New fares for people who only travel in Sandwell and Dudley
Adult daysaver £3.00
Child daysaver £1.50
Adult weekly ticket from driver £10.00
Child weekly ticket from driver £5.00
From Sunday 12th Feb
As usual, it seems plenty of notice has been given about this.
And is there a map to show exactly where Sandwell & Dudley ends or is it a new kind of guessing game?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 09, 2017, 09:04:48 PM
As usual, it seems plenty of notice has been given about this.
And is there a map to show exactly where Sandwell & Dudley ends or is it a new kind of guessing game?
Why do you need advance notice of a fares reduction?
Yes there is a map
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2017, 09:07:41 PM
Why do you need advance notice of a fares reduction?
Yes there is a map
So it doesn't matter that people will get on the bus on Monday wanting a daysaver and will put more money than needed into the box because they didn't know that fares had been reduced??
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 09, 2017, 09:11:30 PM
So it doesn't matter that people will get on the bus on Monday wanting a daysaver and will put more money than needed into the box because they didn't know that fares had been reduced??
Agreed thieving people! Can't seem to stop advertising the £8 ticket though
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
Agreed thieving people! Can't seem to stop advertising the £8 ticket though
Oh here we go again.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
Agreed thieving people! Can't seem to stop advertising the £8 ticket though
Slightly strongly worded
@Trident 4194 , but the fact to me is it needed advertising earlier.
After all this is GOOD NEWS, fares are being reduced and hopefully it should encourage more people to use the bus in these areas.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 09, 2017, 09:20:34 PM
Slightly strongly worded @Trident 4194 , but the fact to me is it needed advertising earlier.
After all this is GOOD NEWS, fares are being reduced and hopefully it should encourage more people to use the bus in these areas.
Where is this map then?
Does seem a bit odd that the marketing and PR teams wouldn't be shouting about these things well in advance. Reminds me of how shit my marketing team are when I'm preparing a presentation for Tesco head office lol
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
Where is this map then?
why you get lost outside Halesowen bus station
Quote from: karl724223 on February 09, 2017, 09:31:21 PM
why you get lost outside Halesowen bus station
No merry hill/ Dudley ;)
How is that relevant anyway
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
Agreed thieving people! Can't seem to stop advertising the £8 ticket though
Daft comment of the day. How is reducing the fare thieving? People paying more into a farebox then needed is not theft, I would be more inclined to say certain companies (like your favourite) who give change but have drivers who say they don't have any to give you when paying a fare, is much closer to theft and I work for such a company.
Also, because the fare zone is a certain area only it would be more trouble to plaster adverts over them advertising these fares as buses running into other areas would have passengers in those areas thinking their fares were reducing too! Therefore, it makes sense to me to limit advertising in this instance.
Quote from: j789 on February 09, 2017, 09:39:42 PM
Daft comment of the day. How is reducing the fare thieving? People paying more into a farebox then needed is not theft, I would be more inclined to say certain companies (like your favourite) who give change but have drivers who say they don't have any to give you when paying a fare, is much closer to theft and I work for such a company.
Also, because the fare zone is a certain area only it would be more trouble to plaster adverts over them advertising these fares as buses running into other areas would have passengers in those areas thinking their fares were reducing too! Therefore, it makes sense to me to limit advertising in this instance.
Limit the advertising yes, but at the moment, for instance on the website, no mention of this happening.
As for you first comment, if you deliberately put more money into the farebox than needed, then that is your problem, however if you put more money into the box after not being told the fare has reduced then that is another thing. Obviously it is not practical to ask every single passenger where they are going, would cause chaos, that is why some advertising is needed.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 09, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
Limit the advertising yes, but at the moment, for instance on the website, no mention of this happening.
As for you first comment, if you deliberately put more money into the farebox than needed, then that is your problem, however if you put more money into the box after not being told the fare has reduced then that is another thing. Obviously it is not practical to ask every single passenger where they are going, would cause chaos, that is why some advertising is needed.
He didn't mention deliberately putting more money in the fare box, he means giving operators like Diamond who are supposed to give changes but odd drivers don't, claiming they have none to pocket the overs
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2017, 10:28:34 PM
He didn't mention deliberately putting more money in the fare box, he means giving operators like Diamond who are supposed to give changes but odd drivers don't, claiming they have none to pocket the overs
Yes but really we are not discussing Diamond here, I have seen what they do and I find it a disgusting trick and how there management let them get away with it!! Sorry, am going to upset people with my comment now, but Diamond should install fareboxes like everyone else and little
tricks cons like that could be prevented.
My argument here
@Tony is the fact that on Sunday/Monday and quite a few days after that, you are going to get people putting money into the farebox that they shouldn't have, because fares have been reduced at what seems a moments notice and without advertising. This could have been the chance for National Express to get some great good publicity, but all i fear now is the customer service people being snowed under by people contacting them to say "I never knew you had reduced the fares, can I have my money back"!
