, I was considering changing from a Nbus Black Country to a cheaper pass.
(I work at James Bridge)
Quote from: wulfrun on August 21, 2019, 10:19:08 PM
Why does Wolverhampton not have a SLPL Zone?
Wolverhampton is the smallest Borough in the County, yet to venture to/from city centre to the city suburbs, or across the city, you pay the highest fares in the County.
Day travel:
Cost of travel in Wolverhampton is £4.60 compared to just £3 across the border in neighbouring Walsall; a borough that is 1.5 times bigger than Wolverhampton.
Regular commuters:
Walsillians are charged £456 p/a (monthly SLPL DD @ £38) for their travels around a 40 miles2 area + Bilston & West Brom Bus Stations, but Wulfrunians pay £634.80 p/a (Black Country Monthly DD @ £52.90) to travel shorter distances within a city borough no bigger than 26.8 miles2.
Therefore Wulfrunians pay £178.80 p/a more (+39.2%) to travel across a Borough that is 2/3 the size of Walsall or 1/2 of the size of the Sandwell and Dudley SLPL Zone, to gain access to a NX Bus network that provides travel solutions in the West of the city, for journeys between 0.8 - 1.3 miles, that are quicker to walk in 15-45mins during working hours BEFORE you take congestion into consideration.
Is this "fare"?
Why should people living and commuting to work/shop in Wolverhampton, have to pay for a ticket that gives them access to places as far away as Hednesford?
What use is a ticket to Hednesford, when you spend 5 days a week commuting 3.5 miles to work in Wolverhampton city centre?
A bus only trip to Hednesford, once in a while, is better served on a Day Saver. Walsillians can pay for a ticket that does not cover travel to Perton or Halesowen. So why can't Wulfrunians be treated the same – in the ONLY city NX Bus boast on the sides of their buses they are so "proud to support"?
There is no such gloating on the sides of NX Buses in Walsall or Dudley – where residents in those boroughs are able to travel distances twice as far as in Wolverhampton for 2/3 the price.
Why can't people living in the NW of the County have a choice of ticket that matches their actual travel needs: SLPL or Black Country or WM County?
This is one of the things that does baffle me too.
There is no denying that the stay local pay local is great value for those who only travel within the permitted areas however it almost seems unfair that you can travel from Stourbridge to West Bromwich for example for less than a return trip from Quinton to Halesowen.
Quote from: wulfrun on August 21, 2019, 10:19:08 PM
Why does Wolverhampton not have a SLPL Zone?
Wolverhampton is the smallest Borough in the County, yet to venture to/from city centre to the city suburbs, or across the city, you pay the highest fares in the County.
Day travel:
Cost of travel in Wolverhampton is £4.60 compared to just £3 across the border in neighbouring Walsall; a borough that is 1.5 times bigger than Wolverhampton.
Regular commuters:
Walsillians are charged £456 p/a (monthly SLPL DD @ £38) for their travels around a 40 miles2 area + Bilston & West Brom Bus Stations, but Wulfrunians pay £634.80 p/a (Black Country Monthly DD @ £52.90) to travel shorter distances within a city borough no bigger than 26.8 miles2.
Therefore Wulfrunians pay £178.80 p/a more (+39.2%) to travel across a Borough that is 2/3 the size of Walsall or 1/2 of the size of the Sandwell and Dudley SLPL Zone, to gain access to a NX Bus network that provides travel solutions in the West of the city, for journeys between 0.8 - 1.3 miles, that are quicker to walk in 15-45mins during working hours BEFORE you take congestion into consideration.
Is this "fare"?
Why should people living and commuting to work/shop in Wolverhampton, have to pay for a ticket that gives them access to places as far away as Hednesford?
What use is a ticket to Hednesford, when you spend 5 days a week commuting 3.5 miles to work in Wolverhampton city centre?
A bus only trip to Hednesford, once in a while, is better served on a Day Saver. Walsillians can pay for a ticket that does not cover travel to Perton or Halesowen. So why can't Wulfrunians be treated the same – in the ONLY city NX Bus boast on the sides of their buses they are so "proud to support"?
There is no such gloating on the sides of NX Buses in Walsall or Dudley – where residents in those boroughs are able to travel distances twice as far as in Wolverhampton for 2/3 the price.
Why can't people living in the NW of the County have a choice of ticket that matches their actual travel needs: SLPL or Black Country or WM County?
You make some valid points, but equally the same could be said for the people of Birmingham, particularly those who live within the Outer Circle limits. One can travel from Longbridge to Sutton Coldfield on a £3 Local Daysaver (obviously using the 11A/C Outer Circle to skirt around the city), but that doesn't help those who live in places like Moseley, Edgbaston, Saltley, Aston or Nechells for example.
Quote from: Stu on August 22, 2019, 08:08:25 PM
You make some valid points, but equally the same could be said for the people of Birmingham, particularly those who live within the Outer Circle limits. One can travel from Longbridge to Sutton Coldfield on a £3 Local Daysaver (obviously using the 11A/C Outer Circle to skirt around the city), but that doesn't help those who live in places like Moseley, Edgbaston, Saltley, Aston or Nechells for example.
I doubt many people would make a journey that long by bus anyway, even less would by talking a longer route and going around the outside of the City Centre on the 11. Most will go the quickest way.
Lots of people on the 11 travel for short trips e.g. Acocks Green to Yardley, Yardley to Fox and Goose, etc. Probably most people as well.
Quote from: 2206 on August 22, 2019, 08:15:02 PM
I doubt many people would make a journey that long by bus anyway, even less would by talking a longer route and going around the outside of the City Centre on the 11. Most will go the quickest way.
Lots of people on the 11 travel for short trips e.g. Acocks Green to Yardley, Yardley to Fox and Goose, etc. Probably most people as well.
I'm well aware of that. You're missing the point that I was making, in that the comments being made about Wolverhampton apply equally to Birmingham, with the exception of the suburbs beyond the A4040 covered by the Local Daysaver.
Quote from: Stu on August 22, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
I'm well aware of that. You're missing the point that I was making, in that the comments being made about Wolverhampton apply equally to Birmingham, with the exception of the suburbs beyond the A4040 covered by the Local Daysaver.
You could probably say the same for some of the passengers travelling out of Solihull on the 72/X12/X2 if they are only going as far as Damsonwood, Old Lode Lane, Land Rover or the Wheatsheaf. But presumably not every area can have discounted fares.
Quote from: sonic84 on August 22, 2019, 07:29:39 PM
This is one of the things that does baffle me too.
There is no denying that the stay local pay local is great value for those who only travel within the permitted areas however it almost seems unfair that you can travel from Stourbridge to West Bromwich for example for less than a return trip from Quinton to Halesowen.
Indeed the £4 return from Halesowen to Quinton is way too steep in my opinion.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 22, 2019, 09:30:57 PM
Indeed the £4 return from Halesowen to Quinton is way too steep in my opinion.
Only £3 to Quinton Church.
Quote from: Dom on August 22, 2019, 09:33:42 PM
Only £3 to Quinton Church.
Again a stupid rule, what about if I wanted to go 3 stops further? Hollybush etc?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 22, 2019, 09:35:11 PM
Again a stupid rule, what about if I wanted to go 3 stops further? Hollybush etc?
I presume you haven't noticed that all over the country on all forms of travel there's rising scales based on distance
Quote from: Tony on August 22, 2019, 10:02:19 PM
I presume you haven't noticed that all over the country on all forms of travel there's rising scales based on distance
West Bromwich is much further than a few stops past Quinton church.