Forgive the silly question. Is there a link to the map or more information on this please ?
Can't seem to find anything on NX website ?
Thanks,
NXWM have confirmed on twitter that it is launching next week to those still a bit skeptical
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 10, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
NXWM have confirmed on twitter that it is launching next week to those still a bit skeptical
No you asked them as if what you had read on here was fiction. Don't think an NX member of staff would make this up to be honest. Why can't people just accept it and be happy they're being offered cheaper fares.
I swear some people on here would complain even if they could catch buses for free!
This is news to me no mention of it in garage, so does this mean the Sandwell and Dudley daysaver only valid in this area if so what a nonsense what's stopping somebody traveling to Birmingham with it.
Quote from: Dom on February 10, 2017, 09:59:52 AM
No you asked them as if what you had read on here was fiction. Don't think an NX member of staff would make this up to be honest. Why can't people just accept it and be happy they're being offered cheaper fares.
I swear some people on here would complain even if they could catch buses for free!
Seems I had pissed in your cornflakes. Sorry I had spoken. I won't bother next time.
I was only asking on behalf of the skeptics, confirming things. I bet your the kind of person who believes the viewpoint of the BBC, as opposed to questioning everything you see on the news
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 10, 2017, 10:18:54 AM
as opposed to questioning everything you see
Like parking tickets
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 10, 2017, 10:18:54 AM
Seems I had pissed in your cornflakes. Sorry I had spoken. I won't bother next time.
I was only asking on behalf of the skeptics, confirming things. I bet your the kind of person who believes the viewpoint of the BBC, as opposed to questioning everything you see on the news
Except there are certain things you can believe. I.e A Pensnett driver explaining a S&D low fare zone, why would he lie about it?!
Quote from: 2900 on February 10, 2017, 10:13:28 AM
This is news to me no mention of it in garage, so does this mean the Sandwell and Dudley daysaver only valid in this area if so what a nonsense what's stopping somebody traveling to Birmingham with it.
Exactly the same things stopping them using it beyond the area that currently stops idiots using the short hop ticket for long distance...
ie nothing beyond honesty
This is what the Managing Director has to say about it in his weekly newsletter
This weekend, we're introducing a bold new promotion in Sandwell & Dudley, creating a new local daysaver for just three pounds. There's also a local weekly ticket which we'll sell on bus and via our app, making it easier than ever to become a regular bus user.
The aim of this promotion is to get occasional travellers making more trips, and encourage new people to try us.
We're supporting this with the biggest marketing campaign we've ever done in that part of the network - on social media, bus stops, vehicles, online and in the press.
If these promotions and price cuts work we'll roll out similar deals across the business.
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2017, 10:28:34 PM
He didn't mention deliberately putting more money in the fare box, he means giving operators like Diamond who are supposed to give changes but odd drivers don't, claiming they have none to pocket the overs
First West of England offer change tickets so if a driver doesn't have the change you get a ticket for that amount which can be either refunded at a travel shop or used as part payment of a future fare. Is this commonplace across the network?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on February 10, 2017, 07:03:31 PM
First West of England offer change tickets so if a driver doesn't have the change you get a ticket for that amount which can be either refunded at a travel shop or used as part payment of a future fare. Is this commonplace across the network?
We don't have these at First Midland Red (Midlands) currently.
Map of area covered is attached
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2017, 07:33:35 PM
Map of area covered is attached
Excellent. So if i am on the 126 to Wolves, what is the last stop i can use it to???
To the stop before Shaw road I believe where Wolverhampton starts
Also the £1.50 short hop fare is coming back from start of service currently starts after 0930
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 10, 2017, 08:34:19 PM
To the stop before Shaw road I believe where Wolverhampton starts
It'll be the Roseville, Bank Street stop I'd imagine.
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2017, 07:33:35 PM
Map of area covered is attached
Interesting choice of M5 as a boundary. I imagine a lot of people using the 5 and 46 to Scott Arms (still in Sandwell) being a bit miffed that it isn't valid
@Kevin The m5 is used for bthe Black Country faresaver boundary also
Quote from: Chris on February 11, 2017, 11:25:33 AM
@Kevin The m5 is used for bthe Black Country faresaver boundary also
But does include this bit of Sandwell.
What stop is the 255 Boundary? Wall Heath?
Quote from: bususer12 on February 11, 2017, 07:26:35 PM
What stop is the 255 Boundary? Wall Heath?
Looking at the map that Tony posted on the previous page, the 205/255 boundary is Blaze Park Turning Circle and the 256 is Wall Heath Church.
Now on the website
http://nxbus.co.uk/paylocal
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2017, 10:51:44 AM
Now on the website
http://nxbus.co.uk/paylocal
Thanks, someone should have proof-read this first though:
QuoteWe've disocunted the price
;D
Quote from: Stu on February 12, 2017, 11:23:57 AM
Thanks, someone should have proof-read this first though:
;D
Whoops, naughty word in there ;) ;) ;)
Question to drivers: are these tickets valid yet? I'm pretty sure a woman showed a weekly or monthly ticket and the driver made her pay? Are they available to buy, but not for use yet? Driver said something about next week. Woman said she wants her money back.
Also people still putting £1.90 in for short hop, at least driver told them next time it's £1.50.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 14, 2017, 06:21:07 PM
Question to drivers: are these tickets valid yet? I'm pretty sure a woman showed a weekly or monthly ticket and the driver made her pay? Are they available to buy, but not for use yet? Driver said something about next week. Woman said she wants her money back.
Also people still putting £1.90 in for short hop, at least driver told them next time it's £1.50.
I caught the first X96 to merry hill this morning and a regular passenger got on and the driver asked before he put the money are you travelling within Dudley and Sandwell and the guy responded to Wednesbury. The driver then informed him of the new Dudley and Sandwell daysaver
If of any interest, 6104 is plastered in three offside window ads.
Quote from: clayderman on February 17, 2017, 04:26:20 PM
If of any interest, 6104 is plastered in three offside window ads.
Quite a few buses now plastered in the window ads, I often thought windows on buses were to look through!!!
Quote from: clayderman on February 17, 2017, 04:26:20 PM
If of any interest, 6104 is plastered in three offside window ads.
Every PN bus has them? Could have been a bit more creative
The one Walsall driver on the 11 the other day was up to speed.
How does it work with garages other than Pensnett & West Bromwich.
Is it in that 'options' menu?
The B'ham Mail have picked up on the fact that people from the Black Country will be paying less to travel as opposed to people from B'ham:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/national-express-west-midlands-reduce-12623288
Quote from: Winston on February 20, 2017, 12:21:31 AM
The B'ham Mail have picked up on the fact that people from the Black Country will be paying less to travel as opposed to people from B'ham:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/national-express-west-midlands-reduce-12623288
QuoteIt comes around a fortnight after NXWM increased prices across the board
Huh? ???
Love the pictures half arsed local journalism, TWM livery buses long since vanished , £3.60 day-saver
They also miss the point that in previous years, people in Birmingham have been able to travel for as little as a £1 for a distance that in Dudley or Stourbridge would have cost £2.30 in peak hours or £1.90 off peak.
A lot of journeys in the Black Country tend to be shorter than journeys within Birmingham as well just on the basis of the towns being smaller.
A journey from the outskirts of West Bromwich, Dudley, Walsall or Wolverhampton into the Town Centre is generally only about 3 miles, whereas a lot of journeys into Birmingham can be 6 or 7 miles.
Are the Mail going to complain a taxi ride from Oldbury to West Bromwich is cheaper than one from Longbridge to Birminghyam?
This Sandwell and Dudley is annoying to say the least, people of smethwick keep asking for £3 daysaver I tell them the M5 motorway is the boundary these muppets don't listen or look at the notes drivers have been given, driver driver smethwick is part of Sandwell. I,m gona sue the bus company for trade descriptions, be my guest I say.
Then you have people buying the £3 daysaver in Oldbury and then travel into smethwick and beyond I have explained to few when I,ve got time those tickets not valid in the Birmingham regional zone, if the revenue inspectors see it you,ll receive a fine.
Quote from: 2900 on March 01, 2017, 08:55:37 AM
This Sandwell and Dudley is annoying to say the least, people of smethwick keep asking for £3 daysaver I tell them the M5 motorway is the boundary these muppets don't listen or look at the notes drivers have been given, driver driver smethwick is part of Sandwell. I,m gona sue the bus company for trade descriptions, be my guest I say.
Not gonna lie, I knew some people would try that on, in Great Barr as well, customer knows better and all that
Quote from: 2900 on March 01, 2017, 08:55:37 AM
This Sandwell and Dudley is annoying to say the least, people of smethwick keep asking for £3 daysaver I tell them the M5 motorway is the boundary these muppets don't listen or look at the notes drivers have been given, driver driver smethwick is part of Sandwell. I,m gona sue the bus company for trade descriptions, be my guest I say.
Then you have people buying the £3 daysaver in Oldbury and then travel into smethwick and beyond I have explained to few when I,ve got time those tickets not valid in the Birmingham regional zone, if the revenue inspectors see it you,ll receive a fine.
I think we all knew it was going to be abused
If we,re to have fare zones why not call Birmingham regional area zone 1orA , Sandwell and Dudley zone 2 or B etc etc , London style
Some large maps should be displayed on all buses showing the fare zones would be a good idea. Why not cover up another window 😀
Quote from: 2900 on March 02, 2017, 11:45:26 AM
Some large maps should be displayed on all buses showing the fare zones would be a good idea. Why not cover up another window 😀
or perhaps some special branding to advertise the new tickets, that could cover up the front windows upstairs!
Are the £11 weekly tickets buyable from driver?
Quote from: Trident4590 on March 05, 2017, 04:32:08 PM
Are the £11 weekly tickets buyable from driver?
Yes they are.
Are the £1 child add on tickets valid with the £11 weekly?
Could notices be put on running boards to notify drivers?
Quote from: Tony on February 20, 2017, 01:32:11 PM
A lot of journeys in the Black Country tend to be shorter than journeys within Birmingham as well just on the basis of the towns being smaller.
A journey from the outskirts of West Bromwich, Dudley, Walsall or Wolverhampton into the Town Centre is generally only about 3 miles, whereas a lot of journeys into Birmingham can be 6 or 7 miles.
Are the Mail going to complain a taxi ride from Oldbury to West Bromwich is cheaper than one from Longbridge to Birminghyam?
Exactly Tony today I travelled From Wednesbury to West Bromwich nd the journey was about 1 and half 2 miles.
Quote from: BusFan94 on August 04, 2017, 08:16:28 PM
Exactly Tony today I travelled From Wednesbury to West Bromwich nd the journey was about 1 and half 2 miles.
Its actually 3 miles.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/52.5520203,-2.0241761/West+Bromwich/@52.5336552,-2.0505009,13z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870978802d5650b:0x5da3785b1d85460f!2m2!1d-1.995159!2d52.517664!3e0
Quote from: 2206 on August 04, 2017, 08:20:14 PM
Its actually 3 miles.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/52.5520203,-2.0241761/West+Bromwich/@52.5336552,-2.0505009,13z/am=t/data=!3m1!4b1!4m9!4m8!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870978802d5650b:0x5da3785b1d85460f!2m2!1d-1.995159!2d52.517664!3e0
It might have been 3 and 1/4 miles from Wooden Road West I must have saw 1 and half miles in Hilltop or Carters Green
News coming about this ticket on 3rd September
Quote from: karl724223 on September 01, 2017, 12:34:20 AM
News coming about this ticket on 3rd September
Huh, interesting. Price increase, I guess? Or maybe they'll actually make it cover the rest of Sandwell... ;D
Quote from: karl724223 on September 01, 2017, 12:34:20 AM
News coming about this ticket on 3rd September
It's being withdrawn
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 03, 2017, 10:42:18 PM
It's being withdrawn
Are you sure about that? It's past the 3rd September now and I've heard nothing about it being withdrawn.
Extended across Brum as well.
Does it mean its valid on the 11 as that's the perimeter then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 07, 2017, 05:57:03 PM
Extended across Brum as well.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 15, 2017, 08:01:07 PM
Does it mean its valid on the 11 as that's the perimeter then?
The Birmingham 11 does not enter the Sandwell and Dudley low fare zone area!
The local Daysaver is valid on the 11 though. They both cover completly different areas.
Sandwell and Dudley low fare zone area - http://nxbus.co.uk/paylocal
Local Daysaver area - http://nxdudley.oneblackbear.com/files/2017-09/local-daysaver-map-september.jpg
If the local Daysaver wasn't valid on the 11, then wouldn't it not be included in the map?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 15, 2017, 08:01:07 PM
Does it mean its valid on the 11 as that's the perimeter then?
Bearwood isn't on the map. Though it's the border of Sandwell and Brum you think it would be included for the other routes, e.g. The 49 and 82. Though apparently Bearwood isn't part of Sandwell, neither is Hamstead, NX assume.
Well this will put the cat amongst the pigeons!
Those of you who follow NX on Facebook will have noticed the thread about the local Daysavers.
It appears, despite the map saying otherwise, that the Sandwell & Dudley Daysavers are not valid into Bilston, according to whoever answers the Facebook queries.
Hope NX have good lawyers
@Tony !
In all seriousness, this debacle needs sorting out & soon!
In my opinion, these boundaries need looking at, for example Bilston is in Wolverhampton, but is included in the Dudley/Sandwell & the Walsall areas, when they shouldn't be, along with West Bromwich to Walsall journeys being included in the Walsall area, but not in the Sandwell area, & journeys on the 529 should go up to the Portabello roundabout, where the Walsall boundary is & not just Willenhall centre.
If Nx want to include certain areas outside the borough boundary, then, in the case of Walsall, why not include the Cannock journeys on the X51 & Burntwood on the 10, as it's highly unlikely NX are going to extend past those points anyway.
(Also if there is ever a Wolves version, then Codsall, Perton, & the entire 54 & 154 should be included as well!)